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shoeking2102 said:
I swear i'm not making excuses for DJ's poor free throw shooting but people really are attacking this as if it's simple fix. We really got people saying that DJ should be a better free throw shooter because 10 year olds can shoot from 15 feet.

That mindset represents that comes with the fallacy behind how the fan approaches free throw shooting. 

"Why can't he shoot free throws well? I see my son shoot free throws well every saturday at the park" as if it's that simple. 
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technically you were making excuses for DJ...
 
MoNeyLiCiouS said:
 
DJ's form aint even that bad. Like previously stated, i just dont think he's practicing the right way.

As a shooter, the most important thing is to understand the mechanics of your shot. So you can fix whatever the issue is when you miss. DJ doesnt look like he understands.
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Doesn't look like he understands? How did you gather that he "looks" like he doesn't understand? From how he looks on television?

Also, when you're 27 years of age, changing your form is extremely hard, and radical.
 
nickmaz96 said:
You can shoot 85% in an empty gym but what happens when the bright lights are on you with the game on the line & there's 30,000 people in the arena? What happens to your confidence when you shoot 30+ FT's & miss 23 of em?

FT shooting is 50% mental. If you go to the line shook you're probably gonna miss both.
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then it sounds like u shouldnt be working on form but mental fortitude. one way or another... work harder. cuz what ur doing aint it. 
shoeking2102 said:
 
So what do you suggest he do to try and fix it? 

He's working with the best of the best and is still terrible.

Dwight is working the best of the best and is still terrible. 

It's not a simple fix and while he could (and some would argue should be a better free throw shooter) stand to become a better free throw shooter, it's not as easy as saying "work harder," or "work smarter" you know? 
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dwight worked with the best of the best to learn footwork, aint do diddly squat for em. worked wonders for kobe tho. dwight notorious for laziness. im more willing to believe theyre not giving it their all, than they have a ceiling lower than the overwhelming majority of everyone in the nba.
 
NBA Players that hit less than 60% from the FT line get no respect fam sorry. They get paid to practice in the gym 8-12 hours a day, dream job right there.

Here's a Rick Barry gem

Hall of Famer Rick Barry shot free throws underhand. Barry, who played his college ball at the University of Miami, is the only person to lead the NCAA, the NBA and the American Basketball Association in scoring. He shot his free throws granny-style at a career clip of 89 percent.

”It seems rather ludicrous that people can’t shoot 80 percent,” Barry said. “You’re not a good free-throw shooter if you don’t shoot 80 percent. It’s the same ball, the same basket, the same distance. It’s ridiculous.”

Barry attacks the topic of free throws with the same aggressive flair that made him a Hall of Famer. He led the ABA in free-throw percentage three out of the four years he played in the league. He was the NBA’s most accurate free-throw shooter five times and ranks second on the NBA’s all-time free-throw percentage list (90 percent) behind Mark Price (90.4 percent). So, Barry knows his free throws.

”There’s no art to the free throw,” Barry said. “You’re just doing something fundamental. It’s a repetitive motion. The astonishing thing to me is to see these people who don’t have a routine.”

Barry’s underhand routine: “Three bounces, hands on the ball at the same time, relax and take a breath and shoot the shot. Every time. It enables you to not think about winning or losing the game. The focus is on the routine and not the enormity of the situation.”
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There has been supposition that taller players such as O’Neal and Wallace are at a free-throw disadvantage. Their height puts them closer than other players to the height of the basket and therefore they tend to not put enough arc on the ball.

Barry once helped a teammate, George Johnson of the Golden State Warriors, improve his free-throw percentage by nearly 20 percentage points by having him shoot underhand. ”That’s a pretty good indication that it works,” Barry said.
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If anything, it shows that DJ is mentally weak. Quite obvious in his flip flopping from the Mavs to Clips during the summer
 
friscostylez said:
technically you were making excuses for DJ...
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If it sounds that way, than so be it. 

