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post #55531 of 93193
Originally Posted by CP1708
Originally Posted by shoeking2102

Is it a stretch to say that KAT will be a top 10 player in the league by this time next year? 

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I see him starting to decline next year. Borderline starting material. Leveled off after hitting Peak in December of his rookie year.

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post #55532 of 93193
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KAT is the real deal. He's doing this on a team that makes little sense and has a horrible coach too. Imagine if he had shooters around him? Or a coach that isn't Sam Mitchell?
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post #55533 of 93193
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 be honest bro how many Wolves games have you caught this year and last laugh.gif

I've watched damb near all of them.. I am a big Wiggins fan, I just don't see him being much more than a good scorer.. that's not even a knock on him. He's not going to magically become someone who can create for others.. he has the ball in his hands A LOT no reason he can't at least get 3 a game. Don't get me started with his rebounding.

He's a kill only player, ain't eem mad. I just don't see a superstar. But that's just my opinion. 

Probably a dozen or so last year, maybe 15-20 so far this year.

And I don’t have any issue with the kid.

You guys wanna use stats and shooting percentages, and pi squared divided by 16 footers, that’s all glorious, but that doesn’t tell you jack **** about what he’s asked to do.

You, nor I, knows what Sam Mitchell asks him to do. Or what they practice, and tell him they want from him. Or Rubio. Or Towns, etc. Maybe they want him ISO’ing all the time. Maybe they want him to focus on scoring, now, and later on down the line they will ask him to distribute, once the double/triple teams start coming.

Maybe “regress” is just for lack of a better term or something, and not really indicative of how he’s actually growing in his own game. Which you can’t put a damn stat on. Kobe’s 3 point shooting got worse his first 3 years. Then it leveled off again 2 years later. In his SEVENTH year, he jumped big time with his long range shooting. Both in volume, and accuracy. Seven. Years. He added a nice weapon to his arsenal. Thru work. Wiggins, from what I can tell, will work. As hard as Kobe? I dunno, none of us do, maybe he’ll work even harder. Kobe wasn’t locking anyone down in 96-97-98-99, and then suddenly he started working on defense over the all-star break with Payton and suddenly he started to become proficient at it. Within a year he was really good.

Magic in the late 80’s would come back each year with a new skill, or much improved one. Be it simple things like free throws, or adding the 3 to his game.

I would think a Timberwolve fanbase would remember KG in year 1-2 wasn’t much, and 2-3 years later, boom. I guess if it were today, February of KG’s second year, we’d be saying KG hit his peak, he’s just a nice talented player, never gonna be much more than an ok scorer, or decent rebounder, blah blah blah.

Wiggins may just be focused on scoring this year. Maybe next year he’ll focus on passing out of double teams. The year after defense. Year after that, 3 ball. The next year rebounding better. It’s adding to your game as you go along. Age 20-21-22-23 etc. It’s what the coaching staff asks him to work on, and improve on. You don’t just go into an offseason and say focus on improving everything. You focus on an area and work on that area, year after year. Add it to your repertoire. To already be calling him Rudy Gay, or DeMar DeRozan (is DeMar not having a career best year, now, years into his career? nerd.gif ) Players add to their game, it takes time, it takes work, it takes years. It doesn’t just show up on basketball reference the day he starts working on it.

You guys wanna run around and call him regressed, and lower his ceiling, and he’s Rudy G 2.0, go on ahead. I see a talented as hell kid learning on the fly and now adding another super baby to his team to work and grow with. If he has the hunger in him to be in the gym non-stop during the off-season, he’ll be just fine. And you guys and your readymade labels will look absolutely foolish. If he doesn’t work like that, and just wants to gun and no coach(es) will get thru to him, then I’ll look foolish.
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post #55534 of 93193
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Towns is averaging 17/10/2/2 on 55/38/85 and he's only 20 years old. sick.gifsick.gifsick.gif

idk about top 10 but i could see him being in the 14-17 range next season

And Mitchell's been making him earn his minutes (17 games he has played 27 or less minutes) which skewers things a bit.

