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post #55831 of 93193
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Originally Posted by leemelone View Post

Shout out all the nters that can actually have a discussion, explain what they're talking about and not act like a ho about it

Well, here's the thing about that, Chief. For a lot of people it becomes at a certain point impossible to have that kind of dialogue when the person you are attempting to have said discussion with continually moves the goal posts and/or ignores or unreasonably minimizes data/facts that weigh against his chosen position. Now I realize that you are laboring under the impression that description doesn't fit you, but that's how I see it. As do others on here. So, for now, for Freeze's benefit mostly, but for the good of the thread overall, let's just agree to disagree . . . on everything.
" . . . what a long, strange trip its been . . . " The Grateful Dead, "Truckin'" (and a good summary of my life as an LA Clippers fan)
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post #55832 of 93193
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Originally Posted by lawdog1 View Post

Well, here's the thing about that, Chief. For a lot of people it becomes at a certain point impossible to have that kind of dialogue when the person you are attempting to have said discussion with continually moves the goal posts and/or ignores or unreasonably minimizes data/facts that weigh against his chosen position. Now I realize that you are laboring under the impression that description doesn't fit you, but that's how I see it. As do others on here. So, for now, for Freeze's benefit mostly, but for the good of the thread overall, let's just agree to disagree . . . on everything.

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post #55833 of 93193
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Thats the thing theres no real right or wrong in most the discussions that take place in this thread.

Just opinions/debates/discussions.

Although this thread is based on opinions/debates/discussions, most people back their statements with facts. Thus, there are such things as stupid opinions.

 

Most times you have something unsubstantiated to say (dumb opinion) and someones tries to have a normal discussion, you start throwing things into the equation that weren't in the original discussion (moving goal post).  I can understand if this was a once in a blue moon thing, but if you browse the majority of the trending S&T threads, you will find Mister Friendly always disagreeing with a fellow NTer. This has become the "norm" for you and we are all used to it.

 

Now we can all agree to disagree, but at the end of the day - one has a sound sports argument/opinion/theory/ etc and the other one is throwing poo hoping something sticks.

 

In regards to personal attacks, at least I can vouch for myself, most times you get personal "with me". 

post #55834 of 93193
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one of these days Alice, one of these days..

@Freeze...I am about all worn out man with our Stones eyes.gif

Denver???! At the Palace....On Billups night.. Man we falling fast bro.
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post #55835 of 93193
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Originally Posted by iLLiCiT305 View Post

why cant Orlando ever keep a player or sign a big name (except for tmac/grant hill once) ......it has to be their management ? orlando is a nice place and maybe not a party town but miami is down the street for that 
NBA players love living in Orlando for some reason , they will have no problem signing big name free agents just gotta get their team to be more attractive to the stars...as for players leaving no real explanation for that it's always something different ...Shaq wanted to be in Hollywood n get more money , tmac was trying to get out the 1st round , Penny was starting to get injured
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post #55836 of 93193
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Originally Posted by Mister Friendly 
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Originally Posted by Freeze 
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Originally Posted by Mister Friendly 
"Let's agree to disagree" should be a term used more frequent on here.

Instead when we can't change somebodys mind or other side has good points, we too often default to personal attacks.
hell no. In fact, I hate that phrase. It gives people the right to be wrong and just end the argument. It's annoying af when I debate with someone and they have no points left, so they're just like, 'well, that's your opinion, let's agree to disagree'

how about no. how about, you're wrong. How about, I'm spitting facts and whether you agree with said facts or not, it doesn't change anything in regards to what is true or not? how about that phrase is garbage and just a conversational loophole to the weak-minded. how about gfy. not you personally MF


/rant
Thats the thing theres no real right or wrong in most the discussions that take place in this thread.

Just opinions/debates/discussions.
I'm with your first point, that there should be more peaceful disagreements.

But your second point, that most times, there's not a right or wrong, I disagree.

A lot of times, there is definitely an accurate take, and someone refusing to acknowledge.

Bill: "Dude, Jordan was NOT this nice, Steph Curry image you're wanting to portray."

Ken: "He was the face of the league for 6 rings, though."

Bill: "Right, but he wasn't some golden boy. He punched teammates, and talked MAAAADDDD shhhh on the court."

Ken: "He was a beast, though!"

Bill: "Yes, but not a choir boy."

Ken: "LET'S JUST AGREE TO DISAGREE."

