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Carver said:
Wiggins plays bball the same way he plays COD. I remember watching him and KAT play live BO3, they asked Wiggins what he does.. he says all he does is go for kills even in Domination :smh:

They asked KAT the same thing and he says he does it all.. plays the objective and always goes for B at the beginning of games :rofl:  sounds silly but it's similar to on the basketball floor, KAT does it all, Wiggins just scores points :lol:  
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Maybe LeBron made the right decision after all
 
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basketball analytics based off the way players play COD , hairline talk.....thread is in midseason form 
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this the thunders years though 
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OlDirtyReseller said:
James Harden is 17th in the league in isolation possessions. Among teams that is.
— Seth Partnow (@SethPartnow)

February 12, 2016

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This dude will never ever ever win a championship. He might have a chance when he's past his prime and can't go iso every damn time down the floor but for as long as he plays his style that he does right now his team will never win a title.
 
leemelone said:
Shout out all the nters that can actually have a discussion, explain what they're talking about and not act like a ho about it
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Well, here's the thing about that, Chief. For a lot of people it becomes at a certain point impossible to have that kind of dialogue when the person you are attempting to have said discussion with continually moves the goal posts and/or ignores or unreasonably minimizes data/facts that weigh against his chosen position. Now I realize that you are laboring under the impression that description doesn't fit you, but that's how I see it. As do others on here. So, for now, for Freeze's benefit mostly, but for the good of the thread overall, let's just agree to disagree . . . on everything.
 
lawdog1 said:
Well, here's the thing about that, Chief. For a lot of people it becomes at a certain point impossible to have that kind of dialogue when the person you are attempting to have said discussion with continually moves the goal posts and/or ignores or unreasonably minimizes data/facts that weigh against his chosen position. Now I realize that you are laboring under the impression that description doesn't fit you, but that's how I see it. As do others on here. So, for now, for Freeze's benefit mostly, but for the good of the thread overall, let's just agree to disagree . . . on everything.
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Mister Friendly said:
Thats the thing theres no real right or wrong in most the discussions that take place in this thread.

Just opinions/debates/discussions.
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Although this thread is based on opinions/debates/discussions, most people back their statements with facts. Thus, there are such things as stupid opinions.

Most times you have something unsubstantiated to say (dumb opinion) and someones tries to have a normal discussion, you start throwing things into the equation that weren't in the original discussion (moving goal post).  I can understand if this was a once in a blue moon thing, but if you browse the majority of the trending S&T threads, you will find Mister Friendly always disagreeing with a fellow NTer. This has become the "norm" for you and we are all used to it.

Now we can all agree to disagree, but at the end of the day - one has a sound sports argument/opinion/theory/ etc and the other one is throwing poo hoping something sticks.

In regards to personal attacks, at least I can vouch for myself, most times you get personal "with me". 
 
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iLLiCiT305 said:
why cant Orlando ever keep a player or sign a big name (except for tmac/grant hill once) ......it has to be their management ? orlando is a nice place and maybe not a party town but miami is down the street for that 
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NBA players love living in Orlando for some reason , they will have no problem signing big name free agents just gotta get their team to be more attractive to the stars...as for players leaving no real explanation for that it's always something different ...Shaq wanted to be in Hollywood n get more money , tmac was trying to get out the 1st round , Penny was starting to get injured
 
[quote name="Mister Friendly"][quote name="Freeze"][quote name="Mister Friendly"]"Let's agree to disagree" should be a term used more frequent on here.

Instead when we can't change somebodys mind or other side has good points, we too often default to personal attacks.
[/quote]hell no. In fact, I hate that phrase. It gives people the right to be wrong and just end the argument. It's annoying af when I debate with someone and they have no points left, so they're just like, 'well, that's your opinion, let's agree to disagree'

how about no. how about, you're wrong. How about, I'm spitting facts and whether you agree with said facts or not, it doesn't change anything in regards to what is true or not? how about that phrase is garbage and just a conversational loophole to the weak-minded. how about gfy. not you personally MF


/rant[/quote]Thats the thing theres no real right or wrong in most the discussions that take place in this thread.

Just opinions/debates/discussions.
[/quote]I'm with your first point, that there should be more peaceful disagreements.

But your second point, that most times, there's not a right or wrong, I disagree.

A lot of times, there is definitely an accurate take, and someone refusing to acknowledge.

Bill: "Dude, Jordan was NOT this nice, Steph Curry image you're wanting to portray."

Ken: "He was the face of the league for 6 rings, though."

Bill: "Right, but he wasn't some golden boy. He punched teammates, and talked MAAAADDDD shhhh on the court."

Ken: "He was a beast, though!"

Bill: "Yes, but not a choir boy."

Ken: "LET'S JUST AGREE TO DISAGREE."

I can't STAAAND it. :lol:
 
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Here's what the trade market for Dwight Howard looks like


With the Houston Rockets making calls to gauge interest in former All-Star Dwight Howard, The Vertical takes a look at why it could be hard for them to move the 30-year-old center, some possible trade partners, as well as the specifics of Howard’s current contract.



Dwight Howard is averaging 14.6 points and 12 rebounds this season. (Getty Images)
The contract
Dwight Howard is in the third year of an $87.5 million contract signed in 2013.

