2015-2016 NBA Regular Season - MDA to HOU - All-NBA - Harden snubbed - Anthony Davis is broke

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DCAllAmerican said:
 
Historically, I don't see why RW and Anthony Davis are in any of those pictures

That is dumb though. Historically, the point guard being the best player on a championship team is RARE so why are we blaming CP3 for this now?
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Perhaps it is dumb, with that said, CP has been in the same sentence as the All-Time greats. It comes with the territory, if you haven't made a conference finals it lends more so to the naysayers
 
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professional sports are simple

win and the haters shut up

too bad the little fraud doesnt have what it takes to even get passed the second round 
 
sea manup said:
 
being a pass first pg is the easiest job in the nba, no one blames you for any off your teams shortcomings because you're a "team player"

cp is about the same rank and career path as melo, yet melo gets no respect because as a scorer people place all the blame on him
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Again, because the PG being the best player on a championship teams isn't something that happens often. The wing player that is your best scorer is "viewed" as having a greater influence over a team's success.

BOTH are foolish because it is a team sport.

Melo should NOT have won a championship due to the teams he has played on.

CP3 should NOT have won a championship due to the teams he has played on.

So why on earth are we calling them losers? When were they supposed to win a ring?
 
DCAllAmerican said:
 
That is a dumb way to look at it because basketball is a team sport. I hate that train of though. It isn't a 1 on 1 game
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 . basketball is a team sport.  but one person can effect the game more then most other team sports. this isnt football where you only play one side of the ball and there are 10 other teammates  on the field with you. 

right or wrong thats how people view , even their peers.

i would think nba players care more about how their peers view them then they care about how fans view them. 
 
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DCAllAmerican said:
 
sea manup said:
 
being a pass first pg is the easiest job in the nba, no one blames you for any off your teams shortcomings because you're a "team player"

cp is about the same rank and career path as melo, yet melo gets no respect because as a scorer people place all the blame on him
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Again, because the PG being the best player on a championship teams isn't something that happens often. The wing player that is your best scorer is "viewed" as having a greater influence over a team's success.

BOTH are foolish because it is a team sport.

Melo should NOT have won a championship due to the teams he has played on.

CP3 should NOT have won a championship due to the teams he has played on.

So why on earth are we calling them losers? When were they supposed to win a ring?
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because they are, by definition, losers

its not even about a ring, this is the second round of the playoffs we're talking about here

the clippers SHOULD have beat the rockets last year

he got outplayed by the other team's pg (westbrook) the year before that

in the nba, 90% of the time if your teams two best players outplay the other teams two best players you win the series

cant be mad at chris paul, hes probably put a lot of thought and effort into padding his advanced stats and making it seem like he contributes to winning but somehow his teams fall short year after year. 
 
DCAllAmerican said:
 
Again, because the PG being the best player on a championship teams isn't something that happens often. The wing player that is your best scorer is "viewed" as having a greater influence over a team's success.

BOTH are foolish because it is a team sport.

Melo should NOT have won a championship due to the teams he has played on.

CP3 should NOT have won a championship due to the teams he has played on.

So why on earth are we calling them losers? When were they supposed to win a ring?
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So, we going to pick and choose which teams should NOT have won a championship due to the teams he played on? Lebby should be on that list for as much hate as he gets
 
lakersman3000 said:
 
right or wrong. thats how people view it ,  even their peers .

i would think nba players care more about how their peers view them then they care about how fans view them. 
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Tbh Peers are much more leinent (spellcheck) towards players' legacy and rankings and all that.

We care about that stuff more than they do.

From a competitive standpoint, they want to be the best and all that sure. But like, you won't hear Lebron say CP's career is worthless because he didn't make it past the 2nd round you know? Or like you won't hear D Wade say everything TMac did in his career is worthless because he couldn't get out of the first round.

I'm not a big fan of players' evaluation of players by any means, but they do understand more than the average fan that wins and losses aren't nearly as black and white as we as fans romanticize them to be.
 
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damn near the entire Heat team is out
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Knicks coming for their playoff spot
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Deng with a potential career ending injury for playing garbage time 
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the clippers are not going to win a championship because chris paul is not good enough. simple as that.

put lebron, kobe, mj, magic, bird on this clippers team and they have a good shot at winning a championship

it's why the same players win championships almost every year

if chris paul is your best player you're not winning a champinship 
 
lakersman3000 said:
 
right or wrong. thats how people view it ,  even their peers . basketball is a team sport.  but one person can effect the game more then most other team sports. this isnt football where you only play one side of the ball and there are 10 other players on the field with you. 

i would think nba players care more about how their peers view them then they care about how fans view them. 
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Yea I know that is how it is, I just find it sad that is how the media judges individual players that play a team sport.

I mean people have to win, people have to lose. Just because someone loses doesn't mean it is their FAULT. They could just be playing a better and more talented team. That is what the media always leaves out.

Sure, one player has a greater influence due to numbers but again, it is a team sport. People aren't playing against themselves in a mirror. 

I will never subscribe to blaming folks for their team not succeeding. Especially not the person that is the best on the team.
 
shoeking2102 said:
 
Tbh Peers are much more leinent (spellcheck) towards players' legacy and rankings and all that.

We care about that stuff more than they do.