But honestly, think about it. This is the same shooting coach that has transformed BG into a reputable shooter, and you're expecting him to change the shooting coach. That's radical man. 

All I'm saying is that DJ's free throw shooting goes beyond "working Smarter," and "working harder." I'll leave it at that.
 
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MoNeyLiCiouS said:
 
DJ's form aint even that bad. Like previously stated, i just dont think he's practicing the right way.

As a shooter, the most important thing is to understand the mechanics of your shot. So you can fix whatever the issue is when you miss. DJ doesnt look like he understands.
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Doesn't look like he understands? How did you gather that he "looks" like he doesn't understand? From how he looks on television?

Also, when you're 27 years of age, changing your form is extremely hard, and radical.
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Yah, from television. Are you telling me...that in person, he looks like he gets it to you? Because you have seen him at practice right?
 
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

not saying dude isn't a good shooting coach but he def not the shooting coach for DJ, perfect for blake tho
 
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We need to take this whole FT convo and just put it on pause.

It wasn't due for re-discussion until atleast ASB.
 
See man,

Y'all talking about DJ's mental fortitude from how he looks on Television. As if y'all are qualified to assess what goes through someone's mind, from television.

As if y'all have the credentials to assess someone's mental stability / instability when he's performing...from television.

Y'all got it.

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shoeking2102 said:
See man,

Y'all talking about DJ's mental fortitude from how he looks on Television. As if y'all are qualified to assess what goes through someone's mind, from television.

As if y'all have the credentials to assess someone's mental stability / instability when he's performing...from television.

Y'all got it.

:lol:
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not sure whether this is directed at me but most people would agree that basketball is mental and physical. if DJ worked as hard and smart on his ft shooting as you claimed then another reason might be mental, right? not sure why you think it's a reach
 
you're in your feelz capin for DJ bro
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 With your logic, NTers shouldnt be here on a forum talking like they have the credentials to assess professional basketball from watching TV from home?

We all watching from home, famb.
 
MoNeyLiCiouS said:
 
Yah, from television. Are you telling me...that in person, he looks like he gets it to you? Because you have seen him at practice right?
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I'm not telling you that. 

I'm telling you not come to conclusions about someone's mental stability or instability based upon what you see on Television. 

Come on man, he lacks the mental fortitude because he "looks" like he doesn't get it? Reallyyyy?
 
If Enes Kanter, Dirk, Porzingis, Roy Hibbert clumsy ***, and other 7 footers can hit FTs at a respectable rate, DJ can hit 60% at least.

Even Shaq shot 62% one year, no excuses, stop the caping
 
eddiengambino said:
If Enes Kanter, Dirk, Porzingis, Roy Hibbert clumsy ***, and other 7 footers can hit FTs at a respectable rate, DJ can hit 60% at least.

Even Shaq shot 62% one year, no excuses, stop the caping
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Logic, 

Because one person does it means someone else can do it.

I'm caping, but this is the logic that you're using. 

Got it man lol
 
shoeking2102 said:
See man,

Y'all talking about DJ's mental fortitude from how he looks on Television. As if y'all are qualified to assess what goes through someone's mind, from television.

As if y'all have the credentials to assess someone's mental stability / instability when he's performing...from television.

Y'all got it.

:lol:
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People are throwing out fixes for DJ's FT shooting like they're new ideas. :lol: The Clippers have paid a bunch of different "shot doctors" a lot of money to trying and get his FT shooting better. I'm willing to bet that they have recommended and/or had him do pretty much everything that has been mentioned on this board today. And yet he's still a 40% FT shooter (although I think he might be over 50% for his last 10 games or something like that). If a bunch of experts over like 8 years time haven't been able to help him, it kind of makes me think there is no magic solution and he's just never going to be a good free throw shooter.
 
shoeking2102 said:
 
MoNeyLiCiouS said:
 
Yah, from television. Are you telling me...that in person, he looks like he gets it to you? Because you have seen him at practice right?
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I'm not telling you that. 

