2015-2016 NBA Regular Season - MDA to HOU - All-NBA - Harden snubbed - Anthony Davis is broke

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shoeking2102 said:
What I do agree with you on is that coaching matters on the margins, but not as much as people think. The stagnation that you see from a Houston or OKC is more so due to the lack of imagination and intuitiveness from players, not the coach. Again, for reference the best offenses in the league are that way because of player personnel, not the coach's playcalling. A lot of the great stuff you see is plain old intuition from the player, not the coach.
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This contradicts what you're saying about how OKC's talent would've won them a championship then. You think Westbrook leading the OKC offense would have resulted in this? :lol: Maybe if they still had Harden, but without him I don't see it. Harden is what helped make OKC so dangerous in their one final appearance. He wasn't the best player, but he is what made their offense so damn scary and it took a lot of the pressure off Russ and KD to be the playmaker.
 
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lakersman3000 said:
 
i disagree. they win alot of games on talent but when  it gets deep in the playoffs i cant see that offense winning it all. healthy kd or not.  coaching does matter but people it doesnt matter as much as people think it does. 

weve seen talented teams win it with average coaches. big 3 in boston couldve won with any coach. look at first year coach kerr winning the chip..... 
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Bro, Overwhelming talent wins out almost every single time. 

There is no way you honestly think a team with Harden, Westbrook, Durant, and Ibaka, all on the same team wouldn't or couldn't be able to win it all, health provided. 

They have literally been stopped by luck. That's really it. You never bet against youth and talent that good. At least I don't think. 

What I do agree with you on is that coaching matters on the margins, but not as much as people think. The stagnation that you see from a Houston or OKC is more so due to the lack of imagination and intuitiveness from players, not the coach. Again, for reference the best offenses in the league are that way because of player personnel, not the coach's playcalling. A lot of the great stuff you see is plain old intuition from the player, not the coach.
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riddle me this..how do you split up the pill 3 ways? alpha russ. alpha james. when healthy, alpha kd. who gets the ball end of game? you cant have 3 kings fam. no kingdom has ever had that. phil jackson wouldnt be able to get them on the same page. They'd all be sitting thinking they're better than each other. they'd have to comprimise and let serge airball the last shot.
 
iLLiCiT305 said:
 
i hope russell stays alone in OKC or goes somewhere wack (lolakers) and ends up murking other teams and winning a chip on his own so we can finally see who the pointgod is and how much better he is then KD and harden 
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I honestly hope the underlined happens so you can see the exact opposite outcome
 
lakersman3000 said:
 
agreed.... these dudes cant see that  those 3 stars that dont fit together but whatevers.

 .... harden and westbrook need to dominate the ball. its really easy to see. 
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the only went to a finals together and lost to a miami heat team that went to the finals 4 years in a row , they definately sucked playing together 
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 it cracks me up when people say these type of things , great players will be great together , you dont see everyone confused and lost in all star games , you see them scoring and passing alley oops like if they had been playing together their whole career........people need to realize there can only be one champion per year .
 
Freeze said:
riddle me this..how do you split up the pill 3 ways? alpha russ. alpha james. when healthy, alpha kd. who gets the ball end of game? you cant have 3 kings fam. no kingdom has ever had that. phil jackson wouldnt be able to get them on the same page. They'd all be sitting thinking they're better than each other. they'd have to comprimise and let serge airball the last shot.
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this is common sense....... 
 
iLLiCiT305 said:
 
the only went to a finals together and lost to a miami heat team that went to the finals 4 years in a row , they definately sucked playing together 
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 it cracks me up when people say these type of things , great players will be great together , you dont see everyone confused and lost in all star games , you see them scoring and passing alley oops like if they had been playing together their whole career........people need to realize there can only be one champion per year .
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they went to one finals and harden then isnt the harden of today..... he wouldnt have been okay with coming off the bench when hes as talented as he is. and russ and harden in a starting lu together today would not work. 
 
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Freeze said:
riddle me this..how do you split up the pill 3 ways? alpha russ. alpha james. when healthy, alpha kd. who gets the ball end of game? you cant have 3 kings fam. no kingdom has ever had that. phil jackson wouldnt be able to get them on the same page. They'd all be sitting thinking they're better than each other. they'd have to comprimise and let serge airball the last shot.
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The thing is though, that even without Harden a team with Ibaka / Durant / Westbrook is overwhelming enough to win it all. They haven't had a fair shake because of health. Those three work in great tandem together and by all accounts, there is no friction between those three. 
 
shoeking2102 said:
 
The thing is though, that even without Harden a team with Ibaka / Durant / Westbrook is overwhelming enough to win it all. They haven't had a fair shake because of health. Those three work in great tandem together and by all accounts, there is no friction between those three. 
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agreed that ibaka is a much better fit then harden for this okc team ...