I can't STAAAND it. laugh.gif
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post #55837 of 93193
T-Mac is an idiot. He didn't face prime Jordan. Would've got his *** ate up
post #55838 of 93193
Here's what the trade market for Dwight Howard looks like


With the Houston Rockets making calls to gauge interest in former All-Star Dwight Howard, The Vertical takes a look at why it could be hard for them to move the 30-year-old center, some possible trade partners, as well as the specifics of Howard’s current contract.



Dwight Howard is averaging 14.6 points and 12 rebounds this season. (Getty Images)
The contract
Dwight Howard is in the third year of an $87.5 million contract signed in 2013.

The current cap hit for this season is $22.3 million, plus a trade bonus that is currently $600,000. The Rockets would pay this bonus to Howard if he is traded. For trade purposes, $22.9 million should be the number the Rockets and opposing teams will use.

Although Howard is under contract through 2016-17, he can opt out of his contract by June 29, thus making him an unrestricted free agent.

The Rockets' trade rules and hard cap situation
Because Houston is a luxury-tax team, the Rockets can only acquire players who are within 125 percent, plus $100,000 of Howard’s contract.

The Rockets are also hard capped and cannot exceed the $88.74 million threshold the league mandates. Currently the Rockets are $525,000 below the tax apron.

Why it could be hard for Houston to find a partner
Several factors will limit potential trade partners for Howard to a small pool of teams.

Howard has missed over 50 games the past two seasons with a variety of ailments. Although Howard’s minutes have been high over the past few months, one has to wonder how much longer his body can hold up.

A team acquiring Howard has no assurance he will sign come July. Unless Houston gives permission, teams are not allowed to make contact with Howard.

Factor in that the Rockets also have eyes on All-Star Kevin Durant this summer. Adding additional salary could make it difficult for Houston to create cap space to sign Durant.

It will be hard to make a deal with any Western Conference team above Houston in the playoff race.

The top-five West teams – Golden State Warriors, San Antonio Spurs, Oklahoma City Thunder and the Los Angeles Clippers – do not need a center. Although the Grizzlies' Marc Gasol recently broke his foot, Memphis does not have the picks or assets to get a deal done.

Would Houston try and make a deal with the three teams they are chasing for a playoff berth?

In Dallas, the Mavericks' Zaza Pachulia has been one of the most improved players this season. Why trade for a player like Howard when the Mavericks can sign him outright this summer. Utah has Rudy Gobert anchoring down low. Trading for a player like Howard does not fit the rebuild the Jazz have gone through the past few years. The Trail Blazers have been the feel-good story this season with their young core of players. Like the Jazz, adding Howard to the mix goes against how the Trail Blazers have rebuilt their team.

The teams in the lottery either do not have the assets to get a deal done or it would not make sense from a roster standpoint to give away future assets. The Nuggets have the players and draft picks to make a deal, but why do it? Denver is out of the playoffs, has built a nice young core with some veterans and will have ample cap room this summer.

So where does that leave the Rockets?


David Lee's contract expires at the end of the season. (Getty Images)
The team with the players and picks to get a deal done without touching the core would be the Boston Celtics.

The Celtics have a treasure chest of draft picks and expiring contracts, something that would benefit the Rockets in the long run.

Here is a look at a hypothetical trade that could work for both teams:

Houston receives
David Lee
Jonas Jerebko
2016 Boston first-round pick
2016 Dallas first-round pick

Boston receives
Dwight Howard
Montrezl Harrell

Although this trade could knock Houston out of the playoff race, the Rockets would be able to add two first-round picks, as well as their own first if they miss the playoffs. The Rockets currently have the 13th pick in this year's draft and will send it to Denver if they make the playoffs. With Lee’s expiring contract and Jerebko’s non-guaranteed salary for 2016-17, the Rockets could have close to $27 million in cap space. Good enough for a max salary in free agency.

For the Celtics, the addition of Howard could move them closer to the level of Cleveland and Toronto. Acquiring a player like Howard without moving any of their core pieces would make the Celtics a dangerous out come the spring. The Celtics also would not have to move the unprotected 2016 and 2018 Brooklyn Nets first-round picks or Memphis' future first-rounder.

This deal would not hurt the Celtics in the summer if Howard does decide to walk. Boston would have the same cap space if it would have kept Lee and Jerebko, just minus two first-round picks in the mid 20s.

Aside from Boston, there is a limited amount of teams in the Eastern Conference with the potential to do a deal.

The one team that has plenty of assets and players to make a deal is Toronto. However, center is not a position of need for the Raptors.

A team like Philadelphia that has plenty of picks and cap space now could just sign Howard as a free agent in July. There is no need to risk assets to chase him at the trade deadline.

