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Abematic said:
DMan14 said:
dare i say top 5 :nerd:
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You can! 
Dude's been ballin'.  I don't know another 1-2 punch that's as lethal as Steph and Green pick and roll. 
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i think the biggest piece is their chemistry. they compliment eat other. and they genuinely seem like they're homies. russ and kd are a powerful combo, but its still way too much push and pull with them. there are no defined roles.

somebody shop steph and dray head on shrek and donkey
 
Freeze said:
what makes kawhi so special, besdies his defense, and his newly acquired 3 pt shooting?


what are we basing our judgements on when we decide a player should be the franchise and the one you build around? the one that scores the most? passes the most? if jimmy butler is a good player, but not a real leader, is he still the franchise player? the one you build around? is it based on mental strengths as much as physical ability?
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Kawhi is the epitome of Spurs basketball. He just does everything right in that system. His skills are perfect for the org. He wouldn't fare as well in other teams or systems doe, but he would still be a good player.

Jimmy Buckets has the skills to be the franchise player, but he has alienated several of his teammates to the point where he can't be the man
 
lakersman3000 said:
you just said he does nothing better then  blake two message ago.
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Was speaking in hyperbole there. Green is a better defender and 3pt shooter I believe, but not by that much and actual facts support that (in regards to defense). Everything else Blake is better than draymond at. The idea that Dray is better than blake is fun, but what supports that?

You said Draymond is better than blake. How? At what? And then back up your claim. Factually he really isn't better than blake and its a hard comparison to make because they are asked to do different things for their respective teams
 
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eddiengambino said:
Jimmy Buckets has the skills to be the franchise player, but he has alienated several of his teammates to the point where he can't be the man
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Too busy trying to take over a role he isn't built for yet. If he took the quiet route like Kawhi there wouldn't be so much friction in our locker room :smh:
 
eddiengambino said:
Kawhi is the epitome of Spurs basketball. He just does everything right in that system. His skills are perfect for the org. He wouldn't fare as well in other teams or systems doe, but he would still be a good player.

Jimmy Buckets has the skills to be the franchise player, but he has alienated several of his teammates to the point where he can't be the man
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Kawhi would be good anywhere. When you can defend, shoot, rebound and play hard & smart like him....you'll have success wherever.

People talk about his newfound 3ball...and he's much improved. But even before this season, he was a career 38% 3point shooter.
 
WavyCrocket said:
Kawhi would be good anywhere. When you can defend, shoot, rebound and play hard & smart like him....you'll have success wherever.

People talk about his newfound 3ball...and he's much improved. But even before this season, he was a career 38% 3point shooter.
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Well I just meant he is a star in the Spurs system

If he were to start off his career in lets say the Lakers or Wizards, he would be a more offensively gifted Trevor Ariza
Of course if you trade Kawhi right now he would still flourish
 
Green is great, but let's not also forget that in the pick and roll, teams usually choose to trap Curry, thus giving Green all that room to operate.

Might be a different story for Green if he played with a different point guard who isn't as dangerous a scorer as Curry.
 
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Freeze said:
what makes kawhi so special, besdies his defense, and his newly acquired 3 pt shooting?


what are we basing our judgements on when we decide a player should be the franchise and the one you build around? the one that scores the most? passes the most? if jimmy butler is a good player, but not a real leader, is he still the franchise player? the one you build around? is it based on mental strengths as much as physical ability?
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Kawhi is the epitome of Spurs basketball. He just does everything right in that system. His skills are perfect for the org. He wouldn't fare as well in other teams or systems doe, but he would still be a good player.

Jimmy Buckets has the skills to be the franchise player, but he has alienated several of his teammates to the point where he can't be the man
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like, it brings me back to the discussion we had last week. flip kawhi and pg, whom works out best? i feel like kawhi, outside of defense, doesnt quite have the talent pg has. but kawhi is a perfect cog in the spurs system. where as, pg may not be, simply because of his ability to do so much more and that wouldnt be asked of him there. Like, LMA, dude sseems hella unhappy compared to how he was in Portland. His squad is winning, but just looking at his face you doesnt seem like he enjoys it as much. Not being the guy. Even though he knew this going in, I'm sure reality hit him the first time he was wide out and 18 feet and was waved off for a duncan layup
 
Freeze said:
what makes kawhi so special, besdies his defense, and his newly acquired 3 pt shooting?


what are we basing our judgements on when we decide a player should be the franchise and the one you build around? the one that scores the most? passes the most? if jimmy butler is a good player, but not a real leader, is he still the franchise player? the one you build around? is it based on mental strengths as much as physical ability?
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Kawhi, he's pretty good at getting his shots off, especially in the middle range area. Once he gets deeper into the paint, he'll do turn around with one hand hooked shots that are high percentage. 