He's settled in now. KAT's last 16 games:

33 Min/20 PPG/12.3 REB/.566 FG/.860 FT/.421 3PT
post #55535 of 93193
damn if he could just up those Free throws son could drop 50-40-90 year 1 eek.gif

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And Mitchell's been making him earn his minutes (17 games he has played 27 or less minutes) which skewers things a bit.

He's settled in now. KAT's last 16 games:

33 Min/20 PPG/12.3 REB/.566 FG/.860 FT/.421 3PT

 

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post #55537 of 93193
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I think people are too used to the blatant disrespect and calling players trash, garbage, or overrated, so when there's actual logic and evidence behind opinions.. it's swept all together. It's not ridiculous to criticize a young player, just because they're 20 and have potential doesn't mean they're free from criticism.. but it's important to remember that they are young, of course. 

Basically what happens is people want to avoid criticizing a young player or a young team because "They're young, they'll improve, they have potential" but those little issues or faults might not get fixed and 5 years from now you wonder "Why didn't they pan out?" and it's those little issues you might have seen in year 1 or 2. On the flipside, of course, people look at 40 games from a rookie and make extravagant claims that are proven wrong when they naturally improve and get better.

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As for Wiggins, it's fair to say we haven't seen a major jump and improvement this year. That's not to say we won't see it, but other than a scoring bump, his play this year hasn't jumped out to you as a future superstar to me. We need to see that defensive potential more and he's got to improve his 3 point shot.

Fortunately for him, he's going to be paired with KAT for the next 7+ years. Good god is this kid the real deal. As it's been mentioned, his feel for the game, defense, and shooting is pretty insane for someone his size. 

Because the time table for development and improvement have shrunk cobsiderably. He may not be that break out star simply because there is so much talent in the league now. You can‘t quant everything and analyze things based on stats!!

Player development just takes time, but truth be told. With every up and comer working on their game, the spotlight to shine ain‘t gonna be easy.

You guys also have to understand that these guys are young and were developed differently. They may find themselves in a stump simply because they lack experience at the pros. The Xs and Os and bball iq and all that takes time.

This is a league that requires much more than physical talent.
post #55538 of 93193
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KAT is the real deal. He's doing this on a team that makes little sense and has a horrible coach too. Imagine if he had shooters around him? Or a coach that isn't Sam Mitchell?
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ICYMI: @Timberwolves SF @22wiggins told us @ZachLaVine 's dunk on Saturday will "leave you stunned" #NBAAllStarTO
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tell em get off zach meat and go work on your game.

He's seen enough of Zach dunks behind the scenes to know he don't want it in the dunk contest
post #55540 of 93193
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I know there's a lot to it but when these kids start having great playoff performances, I'll crown them.

Until then, they are kids with great potential and are fun to watch

Exactly. I called people turning on AD when they set unrealistic expectations, and hyped him crazy. He still super talented. ESPN said he was the best player THIS year at the beginning of the season. Too soon.

They gotta go out there and earn it before being crowned.
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post #55541 of 93193
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KAT is the real deal. He's doing this on a team that makes little sense and has a horrible coach too. Imagine if he had shooters around him? Or a coach that isn't Sam Mitchell?
Wolves are just 1 shooter away from being a contender. Srs
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Is it a stretch to say that KAT will be a top 10 player in the league by this time next year? 

Asking for a friend

I see him starting to decline next year. Borderline starting material. Leveled off after hitting Peak in December of his rookie year.

That's just how NT judges 19-20 year olds tho. *shrugs*

What about being top 3 in his second season like AD? is AD top 3 all-time
By now?

My bad, you thought he was the best player in the nba and would be even better this year.

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I said AD would be top 3 last year. I was wrong. He was #1.

I have zero doubt he will be even better next year with Gentry.


Has he regressed? We can make comments like this but can't think a player has regressed?

He hasn't regressed at all. He's been banged up a lot. But on the court, he's just as great.
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post #55543 of 93193

That's fine and great, and he could turn the corner because he is young.

 

But he has regressed from year one to year two. It is what it is. You can blame it on system, what Sam is asking him to do, etc. but they've put the ball in his hands more this season, and he's passed less, shot worse, and has shown a general apathy or disregard rather, for making plays for others. 

