First, kindly answer this question for me, if you will.
What was danny ainge's plan, from his own mouth, heading into the 2015 draft?
What I've always said is that those assets, being late firsts and second rounders, did not have enough value in a TRADE to move into the lottery, to make a james harden, kg/ray allen type deal etc. That was my original stance and that's what happened on draft night.
That's one topic. Now I'll address what you're talking about, which is a different topic.
You are 100% absolutely correct that they can use those picks to draft a worthwhile player and see what he's made of. 100% correct, I never said otherwise. I'm giving you that point.
Now here's the thing, and this is low key yet another different topic but worth mentioning. Ainge had 4 picks in 2015. Couldn't trade them like he said he wanted to but hey plan B, let's see what they got, might be Draymond, Clarkson, manu, monta whatever.
None of them play. One is in Australia the other three are trapped in the d league. So when you or others say ainge didn't fail because the team is the 3 seed (which they've only been for like a week but ok) even tho the way he handled the draft day trades and the way the team is playing now are two seperate incidents, but for the sake of discussion I'll go with it. The players he drafted have contributed literally nothing to the team's play, so how can anyone say they have something to do with it? How can someone say he didn't fail at the draft because the team is playing well, when the kids from the draft aren't even playing? He had a plan and didn't get it done. In that sense, he failed.
I can understand if you say he didn't fail because we don't know what kind of players they are yet. Ok cool. But that's completely different from, he didn't fail because the team is doing well.
And the question I never got answered. By your logic, if he didn't fail at the draft because the team is currently better than last year, what does that mean if the team ends up finishing 8th like last year or worse?
So yes you're right they might find a gem late in the draft. Honestly they may have picked up 4 already. But when you draft 4 guys and 3 play the same position, none of them play, and then you're drafting 3+ guys for the next 5 years (because they aren't valuable enough to trade for what you really want) how would you even know? As far as trade assets that bk pick is their most valuable piece. If it falls to 5 it's still valuable but less so than if it were Ben simmons. Still a good asset regardless. The rest of the picks, as trade assets, not as players (Draymond etc.) But just as numbers like we'll give you 33 and 45 for 12. Not that valuable which is all I've ever said.
Thank you for taking the time to have a thoughtful, adult discussion and not being a ho. I truly appreciate you, you're alright.Edited by leemelone - 2/12/16 at 10:18am