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Derrick Rose and Damian Lillard want to retire as Bulls, Blazers


Derrick Rose has not had a good season for the Chicago Bulls in 2015-16. There have been a few good games here and there, and he has improved since losing the facemask he wore following an orbital bone fracture suffered in the first practice of his team’s season back in the first week of October, but by and large he’s been a millstone offensively and a very poor defender. He’s not the sole reason the Bulls are inconsistent, myriad factors go into that, but he’s certainly been rough to watch.

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This was supposed to be the breakout year, the one that came after an up and down 2014-15 campaign – the first time he finished a season with the Bulls since his MVP year in 2011. With his downfall so swift, and with the remainder of this year’s $20 million deal and next season’s $21.1 million deal still on Chicago’s books, many have wondered why the Bulls haven’t tried to trade Rose to another team.

Well, two teams have to tango. Not a lot of front offices are out to grab a guy that needs 15.3 shots to score 14.9 points, with that poor defense, with 2.9 free throws per game, averaging fewer than five assists for the second straight season. To say nothing of the tens of millions he’s owed.

Rose wants to grind it out in Chicago. He discussed his hopes in an interview with Nick Friedell at ESPN Chicago:


Friedell: You want to retire here still.


Rose: For sure, for sure.


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Friedell: What do you think is the biggest misconception about you now?


Rose: I really don't know right now. Every week it changes probably. I'm serious. I don't know -- it's probably -- in the beginning of the year it was, did I want to stay here and did I want to win? But my whole life, I mean from the beginning, I said I wanted to stay here and play here and my whole life I've been a winner, so that's not going to change.

We’ll see how strong Rose’s commitment to Chicago is when, if current trends hold up, they’ll offer him a contract worth a fraction of what he’s currently making when he becomes a free agent in 2017. Assuming they actually offer him one, sadly.

Rose is not a good player right now, and for a team that merely wanted him to return to competent form while building a solid rotation around him, his play has been a major disappointment. His shooting percentages in the paint and in the mid-range have improved to a level around average since the mask went off, but his defensive issues from last season remain, and he still walks the ball up court for a team that hasn’t needed for him to act as a slowed-down, one-on-one machine for the last 45 months.

No, these Bulls need him to push the ball and enter the ball into sets that are supposed to feature ball movement and passing. Worse, too often when he gives up the ball Rose lopes behind the corner three-point line and watches the play (not) develop for the league’s 23rd-ranked offense, with nobody guarding the player who has hit fewer than a quarter of his three-pointers this year.

Of course Derrick Rose wants to stay in Chicago. It’s his hometown, it’s the only town his young son has ever known (which he mentions in the interview), and if he still were a max-level player (as opposed to ranking 54th out of 71 eligible NBA point guards in Player Efficiency Rating this year), the Bulls could pay him more money than any other team when re-signing him.

Being dealt to another team would mean a whole new fan base to answer to, wondering why their group gave up around $20 million in contracts to deal for Rose, wondering why their team put his $21 million on next year’s salary cap along the way. It would likely mean an eventual demotion to the bench, should this sort of play continue. It would mean a change in city. It would mean the realization that the franchise that did nothing but make yearly excuses for Derrick Rose didn’t want him around anymore.

What player – what person – would want to go through something like that? At some point, though, as he watches Jamal Crawford play 15 years after tearing his ACL, or Russell Westbrook dominating after three different meniscus-related surgeries (to Rose’s two), the excuses have to let up.

Play defense. Move without the ball offensively. Play an uglier game and get to the line more often. Don’t give up plays. Don’t walk the ball up on court as if it’s 2010, and Keith Bogans is waiting beyond half-court. As opposed to Jimmy Butler.


A brighter version of the same line Rose is understandably towing came out of Portland last week, when Trail Blazers point guard Damian Lillard offered this in the wake of a 40-point, 10-assist game:


“It’s always good to be the first one to do something,’’ Lillard said. “Especially being part of an organization I plan on being a part of for my entire career. It’s an honor, but I would have liked for it to be in a winning effort.’’

Lillard’s “first one” comment has to do with the fact that no Blazer has ever dropped 40 points and 10 dimes on the team’s home court, and as he noted Portland did fall to the defending champion Golden State Warriors in the contest on Friday. Still, 40 and 10. Part of a fantastic weekend.

And he wants to stay a Blazer forever.

Wait.