 

Maybe he improves his handle and can play P&R and start making plays more in the future, but don't let Kobe's improvements throughout his career be a guide. In general, young players don't go from having no creative offensive skills to having even good offensive skills. In general, players don't go from shooting 24% from 3 to being league average with volume. It just doesn't happen that often. 

 

So he could absolutely improve like I said, but to expect a HUGE jump because of his age is kind of naive. 

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post #55544 of 93193
Regress is a simpler term for what's going on. You're right.

Most NBA players work very hard during the off-season and mid-season to improve. They get stronger, they understand the game more, add moves to counter what's in the scouting report, get more accustomed to the schedule, refine their strengths and work on their weaknesses. Basically everyone does this. Yet the amount of improvement guys make statistically after Year 1 really isn't much. You can become a better basketball player but it may not translate to a better TS%, Assist rate, PER, rebound rate, etc.

The NBA is really tough. Wiggins may have improved as a player - but the rest of the league has the scouting report on him. It's what the "sophomore slump" is. It's up to him to adjust and make a leap.
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Originally Posted by WavyCrocket View Post

 

Originally Posted by Addict4Sneakers View Post

I know there's a lot to it but when these kids start having great playoff performances, I'll crown them.

Until then, they are kids with great potential and are fun to watch

Exactly. I called people turning on AD when they set unrealistic expectations, and hyped him crazy. He still super talented. ESPN said he was the best player THIS year at the beginning of the season. Too soon.

They gotta go out there and earn it before being crowned.

 

We both did, I definitely remember that.

 

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You can become a better basketball player but it may not translate to a better TS%, Assist rate, PER, rebound rate, etc.

This.
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Vertical Sources: Houston has started contacting teams about trading Dwight Howard. http://yhoo.it/1Kecw9C 

 

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Vertical Sources: Houston has started contacting teams about trading Dwight Howard. http://yhoo.it/1Kecw9C 





Welp

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post #55549 of 93193
Where's Dwight Howard going to be traded to?
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maybe he finally gets to new jersey

post #55551 of 93193
Is there even a market out there for Dwight?

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post #55552 of 93193
^ I don't understand why teams don't just go crazy at the trade deadline. If you aren't the cavs, Warriors, Spurs, or thunder, (maybe Toronto or heat), you really have no shot at the finals. Why not just start trading superstars for superstars and see how it goes. Blake, cp3, melo, Dwight, and others should just be on the block and send them to other teams.

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^ I don't understand why teams don't just go crazy at the trade deadline. If you aren't the cavs, Warriors, Spurs, or thunder, (maybe Toronto or heat), you really have no shot at the finals. Why not just start trading superstars for superstars and see how it goes. Blake, cp3, melo, Dwight, and others should just be on the block and send them to other teams.
Why would the Clips have CP3 on the trade block??

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Rockets have contacted 8 teams to trade Dwight howard. 

post #55556 of 93193
don't think Boston would part with Smart for Dwight

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post #55557 of 93193

Pau Gasol for Howard, Do it !

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Yeah, I'm not real big on giving up Marcus for a 30-year-old with back problems.
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^ I don't understand why teams don't just go crazy at the trade deadline. If you aren't the cavs, Warriors, Spurs, or thunder, (maybe Toronto or heat), you really have no shot at the finals. Why not just start trading superstars for superstars and see how it goes. Blake, cp3, melo, Dwight, and others should just be on the block and send them to other teams.
Why would the Clips have CP3 on the trade block??

Why not? They aren't going to come out of the west, just see what they can get for him. They are not going to win in their current form. Why not see what else they can do.

It feels like the bucks are the only team that are actually active with the trades. They've been doing a kid of trades the last few year, trying to see how people fit together. I'm just surprised more teams don't give it a shot.

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^ I don't understand why teams don't just go crazy at the trade deadline. If you aren't the cavs, Warriors, Spurs, or thunder, (maybe Toronto or heat), you really have no shot at the finals. Why not just start trading superstars for superstars and see how it goes. Blake, cp3, melo, Dwight, and others should just be on the block and send them to other teams.

And trade guys just for the sake of trading them? Teams make trades to try and get better, not just because they can. If the Clippers were to trade either Blake or CP it means they're giving up on their core and starting over. No reason for them to do that in the middle of the season. They can just let things play out and see where they're at in the Summer.
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