Basically, he can get to his spots and is very good at doing it and making it.

Mid range monsta. 
 
shoeking2102 said:
Was speaking in hyperbole there. Green is a better defender I believe, but not by that much and actual facts support that. Everything else Blake is better than draymond at. The idea that Dray is better than blake is fun, but what supports that?

You said Draymond is better than blake. How? At what? And then back up your claim. Factually he really isn't better than blake and its a hard comparison to make because they are asked to do different things for their respective teams
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hes a better defender. dont give me stats, you are the worst when it comes to try and drop stats to prove a point. stats arent everything and dont tell the whole story.

  dray is a way better defender and its not close.

 . can defend almost anyone one on one ,

 dray is also the better passer. blake is a better scorer, dray a better shooter.  

dray is not a number one option, yes we know that. 

 i would say dray plays his role and is better at his role then blake is at his. id rather have draymond and find a first option for him to play with and be robin then have blake as my batman ...... 
 
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Abematic said:
Kawhi, he's pretty good at getting his shots off, especially in the middle range area. Once he gets deeper into the paint, he'll do turn around with one hand hooked shots that are high percentage. 

Basically, he can get to his spots and is very good at doing it and making it.
Mid range monsta. 
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Kawhi only developed that mid range game in the last two years, just right now he's finally fully developed in that department
He wasn't doing what you said until his first Finals when they lost against the Heat
The growth of Leonard has been interesting
He doesn't have great handles, his form isn't perfect, yet he just can flat out score now
I'm sure Pop wasn't even expecting this
 
If john wall or draymond are your best players u will pat yourself on the back for having 2nd round appearances. Wall being the best player will have the same results of cp3 being the best player
 
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amel223 said:
Green is great, but let's not also forget that in the pick and roll, teams usually choose to trap Curry, thus giving Green all that room to operate.

Might be a different story for Green if he played with a different point guard who isn't as dangerous a scorer as Curry.
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So basically playing with 2015 rose, draymond would be trash
 
lakersman3000 said:
hes a better defender. dont give me stats, you are the worst when it comes to try and drop stats to prove a point. stats arent everything .

  dray is a way better defender and its not close. . can defend almost anyone one on one ,
 dray is also the better passer. blake is a better scorer, dray a better shooter.  

dray is not a number one option, yes we know that. 
 i would say dray plays his role and is better at his role then blake is at his. id rather have draymond and find a first option for him to play with and be robin then have blake as my batman ...... 
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Stats aren't everything. That is true.

But neither is what you see.

You say Draymond is a WAY better defender and a better passer. What if I disagree? Is my eyesight wrong there or something :lol:?

This is where the actual numbers come into play. It supports or doesnt support what you actually see because sometimes (not all cases) what you see isnt reality. This year alone I've seen blake check everyone from Reggie Jackson to AD to PG and KD and from my vantage point he was fantastic. From my eyesight it also appears that blake is better than draymond at shooting everywhere on the floor but the three point line. Right or wrong, but thats what I see. So now from what I've seen I think draymond isnt that much of a better defender than blake. See how easy it is to construct an opinion based on what I see?

You trust your eyesight 100% And dismiss the actual facts. I use both to come to a conlusion that I think is sound. Sorry you dont understand that
 
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only thing blake does better is score.[

Abematic said:
Kawhi, he's pretty good at getting his shots off, especially in the middle range area. Once he gets deeper into the paint, he'll do turn around with one hand hooked shots that are high percentage. 

Basically, he can get to his spots and is very good at doing it and making it.
Mid range monsta. 
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Kawhi only developed that mid range game in the last two years, just right now he's finally fully developed in that department
He wasn't doing what you said until his first Finals when they lost against the Heat
The growth of Leonard has been interesting
He doesn't have great handles, his form isn't perfect, yet he just can flat out score now
I'm sure Pop wasn't even expecting this[/quote]

he's developed and also allowed to do much more. his first couple seasons he was deferring, but we saw even in the first finals, that he was capable of being their number 1.
you dont need great handles to get your shots off. he can dribble once or twice and get a clean look or like someone said, back you down and shoot that hook.
what surprised me was his 3pt shot since he wasn't really showing it in college.


as for jimmy, he's trying to be the man both on the court and vocally in the locker room. rose was never that guy to off the court, it was noah. with the decline in rose, jimmy is stepping up, but who knows if guys are ready. i do think they need to trade and blow up that "core"
 
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@Freeze  , 

About Jimmy Butler to refer to your question. 

