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I know there's a lot to it but when these kids start having great playoff performances, I'll crown them.

Until then, they are kids with great potential and are fun to watch

Exactly. I called people turning on AD when they set unrealistic expectations, and hyped him crazy. He still super talented. ESPN said he was the best player THIS year at the beginning of the season. Too soon.

They gotta go out there and earn it before being crowned.
 
Is it a stretch to say that KAT will be a top 10 player in the league by this time next year? 

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I see him starting to decline next year. Borderline starting material. Leveled off after hitting Peak in December of his rookie year.

That's just how NT judges 19-20 year olds tho. *shrugs*

What about being top 3 in his second season like AD? is AD top 3 all-time
By now?

My bad, you thought he was the best player in the nba and would be even better this year.


I said AD would be top 3 last year. I was wrong. He was #1.

I have zero doubt he will be even better next year with Gentry.


Has he regressed? We can make comments like this but can't think a player has regressed?

He hasn't regressed at all. He's been banged up a lot. But on the court, he's just as great.
 
That's fine and great, and he could turn the corner because he is young.

But he has regressed from year one to year two. It is what it is. You can blame it on system, what Sam is asking him to do, etc. but they've put the ball in his hands more this season, and he's passed less, shot worse, and has shown a general apathy or disregard rather, for making plays for others. 

Maybe he improves his handle and can play P&R and start making plays more in the future, but don't let Kobe's improvements throughout his career be a guide. In general, young players don't go from having no creative offensive skills to having even good offensive skills. In general, players don't go from shooting 24% from 3 to being league average with volume. It just doesn't happen that often. 

So he could absolutely improve like I said, but to expect a HUGE jump because of his age is kind of naive. 
 
Regress is a simpler term for what's going on. You're right.

Most NBA players work very hard during the off-season and mid-season to improve. They get stronger, they understand the game more, add moves to counter what's in the scouting report, get more accustomed to the schedule, refine their strengths and work on their weaknesses. Basically everyone does this. Yet the amount of improvement guys make statistically after Year 1 really isn't much. You can become a better basketball player but it may not translate to a better TS%, Assist rate, PER, rebound rate, etc.

The NBA is really tough. Wiggins may have improved as a player - but the rest of the league has the scouting report on him. It's what the "sophomore slump" is. It's up to him to adjust and make a leap.
 
Originally Posted by WavyCrocket  
I know there's a lot to it but when these kids start having great playoff performances, I'll crown them.

Until then, they are kids with great potential and are fun to watch
Exactly. I called people turning on AD when they set unrealistic expectations, and hyped him crazy. He still super talented. ESPN said he was the best player THIS year at the beginning of the season. Too soon.

They gotta go out there and earn it before being crowned.
We both did, I definitely remember that.

That's how it goes though with this ebb & flow ****. GOAT, overrated, trash, GOAT, overrated, trash, GOAT, overrated...
 
^ I don't understand why teams don't just go crazy at the trade deadline. If you aren't the cavs, Warriors, Spurs, or thunder, (maybe Toronto or heat), you really have no shot at the finals. Why not just start trading superstars for superstars and see how it goes. Blake, cp3, melo, Dwight, and others should just be on the block and send them to other teams.
 
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^ I don't understand why teams don't just go crazy at the trade deadline. If you aren't the cavs, Warriors, Spurs, or thunder, (maybe Toronto or heat), you really have no shot at the finals. Why not just start trading superstars for superstars and see how it goes. Blake, cp3, melo, Dwight, and others should just be on the block and send them to other teams.
Why would the Clips have CP3 on the trade block??
 
^ I don't understand why teams don't just go crazy at the trade deadline. If you aren't the cavs, Warriors, Spurs, or thunder, (maybe Toronto or heat), you really have no shot at the finals. Why not just start trading superstars for superstars and see how it goes. Blake, cp3, melo, Dwight, and others should just be on the block and send them to other teams.
Why would the Clips have CP3 on the trade block??

Why not? They aren't going to come out of the west, just see what they can get for him. They are not going to win in their current form. Why not see what else they can do.

It feels like the bucks are the only team that are actually active with the trades. They've been doing a kid of trades the last few year, trying to see how people fit together. I'm just surprised more teams don't give it a shot.
 
^ I don't understand why teams don't just go crazy at the trade deadline. If you aren't the cavs, Warriors, Spurs, or thunder, (maybe Toronto or heat), you really have no shot at the finals. Why not just start trading superstars for superstars and see how it goes. Blake, cp3, melo, Dwight, and others should just be on the block and send them to other teams.