I'm telling you not come to conclusions about someone's mental stability or instability based upon what you see on Television. 

Come on man, he lacks the mental fortitude because he "looks" like he doesn't get it? Reallyyyy?
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bro...i never said he lacked mental fortitude or nothing like that. I have no clue what goes on in his mind. I never claimed to. I even said, his shot doesnt look that bad. I just think he doesnt 'get it', in reference to his shot mechanics.
 
MoNeyLiCiouS said:
bro...i never said he lacked mental fortitude or nothing like that. I have no clue what goes on in his mind. I never claimed to. I even said, his shot doesnt look that bad. I just think he doesnt 'get it', in reference to his shot mechanics.
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I "get" shot mechanics but my form is still all over the place :frown:
 
friscostylez said:
not sure whether this is directed at me but most people would agree that basketball is mental and physical. if DJ worked as hard and smart on his ft shooting as you claimed then another reason might be mental, right? not sure why you think it's a reach
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Not directed at you,

more so at moneyliscious 

I'm not even saying that it could or couldn't be mental. But I won't sit here and claim that it's mental because It looks like that way from TV.

What if he physically can't be a better free throw shooter? Just like he could get better, it's a possibility that he just can't get much better. I don't know, I don't have the answers (no sway) but i'm not going to just automatically say that he would be a better free throw shooter if he worked harder or smarter. That's all
 
lawdog1 said:
People are throwing out fixes for DJ's FT shooting like they're new ideas.
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The Clippers have paid a bunch of different "shot doctors" a lot of money to trying and get his FT shooting better. I'm willing to bet that they have recommended and/or had him do pretty much everything that has been mentioned on this board today. And yet he's still a 40% FT shooter (although I think he might be over 50% for his last 10 games or something like that). If a bunch of experts over like 8 years time haven't been able to help him, it kind of makes me think there is no magic solution and he's just never going to be a good free throw shooter.
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Nope.

He should just hire another shot doctor, and work smarter.

Because Roy Hibbert became a good free throw shooter, so DJ should be able to do the same.

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Some players are just that bad at certain areas though. It is what it is, you can't expect them ALL to excel or even be average.

Everyone has a different ceiling on certain abilities.
 
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shoeking2102 said:
See man,

Y'all talking about DJ's mental fortitude from how he looks on Television. As if y'all are qualified to assess what goes through someone's mind, from television.

As if y'all have the credentials to assess someone's mental stability / instability when he's performing...from television.

Y'all got it.

:lol:
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People are throwing out fixes for DJ's FT shooting like they're new ideas. :lol: The Clippers have paid a bunch of different "shot doctors" a lot of money to trying and get his FT shooting better. I'm willing to bet that they have recommended and/or had him do pretty much everything that has been mentioned on this board today. And yet he's still a 40% FT shooter (although I think he might be over 50% for his last 10 games or something like that). If a bunch of experts over like 8 years time haven't been able to help him, it kind of makes me think there is no magic solution and he's just never going to be a good free throw shooter.
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i'm not quite sure why you & shoe think we want him to be a good free throw shooter. nobody is really expecting that. we just don't to see him shooting 40% :x and i can't believe is acceptable by you two. i mean it's logical to think that a professional team is throwing the right amount of money out to fix the situation but i'm not quite sure believe in that. or else you have more nba teams with similar health specialists like the Suns.
 
shoeking2102 said:
Logic, 

Because one person does it means someone else can do it.

I'm caping, but this is the logic that you're using. 

Got it man lol
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They all have access to the same resources, why can't DJ at least improve somewhat instead of hovering at the 40% range.

Anyway, this just proves DJ is unreliable and can't be relied on when the game is on the line. Have fun losing in the playoffs with him bricking and sitting on the bench after he bricks multiple FTs.
 
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