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Originally Posted by Addict4Sneakers View Post

Duncan definitely wasn't guarding Dirk during those Spurs/ Mavs series

i wish he would've though. dirk would've averaged 40

Lakers tho...

Lakers tho...

post #74672 of 93193
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html#advanced_pbp::none

according to basketball reference, even in his early years as a PF, he was spending over 40% of the time playing center, before making the full time switch. he's a center. not a PF.
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post #74673 of 93193
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Originally Posted by CP1708 View Post

So, in 2004-05 Tim was the PF and Robert Horry was the Center?

He didn't switch over in 07, he switched over after Admiral left.

Duncan was playing Center in 2004 during the .4 series. Same as 05 when Horry was on the team. Horry wasn't playin Center next to Duncan.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2004_depth.html

The depth charts are right there man laugh.gif. Timmy was playing next to Rasho after Admiral left. Harry was the 6th man and played down the stretch. But Timmy always started at PF.

Lineups change of course over the course of the playoffs. But saying Tim didn't play the C because he played some minutes with Horry is like saying Draymond is a full time Center because of the "death lineup"
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post #74674 of 93193
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post #74675 of 93193
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Originally Posted by Freeze View Post

it's still so weird to me that kobe is nearing his final game. 20 years flies by. It's a shame those injuries finally too their toll. Got guys that are older still flourishing. I've never retired from anything. I wonder what it's like to do something for that period of time, and then decide you're over it. I wonder how that feels. Any older members dealt with that yet? Only thing in my life that closely resembles that has been school. Finished the Masters program not too long ago. Was hella over it by the end.

I've never dealt with it, but I was chatting with a co-worker who was retiring and he was saying that it has similarities to dealing with a death. The grief comes from the change in the day to day aspects of your life and also the shift of your identity. When I asked for a comparison, he dumbed it down to my experience level and compared it to breaking up with the love of your life after 20-30 years because of circumstances outside of your control. You know they're still out there, but your time is up and you have to move on. That's why sometimes people try to come back, get depressed, or just flounder. 

 

For Kobe, I wonder what he's going to do next. I doubt it'll be basketball, the way that he works at things, it doesn't seem to fit any of the front office, TV personality, or coaching roles that most players transition to after their playing days. It'd be funny if he went full Jordan and bought a team. It seems like he's going to work on business prospects and that world is huge, he could theoretically do anything. His crossover potential to China is massive, and his image alone has tremendous impact globally. 

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Even when he was a 4 it was only a part time gig. He spent almost half his time at the 5. For his career it's no contest, he's primarily been a 5. He would have a completely different legacy if not for this elaborate ruse. Less all star selections, less all NBA teams, less all defense squads, less blocks and so on.
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Even Spurs coach Gregg Popovich seemed to acknowledge the charade on the eve of last year’s playoff series against Utah. When asked who the Spurs would start at center, Popovich said, “Tim Duncan, like we have for the last 15 years.”


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"It's great. I have an opportunity to make the team now," Duncan said after the Spurs 128-110 win over the Orlando Magic on Wednesday. "To have an opportunity to be back on the ballot and to be at the forward, and to have a chance to start, it's an honor."


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For years, the San Antonio Spurs’ mellow superstar has masqueraded as a power forward really by name only. When Yao Ming entered the league in 2002-03, he generated such an enormous number votes from his home country that there was no way Duncan, who broke in with the Spurs alongside 10-time All-Star center David Robinson, would have ever started an All-Star game if classified as a center. As a power forward, Duncan started 12 consecutive All-Star games from 2000 to 2011.

This is what happens when sports fans fall victim to groupthink and herd mentality and forgot to think for themselves. The truth is out there..
post #74677 of 93193
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So from 97-07 Tim Duncan was playing a majority of his minutes as a PF.

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post #74678 of 93193
All this focus on what Timmy doesn't do to be considered a PF, acting like the dude this argument is really about (Dirk) does everything a PF does.

He's allergic to the basket, but he's a big?

PF/C is who we call bigs. So he's a big? Yeah, he's a big GUY, 7 feet. But staying away from the basket as much as he does, he's a big?

Y'all trying to reduce Timmy to a Participation Award because he doesn't perfectly fit the PF mild... to protect a guy who doesn't, either.
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post #74679 of 93193
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So for his career Tim Duncan was playing a majority of his minutes as a C.

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Yes.
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post #74680 of 93193
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http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html#advanced_pbp::none

according to basketball reference, even in his early years as a PF, he was spending over 40% of the time playing center, before making the full time switch. he's a center. not a PF.