And trade guys just for the sake of trading them? Teams make trades to try and get better, not just because they can. If the Clippers were to trade either Blake or CP it means they're giving up on their core and starting over. No reason for them to do that in the middle of the season. They can just let things play out and see where they're at in the Summer.
 
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 be honest bro how many Wolves games have you caught this year and last :lol:

I've watched damb near all of them.. I am a big Wiggins fan, I just don't see him being much more than a good scorer.. that's not even a knock on him. He's not going to magically become someone who can create for others.. he has the ball in his hands A LOT no reason he can't at least get 3 a game. Don't get me started with his rebounding.

He's a kill only player, ain't eem mad. I just don't see a superstar. But that's just my opinion. 

Probably a dozen or so last year, maybe 15-20 so far this year.

And I don’t have any issue with the kid.

You guys wanna use stats and shooting percentages, and pi squared divided by 16 footers, that’s all glorious, but that doesn’t tell you jack **** about what he’s asked to do.

You, nor I, knows what Sam Mitchell asks him to do. Or what they practice, and tell him they want from him. Or Rubio. Or Towns, etc. Maybe they want him ISO’ing all the time. Maybe they want him to focus on scoring, now, and later on down the line they will ask him to distribute, once the double/triple teams start coming.

Maybe “regress” is just for lack of a better term or something, and not really indicative of how he’s actually growing in his own game. Which you can’t put a damn stat on. Kobe’s 3 point shooting got worse his first 3 years. Then it leveled off again 2 years later. In his SEVENTH year, he jumped big time with his long range shooting. Both in volume, and accuracy. Seven. Years. He added a nice weapon to his arsenal. Thru work. Wiggins, from what I can tell, will work. As hard as Kobe? I dunno, none of us do, maybe he’ll work even harder. Kobe wasn’t locking anyone down in 96-97-98-99, and then suddenly he started working on defense over the all-star break with Payton and suddenly he started to become proficient at it. Within a year he was really good.

Magic in the late 80’s would come back each year with a new skill, or much improved one. Be it simple things like free throws, or adding the 3 to his game.

I would think a Timberwolve fanbase would remember KG in year 1-2 wasn’t much, and 2-3 years later, boom. I guess if it were today, February of KG’s second year, we’d be saying KG hit his peak, he’s just a nice talented player, never gonna be much more than an ok scorer, or decent rebounder, blah blah blah.

Wiggins may just be focused on scoring this year. Maybe next year he’ll focus on passing out of double teams. The year after defense. Year after that, 3 ball. The next year rebounding better. It’s adding to your game as you go along. Age 20-21-22-23 etc. It’s what the coaching staff asks him to work on, and improve on. You don’t just go into an offseason and say focus on improving everything. You focus on an area and work on that area, year after year. Add it to your repertoire. To already be calling him Rudy Gay, or DeMar DeRozan (is DeMar not having a career best year, now, years into his career? :nerd: ) Players add to their game, it takes time, it takes work, it takes years. It doesn’t just show up on basketball reference the day he starts working on it.

You guys wanna run around and call him regressed, and lower his ceiling, and he’s Rudy G 2.0, go on ahead. I see a talented as hell kid learning on the fly and now adding another super baby to his team to work and grow with. If he has the hunger in him to be in the gym non-stop during the off-season, he’ll be just fine. And you guys and your readymade labels will look absolutely foolish. If he doesn’t work like that, and just wants to gun and no coach(es) will get thru to him, then I’ll look foolish.

TY



Regression is the most misused word when it comes to young athletes like this. I use the example with young quarterbacks all the time, but when you see a guy struggle in years 2 and/or 3, it is not always that the player get worse. Stats may "regress," but when you start asking a quarterback to read certain things in a defense, call his own plays, run check with me's at the line and overall take on a heavier and different load, it takes time and slows the instincts as there is more thinking involved as practice starts to get implemented in gametime action. To what CP said, we have no idea what Wiggins is really being told and what he's trying to implement in year two, let alone all the other factors that come along with his circumstance. I would chill and wait a few more years. Regression talk in year 2 makes little sense. You aren't more polished as a rookie and that's in almost every case.
 
The next step for these young T-Wolves players is now going to be to learn how to win in this league.

Ricky Rubio has played in 250 games, he's 102-148 (.408)
Andrew Wiggins has played in 136 games, he's 33-103 (.242)
Towns thus far is 17-37

This is close to 100% on the Timberwolves blame though I will say that.
 
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