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Freeze said:
riddle me this..how do you split up the pill 3 ways? alpha russ. alpha james. when healthy, alpha kd. who gets the ball end of game? you cant have 3 kings fam. no kingdom has ever had that. phil jackson wouldnt be able to get them on the same page. They'd all be sitting thinking they're better than each other. they'd have to comprimise and let serge airball the last shot.
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The thing is though, that even without Harden a team with Ibaka / Durant / Westbrook is overwhelming enough to win it all. They haven't had a fair shake because of health. Those three work in great tandem together and by all accounts, there is no friction between those three. 
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no. i don't agree. All three being healthy, wouldn't be enough to win it all. Wouldn't even be enough to get to the finals. Idk if you guys are overrating the thunder or underrating everyone else. those 3 aren't enough to get through San An, GSW or hell, even LAC. And they'd still lose to a Lebron team.

Russ and KD not dropping 40 a night bro.
 
Freeze said:
no. i don't agree. All three being healthy, wouldn't be enough to win it all. Wouldn't even be enough to get to the finals. Idk if you guys are overrating the thunder or underrating everyone else. those 3 aren't enough to get through San An, GSW or hell, even LAC. And they'd still lose to a Lebron team.

Russ and KD not dropping 40 a night bro.
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Well, this core has already ran through the spurs and beat LAC in the postseason soooo....

Look the west is tough. Most of these teams aren't that much better than the other so things such as health play a huge part and in that respect, the trio of Ibaka / Durant / Westbrook havent' been given a fair shake. 
 
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Freeze said:
no. i don't agree. All three being healthy, wouldn't be enough to win it all. Wouldn't even be enough to get to the finals. Idk if you guys are overrating the thunder or underrating everyone else. those 3 aren't enough to get through San An, GSW or hell, even LAC. And they'd still lose to a Lebron team.


Russ and KD not dropping 40 a night bro.
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your opinion is on point.  
 
Freeze said:
We finna be the next curry. lets just copy these workouts and bam. greatest shooters of all time all in this thread.

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Yeah, but to go anywhere with it, you still gotta stay out of the drug game and not have to many baby mamas, word to Ceasar. Might be a problem with all the hardcore street cats we got in here.
 
shoeking2102 said:
Freeze said:
no. i don't agree. All three being healthy, wouldn't be enough to win it all. Wouldn't even be enough to get to the finals. Idk if you guys are overrating the thunder or underrating everyone else. those 3 aren't enough to get through San An, GSW or hell, even LAC. And they'd still lose to a Lebron team.


Russ and KD not dropping 40 a night bro.
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Well, this core has already ran through the spurs and beat LAC in the postseason soooo....

Look the west is tough. Most of these teams aren't that much better than the other so things such as health play a huge part and in that respect, the trio of Ibaka / Durant / Westbrook havent' been given a fair shake. 
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when? you're still talking about 2012? When was the last time they won a playoff series? 2014? and they got mopped by the spurs btw. competition is very different now. Everybody's team got better. Their team is the same. Dion waiters the game changer bro?


remember when they tried to replace harden with kevin martin. :x that was a fun year lol.
 
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SneakerPro said:
ZaZa Pachuilla has been a better basketball player than Deandre Jordan in the 2015-2016 season.
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So far, absolutely. I think DJ going to Dallas would've been a disaster. He fits fine in LAC. But hasn't been playing well so far.

Zaza and Dwight Powell are balling though.
 
Rolaholic said:
Looking forward to seeing McHale flourish in Minny in the future while Houston struggles :lol:
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You do realize he struggled in Minny before coming to Houston right? Unless you're talking as a GM, which would still be :rolleyes. Instead of Harden 21 second ISO and kicking it to Beverley, it would be Wiggins ISO and kicking it to Lavine

It's painfully clear who actually watched these games over the years and who are hitching their ride to to reactionary sentiments. I haven't seen/heard Charles Barkley yet, but I'm sure he has the same uninformed sentiment as a lot of other people on here. This is Jeremy Lin all over again, where Rockets/Knicks/Laker fans actually described what happened on the court, while everybody else inexplicably spoke of what they thought happened and watched 1 or 2 vines.
 
WavyCrocket said:
I swear NBA fans think coaches like Pop grow on trees :lol:.
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No genius, has nothing to do with whether you can get multiple Pops or not. He's obviously one of a kind.

But when you say OKC "aint never winning a ring" with their current designed roster, it says even Pop can't correct their issues.
 
WavyCrocket said:
So far, absolutely. I think DJ going to Dallas would've been a disaster. He fits fine in LAC. But hasn't been playing well so far.

Zaza and Dwight Powell are balling though.
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not to say they aren't doing anything themselves...mainly Dwight as he's developing, but boys are in here ranting about Zaza Pachullia flourishing

and in the same breath discrediting coaching changing teams/players tendencies :lol:
 
bonafide hustla said:
WavyCrocket said:
I swear NBA fans think coaches like Pop grow on trees :lol:.
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No genius, has nothing to do with whether you can get multiple Pops or not. He's obviously one of a kind.

But when you say OKC "aint never winning a ring" with their current designed roster, it says even Pop can't correct their issues.
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you think he can?

why?

based on what?

what has pop ever done with superstar talent? better question....what superstar has he ever had?

he's never yelled at a superstar. unless they were on the other team.

phil would have a hard time with those 3.

yall will see next olympics.
 
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