From a competitive standpoint, they want to be the best and all that sure. But like, you won't hear Lebron say CP's career is worthless because he didn't make it past the 2nd round you know? Or like you won't hear D Wade say everything TMac did in his career is worthless because he couldn't get out of the first round.

I'm not a big fan of players' evaluation of players by any means, but they do understand more than the average fan that wins and losses aren't nearly as black and white as we as fans romanticize them to be.
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i wouldnt say nba players careers are worthless because they cant win chips. thats kind of ridiculous.   
 
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Vincent Van Ho said:
 
So, we going to pick and choose which teams should NOT have won a championship due to the teams he played on? Lebby should be on that list for as much hate as he gets
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I am saying that you can't say, "So and So didn't win a ring, it is his fault." When that team isn't even the most talented team in the league. That makes sense to you?

Melo and CP3 not being part of championship TEAMS is not due to their production.

It is due to the lack of championship talent on their TEAMS
 
lakersman3000 said:
him and harden aint going to cut it against the other elite squads regardless if howard has been balling lately.  ....

right coach and better system. okay , another excuse word to scott brooks being the reason okc couldnt win. 
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Bruh take it from someone who watches the Rockets play every week. Mchale was trash...JB is better but not much. Still too much Iso ball and James dominating the shot clock. The Rockets have more talent than most teams in the league (Top 5 SG, elite defensive big man, good role players, good young talent). How many teams can say that? They can make what they have work better than what it is now. No way they should be hovering around .500
 
Basketball is a team sport, simple.

Chris Paul had like 33 and 13 or something like that against Houston in a closeout game 6.

The Clippers losing in the playoffs falls beyond him. He has his moments where he comes up short individually, but he has a lot of moments where he comes up huge.

Basketball is a team sport. Chris Paul can play great, and the Clippers still not be good enough because AS A TEAM, (i.e. Matt Barnes, Reddick, the other 10 guys) collectively failed to win. 

I know it isn't kosher but that's actually how basketball is won and lost.
 
sea manup said:
 
the clippers are not going to win a championship because chris paul is not good enough. simple as that.

put lebron, kobe, mj, magic, bird on this clippers team and they have a good shot at winning a championship

it's why the same players win championships almost every year

if chris paul is your best player you're not winning a champinship 
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You can't comprehend that having a PG as your best player doesn't really put you in the best position to win a ring.
 
DCAllAmerican said:
 
I am saying that you can't say, "So and So didn't win a ring, it is his fault." When that team isn't even the most talented team in the league. That makes sense to you?

Melo and CP3 not being part of championship TEAMS is not due to their production.

It is due to the lack of championship talent on their TEAMS
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Yes, I understand exactly what you're saying. That's why I asked you that question about LeBron 

He gets hate every day for his past failures, but his first 7 years in Cleveland he had much worse talent than Melo and CP3 had
 
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Vincent Van Ho said:
 
So, we going to pick and choose which teams should NOT have won a championship due to the teams he played on? Lebby should be on that list for as much hate as he gets
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I am saying that you can't say, "So and So didn't win a ring, it is his fault." When that team isn't even the most talented team in the league. That makes sense to you?

Melo and CP3 not being part of championship TEAMS is not due to their production.

It is due to the lack of championship talent on their TEAMS
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so everytime someone wins a championship it's because they were on a championship team?

jordan is just lucky because there were no other teams with championship talent in the 90s 
 
NBA Basketball is sport where the better team wins most of the time. The best of 7 series makes its almost impossible to hide deficences.

I can only think of handful of times when if a superstar played better his team may have won( 2004 Kobe Finals, 2011 Lebron Finals)?

So blaming the superstar for his team's shortcomings all the time is kinda silly.
 
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DCAllAmerican said:
 
sea manup said:
 
the clippers are not going to win a championship because chris paul is not good enough. simple as that.

put lebron, kobe, mj, magic, bird on this clippers team and they have a good shot at winning a championship

it's why the same players win championships almost every year

if chris paul is your best player you're not winning a champinship 
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You can't comprehend that having a PG as your best player doesn't really put you in the best position to win a ring.
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i have been saying this for years now 
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which is exactly why cp is overrated, he gets mentioned with all time greats when he doesnt have nearly the same impact on the game

because he's a pass first pg
 
JinKazama said:
Bruh take it from someone who watches the Rockets play every week. Mchale was trash...JB is better but not much. Still too much Iso ball and James dominating the shot clock. The Rockets have more talent than most teams in the league (Top 5 SG, elite defensive big man, good role players, good young talent). How many teams can say that? They can make what they have work better than what it is now. No way they should be hovering around .500
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there is such thing as player dna. no coach is going to make harden play differently , thats who he is . Same with the excuses that okc used to play iso ball cause of scott brooks. 
 
Vincent Van Ho said:
 
Yes, I understand exactly what you're saying. That's why I asked you that question about LeBron 

He gets hate every day for his past failures, but his first 7 years in Cleveland he had much worse talent than Melo and CP3 had
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I never blamed LeBron for his TEAMS not winning a ring. I think to blame LeBron is worse than blaming CP3 because of everything he does for teams he is part of.

Blaming LeBron for his team for not winning a ring would be like a child blaming his single mother, that has 2 jobs, for not being able to afford him a 2nd pair of shoes in a given month. Completely disregard she just spent $230 on some Foams for you, but she is a horrible mother because she can't buy you another pair.

Come on man.
 
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