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Am I going crazy or did I just post this laugh.gif

Of course he's listed as a 4 on the depth chart, that's the whole scam laugh.gif. If you believe that I have some 1 on 1 Nigerian private basketball lessons I can interest you in. Open your eyes people

Eventually there will be a nylon calculus article on this and everyone will see the light. Until then folks will continue to bury their head in the sand and follow the Orwellian narrative. It is what it is.
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Originally Posted by DarthSka View Post

Repped. Put you from 1647 to 1653. smokin.gif

(How's it feel?)
I wouldn't know Ska but I'd just like to state I agree with all of your opinions and decisions. No reason.
post #74682 of 93193
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Originally Posted by DarthSka View Post

All this focus on what Timmy doesn't do to be considered a PF, acting like the dude this argument is really about (Dirk) does everything a PF does.

He's allergic to the basket, but he's a big?

PF/C is who we call bigs. So he's a big? Yeah, he's a big GUY, 7 feet. But staying away from the basket as much as he does, he's a big?

Y'all trying to reduce Timmy to a Participation Award because he doesn't perfectly fit the PF mild... to protect a guy who doesn't, either.

Dirk has been one of the best and most efficient post scorers in the league for a decade. he does his work in the mid post and high post. He may catch with his back to the basket but he's doing his damage by facing up. Hakeem faced up a lot too.

Dirk ain't out here just hoisting catch and shoot jumpers
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I don't mind Timmy being a C.

 

I mind him being a C so we can slide Dirk in as the GPFOAT.

 

Move Timmy to the 5 so we can call Dirk the GPFOAT? Nah, move Timmy to the 5 and move Dirk's post-allergies to the 3, then.

 

Can't call him the GSFOAT, because Bird and Bron.

 

And now we're right back where we started with Duncan and Yao: trying to shift things around to big up someone who doesn't fit as is.

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post #74684 of 93193
For comparison





These dudes have played PF as much as Duncan played C but Timmy is the goat? Nah

It's not that we're moving Tim to the 5, it's that he IS a 5 and pretty much always has been
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Am I going crazy or did I just post this laugh.gif

Of course he's listed as a 4 on the depth chart, that's the whole scam laugh.gif. If you believe that I have some 1 on 1 Nigerian private basketball lessons I can interest you in. Open your eyes people

Eventually there will be a nylon calculus article on this and everyone will see the light. Until then folks will continue to bury their head in the sand and follow the Orwellian narrative. It is what it is.

Anyway you cut it....Tim Duncan's most successful years came when he played a majority of his MINUTES as a PF.

So yes. If he retired in '07...from 97-07....Tim Duncan played the majority of his minutes as a PF. This is a fact.
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post #74686 of 93193
He played the first leg of his career as a PF, the most dominant leg of it. Idk man I see where everyone is coming from but he's a PF in my book. Not so I can rank him as X player on Y list, but because that's how I remember him and saw him play from the beginning.

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post #74687 of 93193
I don't even know why this matters. He's one of the best big men in the history of the league. Greatest player of his generation. Call him a PG if you want.
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Originally Posted by DarthSka View Post

I don't mind Timmy being a C.

I mind him being a C so we can slide Dirk in as the GPFOAT.

Move Timmy to the 5 so we can call Dirk the GPFOAT? Nah, move Timmy to the 5 and move Dirk's post-allergies to the 3, then.

Can't call him the GSFOAT, because Bird and Bron.

And now we're right back where we started with Duncan and Yao: trying to shift things around to big up someone who doesn't fit as is.

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post #74689 of 93193
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Originally Posted by DarthSka View Post

All this focus on what Timmy doesn't do to be considered a PF, acting like the dude this argument is really about (Dirk) does everything a PF does.

He's allergic to the basket, but he's a big?

PF/C is who we call bigs. So he's a big? Yeah, he's a big GUY, 7 feet. But staying away from the basket as much as he does, he's a big?

Y'all trying to reduce Timmy to a Participation Award because he doesn't perfectly fit the PF mild... to protect a guy who doesn't, either.

he's a stretch 4. he basically a prototypical 4. Stays in the post or midrange and can hit from long distance. He doesn't get many boards or finish at the rim that often, doesnt really bang down low. I have him akin to a lamarcus type. Although pop his been putting him in the post. I remember lamarcus said vehemently that he doesn't want to play center laugh.gif

Lakers tho...

Lakers tho...

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Anyway you cut it....Tim Duncan's most successful years came when he played a majority of his MINUTES as a PF.

So yes. If he retired in '07...from 97-07....Tim Duncan played the majority of his minutes as a PF. This is a fact.

How is that a fact when the facts are right there and say otherwise? When the man himself and his coach say it's not a fact?

How?


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He played the first leg of his career as a PF, the most dominant leg of it. Idk man I see where everyone is coming from but he's a PF in my book. Not so I can rank him as X player on Y list, but because that's how I remember him and saw him play from the beginning.