The current cap hit for this season is $22.3 million, plus a trade bonus that is currently $600,000. The Rockets would pay this bonus to Howard if he is traded. For trade purposes, $22.9 million should be the number the Rockets and opposing teams will use.

Although Howard is under contract through 2016-17, he can opt out of his contract by June 29, thus making him an unrestricted free agent.

The Rockets' trade rules and hard cap situation
Because Houston is a luxury-tax team, the Rockets can only acquire players who are within 125 percent, plus $100,000 of Howard’s contract.

The Rockets are also hard capped and cannot exceed the $88.74 million threshold the league mandates. Currently the Rockets are $525,000 below the tax apron.

Why it could be hard for Houston to find a partner
Several factors will limit potential trade partners for Howard to a small pool of teams.

Howard has missed over 50 games the past two seasons with a variety of ailments. Although Howard’s minutes have been high over the past few months, one has to wonder how much longer his body can hold up.

A team acquiring Howard has no assurance he will sign come July. Unless Houston gives permission, teams are not allowed to make contact with Howard.

Factor in that the Rockets also have eyes on All-Star Kevin Durant this summer. Adding additional salary could make it difficult for Houston to create cap space to sign Durant.

It will be hard to make a deal with any Western Conference team above Houston in the playoff race.

The top-five West teams – Golden State Warriors, San Antonio Spurs, Oklahoma City Thunder and the Los Angeles Clippers – do not need a center. Although the Grizzlies' Marc Gasol recently broke his foot, Memphis does not have the picks or assets to get a deal done.

Would Houston try and make a deal with the three teams they are chasing for a playoff berth?

In Dallas, the Mavericks' Zaza Pachulia has been one of the most improved players this season. Why trade for a player like Howard when the Mavericks can sign him outright this summer. Utah has Rudy Gobert anchoring down low. Trading for a player like Howard does not fit the rebuild the Jazz have gone through the past few years. The Trail Blazers have been the feel-good story this season with their young core of players. Like the Jazz, adding Howard to the mix goes against how the Trail Blazers have rebuilt their team.

The teams in the lottery either do not have the assets to get a deal done or it would not make sense from a roster standpoint to give away future assets. The Nuggets have the players and draft picks to make a deal, but why do it? Denver is out of the playoffs, has built a nice young core with some veterans and will have ample cap room this summer.

So where does that leave the Rockets?


David Lee's contract expires at the end of the season. (Getty Images)
The team with the players and picks to get a deal done without touching the core would be the Boston Celtics.

The Celtics have a treasure chest of draft picks and expiring contracts, something that would benefit the Rockets in the long run.

Here is a look at a hypothetical trade that could work for both teams:

Houston receives
David Lee
Jonas Jerebko
2016 Boston first-round pick
2016 Dallas first-round pick

Boston receives
Dwight Howard
Montrezl Harrell

Although this trade could knock Houston out of the playoff race, the Rockets would be able to add two first-round picks, as well as their own first if they miss the playoffs. The Rockets currently have the 13th pick in this year's draft and will send it to Denver if they make the playoffs. With Lee’s expiring contract and Jerebko’s non-guaranteed salary for 2016-17, the Rockets could have close to $27 million in cap space. Good enough for a max salary in free agency.

For the Celtics, the addition of Howard could move them closer to the level of Cleveland and Toronto. Acquiring a player like Howard without moving any of their core pieces would make the Celtics a dangerous out come the spring. The Celtics also would not have to move the unprotected 2016 and 2018 Brooklyn Nets first-round picks or Memphis' future first-rounder.

This deal would not hurt the Celtics in the summer if Howard does decide to walk. Boston would have the same cap space if it would have kept Lee and Jerebko, just minus two first-round picks in the mid 20s.

Aside from Boston, there is a limited amount of teams in the Eastern Conference with the potential to do a deal.

The one team that has plenty of assets and players to make a deal is Toronto. However, center is not a position of need for the Raptors.

A team like Philadelphia that has plenty of picks and cap space now could just sign Howard as a free agent in July. There is no need to risk assets to chase him at the trade deadline.

Two teams fighting for their playoff lives and missing their starting centers are the Chicago Bulls and Charlotte Hornets.

The Bulls certainly could offer up a package of Joakim Noah, Taj Gibson and their own first-round pick for Howard. The tough part with this type of trade is that the Bulls are in the luxury tax and would take on additional salary, thus resulting in more luxury taxes. For Houston, the first-round pick could essentially be better than the ones Boston is offering. Although Gibson has been a high-level sixth man for Chicago, the Rockets would have to take on Gibson's contract for next season.

Charlotte has played some of its best basketball of late and is currently holding onto the last playoff spot in the East. The Hornets could put a package together of Al Jefferson, Marvin Williams and a 2016 first-round pick, protected Nos. 1-10 for Howard. Of the trades mentioned above, this deal makes the most sense for both parties. Obtaining a player like Howard in Charlotte would likely see the Hornets in the playoffs come April. For Houston, the Rockets would still have a chance of making the playoffs while also obtaining a valuable first-rounder. Although injured, Jefferson could be back on the court in early March.

With a limited market and plenty of questions to answer in the next week, trading Dwight Howard is not as easy as it sounds.
 
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