Two teams fighting for their playoff lives and missing their starting centers are the Chicago Bulls and Charlotte Hornets.

The Bulls certainly could offer up a package of Joakim Noah, Taj Gibson and their own first-round pick for Howard. The tough part with this type of trade is that the Bulls are in the luxury tax and would take on additional salary, thus resulting in more luxury taxes. For Houston, the first-round pick could essentially be better than the ones Boston is offering. Although Gibson has been a high-level sixth man for Chicago, the Rockets would have to take on Gibson's contract for next season.

Charlotte has played some of its best basketball of late and is currently holding onto the last playoff spot in the East. The Hornets could put a package together of Al Jefferson, Marvin Williams and a 2016 first-round pick, protected Nos. 1-10 for Howard. Of the trades mentioned above, this deal makes the most sense for both parties. Obtaining a player like Howard in Charlotte would likely see the Hornets in the playoffs come April. For Houston, the Rockets would still have a chance of making the playoffs while also obtaining a valuable first-rounder. Although injured, Jefferson could be back on the court in early March.

With a limited market and plenty of questions to answer in the next week, trading Dwight Howard is not as easy as it sounds.
post #55839 of 93193
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lawdog has da musket out roll.gif

Is that an old joke? Why not uzi or AK? Why it gotta be a musket?

da muskets is NT's weapon of choice when engaging in duels on da street 

when do da handz come into play? 

 

cause we all gentleman afterall

post #55840 of 93193
Kobe 8 System :  The Man, The Myth, The Manigault
Kobe 8 System :  The Man, The Myth, The Manigault
post #55841 of 93193
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Originally Posted by OlDirtyReseller View Post

Am I the only one that thinks KD/Harden could be > KD/Westbrook.

Maybe, but If that combo did work better, I don't see it being all that much of a difference. It's more about the ancillary pieces that would make any real difference, in my opinion.


Having said that, you know where I think KD would be a perfect fit? Minnesota! laugh.gif

Seriously though...Of course I think about that being a Wolves fan, and despite it being unlikely, just think of how quickly that team would rise. KD and Towns, with Wiggins providing some scoring and Rubio distributing to all...they'd have all the other nice little assets to round out a good looking team.



*Wakes up and wipes drool off of chin*
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post #55842 of 93193
@DarthSkaWho has the inaccurate opinion? Ken?

What's the next things he could say?

Ken: "I don't want my superstar to be a choir boy!....I want to him be a killer.....a ****** dog * woof*...you feel me? .....all the goats are jerks....Bonds...jerk....LT....jerk...Bird...jerk.......Kobe...jerk....Clemens...jerk....Brady...jerk.......that baby face **** ain't got the rings Jordans got...he was getting locked down by dellavedova...Iggy had to come save him knocking down shots in that *****boy Lebrons face. Til Steph gets as many rings as Jordan don't talk to me about him 6>1."


And that's not some wild obscure opinion. That's a mish-mash of real discussions I've had with people on here and playing Basketball. laugh.gif
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post #55843 of 93193
If anyone still took Barkley's basketball opinions seriously, this should be the final nail in that coffin.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/warriors/barkley-curry-not-more-shooter

"Just a shooter, not a great playmaker." roll.gif

Probably still thinks jump shooting teams can't win championships too.
Edited by JD617 - 2/12/16 at 9:05am
post #55844 of 93193
His hate for the Warriors is hilarious laugh.gif
post #55845 of 93193

charles is not even entertaining. i dont see his appeal at all.

post #55846 of 93193
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Jason McIntyre @jasonrmcintyre

someone needs to break his jaw. 

post #55847 of 93193
@ColdCity


I've been meaning to mention I appreciate the articles you post in here. Cereal pimp.gif


For your contributions, you have earned no more D Rose jokes for the rest of the month.
post #55848 of 93193
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Jason McIntyre @jasonrmcintyre

 

FIsh has weird fetishes.  He into orgs and train stations.

post #55849 of 93193

I don't see how Harden/KD could be better than WB/KD.

 

They're all equally ball dominant.  And Westbrook is a significantly better leader/defender than Harden.  I would argue that he's been a significantly better player actually, with the exception of Harden's amazing run last year.

post #55850 of 93193
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charles is not even entertaining. i dont see his appeal at all.

 

 

De Andre, Dela Hoya, Charles in the same frat?

post #55851 of 93193
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Originally Posted by lakersman3000 View Post
 

someone needs to break his jaw. 