When is the first leg? 3 years of an almost 20 year career? He's been a part timer his whole career.
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Originally Posted by erupt107th View Post

I don't even know why this matters. He's one of the best big men in the history of the league. Greatest player of his generation. Call him a PG if you want.

Pretty much. Anyway you cut it....Timmy is the greatest player since Jordan hung em up. Firmly top 10. Arguably top 5 all time.

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Tim Duncan definitely appreciated. Top 25 player of all-time. pimp.gif
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Originally Posted by leemelone View Post

How is that a fact when the facts are right there and say otherwise? When the man himself and the coach say it's not a fact?

How?

Facts because of the numbers you posted. If you averaged out timmys minutes spent at PF from 97-07...the MAJORITY" of minutes spent at PF would be more than his time spent as a Center.

In that time period from 97-07 where he spent the "majority" of his minutes as a PF he won 4 chips, 3 finals MVPs, 2 MVPs as well as a slew of other accolades.

Even in the pic y'all posted... 5/7 of the years in that pic...Tim played the MAJORITY of his minutes as a PF. That's how that's a fact laugh.gif.
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post #74694 of 93193
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Originally Posted by DarthSka View Post

All this focus on what Timmy doesn't do to be considered a PF, acting like the dude this argument is really about (Dirk) does everything a PF does.

He's allergic to the basket, but he's a big?

PF/C is who we call bigs. So he's a big? Yeah, he's a big GUY, 7 feet. But staying away from the basket as much as he does, he's a big?

Y'all trying to reduce Timmy to a Participation Award because he doesn't perfectly fit the PF mild... to protect a guy who doesn't, either.
Yea I have an extremely difficult time labeling Dirk as the best PF ever because of ONE good run. And if anyone disagrees, I never heard any "DIRK #1 PF EVER" before 2011. NOBODY would say that with a straight face.

Borderline blasphemous when he wasn't a great defender not rebounder at that spot when we've had other PFs who rebounded & defended at a high level while also being great scorers.

And he was a fantastic scorer...... who was routinely either slowed down or taken completely out of the game by smaller players every season except one.

Nah, man.
  
  
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At the end of the day I'm just glad I got to see his career from beginning to end. It was a privilege.

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That‘s all you had to say...

Dirk easily HOF lock. Easily a legend, a pioneer, a once in a lifetime.
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The word "facts" gets thrown around way too much on NT.
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Originally Posted by Chester McFloppy View Post

The word "facts" gets thrown around way too much on NT.

I mean when you're debating...especially statistics..."facts" are important.

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Facts because of the numbers you posted. If you averaged out timmys minutes spent at PF from 97-07...the MAJORITY" of minutes spent at PF would be more than his time spent as a Center.

In that time period from 97-07 where he spent the "majority" of his minutes as a PF he won 4 chips, 3 finals MVPs, 2 MVPs as well as a slew of other accolades.

Even in the pic y'all posted... 5/7 of the years in that pic...Tim played the MAJORITY of his minutes as a PF. That's how that's a fact laugh.gif.

Compared to dudes that actually played the position? You can't rank him over actual pfs. By those numbers it's almost 50/50 PF/C, not quite 60/40. Then you have him admitting that it gives him a chance to make the asg and his own coach exposing him to the world. But whatever, believe what you want.
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All this focus on what Timmy doesn't do to be considered a PF, acting like the dude this argument is really about (Dirk) does everything a PF does.

He's allergic to the basket, but he's a big?

PF/C is who we call bigs. So he's a big? Yeah, he's a big GUY, 7 feet. But staying away from the basket as much as he does, he's a big?

Y'all trying to reduce Timmy to a Participation Award because he doesn't perfectly fit the PF mild... to protect a guy who doesn't, either.
Yea I have an extremely difficult time labeling Dirk as the best PF ever because of ONE good run.

Borderline blasphemous when he wasn't a great defender not rebounder at that spot when we've had other PFs who rebounded & defended at a high level while also being great scorers.

And he was a fantastic scorer...... who was routinely either slowed down or taken completely out of the game by smaller players every season except one.

Nah, man.

My cape is activated.

One legendary run. A run where he destroyed 7 future hall of famers. Also he's never played alongside another all NBA player in their prime.

Sure he's not a great rebounder but he's a career 25-10 guy in the playoffs. Only other players to do so are like Hakeem, Bob petit, and Elgin Baylor

And he's been tearing apart SFs for almost a decade. That's like slandering Kobe for poor playoff performances early in his career.

No, Dirk isn't a defender. No argument there. But he's 37 and still looks like he's got multiple seasons left. KG has been a camp counselor for a few years. Malone was a laker. Tim Duncan is a center. Barkley didn't have the title or the longevity
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