He's forcing himself to a leader for THE team. He's trying to push the leadership issue on his teammates and they definitely are not vibing with him on it. 

His play making ability is decent - solid, at best. 

Him creating his own shots, he's not so great at right now.. 

Ball handling, he's gotten better but not enough to evade defense and double team on screens. 

But when he drives to the hoop, he's pretty good at drawing fouls and finishing the lay ups. 

He is improving a lot but face of franchise? Nah. 
 
shoeking2102 said:
Stats aren't everything. That is true.

But neither is what you see.

You say Draymond is a WAY better defender and a better passer. What if I disagree? Is my eyesight wrong there or something
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This is where the actual numbers come into play. It supports or doesnt support what you actually see because sometimes (not all cases) what you see isnt reality. This year alone I've seen blake check everyone from Reggie Jackson to AD to PG and KD and from my vantage point he was fantastic. From my eyesight it also appears that blake is better than draymond at shooting everywhere on the floor but the three point line. Right or wrong, but thats what I see. So now from what I've seen I think draymond isnt that much of a better defender than blake. See how easy it is to construct an opinion based on what I see?

You trust your eyesight 100% And dismiss the actual facts. I use both to come to a conlusion that I think is sound. Sorry you dont understand that
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if you want to go by eye sight and both stats. dray is a way better defender. when blake finishes top 3 on the defensive player of the year list let me know. dont be such a homer,  be realistic. 
 
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eddiengambino said:
Kawhi only developed that mid range game in the last two years, just right now he's finally fully developed in that department
He wasn't doing what you said until his first Finals when they lost against the Heat
The growth of Leonard has been interesting
He doesn't have great handles, his form isn't perfect, yet he just can flat out score now
I'm sure Pop wasn't even expecting this
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That's how good he's gotten in such short amount of times. 

He's a basic scorer, "I can't cross you over but i'm gonna take you to my sweet spots and just score on you."

Plus it helps that his hands are huge and arms are long and his hang time are long. 

**Pause**
 
Willchamberlain said:
If john wall or draymond are your best players u will pat yourself on the back for having 2nd round appearances. Wall being the best player will have the same results of cp3 being the best player
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Still doesn't explain why you think Green is better at what he does then Wall. You blame Wall for not being able to win a title averaging 20 and 10 as a top defensive PG. Winning a title takes more then just your star player. If your not willing to factor in the team they play for then by your logic there are no star players. Curry wouldn't have won without Klay, Green etc. LeBron wouldn't have won without Wade, Bosh, Ray.
 
Who is the face of the clippers, cp3 or blake?

who is the face or the franchise of each team? Let's see if there is a pattern here.

is this person always the best player?

the the team captain title mean anything besides being the one that goes to takes pix with the little kids before tip off?
 
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lakersman3000 said:
if you want to go by eye sight and both stats. dray is a way better defender. when blake finishes top 3 on the defensive player of the year list let me know. dont be such a homer,  be realistic. 
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Im not being realistic?

What :rofl: bro I'm using actual facts man it dont get more realistic than that. This has nothing to do with being a homer.

How can Draymond be a way better defender than blake if players shoot abt the same % against blake as they do draymond? How sway?

You ignoring the facts of this actually the unrealistic part of all of this b

Draymond is a very good, versatile defender thats on a great defensive team which is why he finished top 3 in DPoy. That has nothing to do with this here though
 
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Willchamberlain said:
If john wall or draymond are your best players u will pat yourself on the back for having 2nd round appearances. Wall being the best player will have the same results of cp3 being the best player
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Still doesn't explain why you think Green is better at what he does then Wall. You blame Wall for not being able to win a title averaging 20 and 10 as a top defensive PG. Winning a title takes more then just your star player. If your not willing to factor in the team they play for then by your logic there are no star players. Curry wouldn't have won without Klay, Green etc. LeBron wouldn't have won without Wade, Bosh, Ray.
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regardless of everything else...this is actual fact.

and top 10 chalmers.
 
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