 

Hope he doesn't get another job in the NBA again

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post #55852 of 93193

I hate how large free agents like KD wouldn't even think about going to smaller teams like Minnesota with potential in favor of making Big 3s etc somewhere else. Wouldn't be surprised if he tried to go to Miami, GS, or Cle

post #55853 of 93193
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Ainge didn't fail at the draft, Michael Jordan failed at the draft. Ainge offered him picks to pull Winslow and MJ stupidly said no. That ain't on Danny and you know it. So no, they didn't fail with their 2015 picks at all, since they seem to be doin just fine currently.

 
That is a fantastic spin job dude. I guess Jordan should hold ainge's **** when he takes a piss too. It's danny's team, it's danny's plan, it's danny's job. He's the one that didn't get it done. He had a plan and didn't execute it. That's a fail. The assets weren't good enough. Ainge mentioned that he tried to trade with several teams in the lotto and nobody was biting.

I already said they look good for now. I really don't expect them to keep it up and finish the year as a 3 seed. The only pick that matters is BK's. Miss me with the rest.

If ainge is able to pull it off I'll be on my knees right next to you topping him off. And if he doesn't I'm not expecting you to come in here patting me on the back telling me I was right.

Here's the thing.....

You hyped RHJ's injury as the reason the Nets aren't too good right now.

Your current favorite Laker core piece is Jordan Clarkson.

Draymond Green.


The Nets pick is ALL that matters, miss you with the rest. Yet......you seem to value late first, early/mid second round picks......

nerd.gif

Boston currently has #4, 19, 22, 31, and 35.

Clarkson was 46.

I mean, seems like Boston could pull the next Clarkson. Or Draymond, etc. Or they'll pull a nobody as well, I'm sure they will miss on at least 1-2. But they have 8 bullets. And for some reason you just assume they'll waste them, when it seems like Ainge/Stevens have done a damn good job developing the young players they've taken to this point, why would that stop now?

*here's the part you'll downplay Clarkson, say Draymond isn't all that, RHJ is just a good fit for the Nets, etc*
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post #55854 of 93193
The fact that Wolves fans still include Ricky Rubio when they talk about the teams future is disturbing laugh.gif
post #55855 of 93193
They are in New York City dating the same girls?

It's not like they are in a place like Portland where the pool is smaller.
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post #55856 of 93193
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Originally Posted by Mister Friendly View Post

They are in New York City dating the same girls?

It's not like they are in a place like Portland where the pool is smaller.

 

I'm in Portland :o but you are right though :lol

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post #55857 of 93193
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The fact that Wolves fans still include Ricky Rubio when they talk about the teams future is disturbing laugh.gif

Why?

The things he does well, he does really well. If you have a KD, Towns and Wiggins, his shooting becomes less of a concern for me. I wouldn't be horribly upset if he wasn't on this team in the foreseeable future either, but your statement makes it seem outlandish to think that way, which is silly.
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post #55858 of 93193
barkley is so garbage now its ridiculous

Lakers tho...

Lakers tho...

post #55859 of 93193
Originally Posted by ColdCity View Post

The team with the players and picks to get a deal done without touching the core would be the Boston Celtics.

The Celtics have a treasure chest of draft picks and expiring contracts, something that would benefit the Rockets in the long run.

Here is a look at a hypothetical trade that could work for both teams:

Houston receives
David Lee
Jonas Jerebko
2016 Boston first-round pick
2016 Dallas first-round pick

Boston receives
Dwight Howard
Montrezl Harrell

Although this trade could knock Houston out of the playoff race, the Rockets would be able to add two first-round picks, as well as their own first if they miss the playoffs. The Rockets currently have the 13th pick in this year's draft and will send it to Denver if they make the playoffs. With Lee’s expiring contract and Jerebko’s non-guaranteed salary for 2016-17, the Rockets could have close to $27 million in cap space. Good enough for a max salary in free agency.

For the Celtics, the addition of Howard could move them closer to the level of Cleveland and Toronto. Acquiring a player like Howard without moving any of their core pieces would make the Celtics a dangerous out come the spring. The Celtics also would not have to move the unprotected 2016 and 2018 Brooklyn Nets first-round picks or Memphis' future first-rounder.

This deal would not hurt the Celtics in the summer if Howard does decide to walk. Boston would have the same cap space if it would have kept Lee and Jerebko, just minus two first-round picks in the mid 20s.

 

Nope, not possible. They gotta move the Brooklyn pick to get Howard or anyone else of value. Everything else is trash.

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post #55860 of 93193
I watch Inside anyway for the comedy, but there's no way anyone can convince me Chuck watches the NBA on nights he's not working.
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