Portland has heard this before, infamously from Bill Walton in the 1970s (who later deduced, correctly, that the team misdiagnosed his stress fractures) and LaMarcus Aldridge. LMA said as much in 2014, prior to what turned out to be his last season with the team, as he understandably jumped less than a year after those comments to a Spurs team that is now running (thanks in large part to LaMarcus) with the best point differential at this point in the season in NBA history.

Lillard was the second member of the 2012 NBA draft class (thanks Billy!) to sign a maximum contract extension, one that doesn’t even start until next season. The five-year, $120 deal is amplified somewhat because of Damian’s Rookie of the Year trophy and All-Star appearances, and it isn’t set to finish until 2021.

Damian will turn 31 the same month he’ll have to decide his free agent future that year, a full year older (nearly to the day) that Aldridge was at the time. The Blazers have done an interesting job keeping him engaged, not bottoming out in the wake of losing four starters during last year’s offseason, but despite Lillard’s brilliance this squad still needs to find its way into grabbing another star.

The franchise has the league’s lowest payroll in 2015-16 and plenty of cap room next year even with Lillard’s pay raise, but plenty of teams will have cap space. The team has what could be cap-eating decisions to make on restricted free agents Meyers Leonard and Moe Harkless – two solid enough players who could be fallback plans for teams that fail to land bigger names – and as currently set the team’s first round pick this June could fall into the teens.

The too-quick ascension of teams in Phoenix and Milwaukee shouldn’t have Lillard, the Blazers or Blazers fans’ worried. There’s no reason to think Portland will fall into a series of dodgy moves in the wake of unexpected mediocrity. For all the fun that this season has been in Portland, though, it might come at a cost. For now, at least: Portland has five years.

Chicago? Their window probably shut five years ago. There’s a chance this team can move past that blockage, between now and spring, but quite a bit in Derrick Rose’s game needs to change
 
Gar Forman gon be like 'no probs bro, it's all love. you can retire a Bull Derrick. Long as you do it by February 19th. Swerve!'
 
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If Bulls get cap space. Then what? Cap space hasn't done much for the Bulls in recent history. FA shun us like nothing. An aging Pau that's probably going to leave us after this yr is probably the best they've done in the last 15 years.

In the meantime, Aaron Brooks or Hinrich would have to start at point.

You're so clever bro.

Being better than Brooks and Hinrich doesn't mean you're worth 40 million. It's not even about cap space. He's been BAD the last two years. Since he's not much of a defender or 3pt shooter - it's not like he's an ideal role player. If ownership can save 40 mil and even get an average guy at starter, it's a no brainer.

Realistically, the only team crazy enough to take on Derrick Rose right now is the Nets :lol:

Yea, you said they should trade Rose from cap space. That's not, nor should it happen :lol:
 
Being better than Brooks and Hinrich doesn't mean you're worth 40 million. It's not even about cap space. He's been BAD the last two years. Since he's not much of a defender or 3pt shooter - it's not like he's an ideal role player. If ownership can save 40 mil and even get an average guy at starter, it's a no brainer.

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I'm not as worried about Rose anymore. His play has been trending up since he took off his mask.

Last 6 games or so he been scorn 21 ppg on 49 percent shooting, I believe. The only complaint I have right now are his turnovers, specifically in the last quarter.

If this play holds up, you'd be stupid to trade him for cap space. Maybe he's not worth 40 mil, but he'd be worth more, than whatever the Bulls get back in a trade.
 
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I'm not as worried about Rose anymore. His play has been trending up since he took off his mask.

Last 6 games or so he been scorn 21 ppg on 49 percent shooting, I believe. The only complaint I have right now are his turnovers, specifically in the last quarter.

no reason to worry hes done nothing but get better each game,especially after ditching the mask as u said

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anyone saying different is just yapping w/ no base
 
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trade szn starting

cavs are sending joe harris & a 2017 draft pick to the magic for a 2020 draft pick (ESPN)
 
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@The Collector
 did this happen last night?

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Nope. Been hurt all year with a knee prob. There's articles out there.
 
What is the infatuation with Wall? He‘s okay, but he seems depressed and seems to be turning to low key quassi moto outcast. He‘s been rejected on all ballots and invites. No Team USA, no All-Star, no brand, no image, no marketability.

He only made a quick name dunking and costing high on fantasy leagues. Other than tbat his hair line is repulsing due to stress.

He seems to want acceptance somewhere, somehow.
 
What is the infatuation with Wall? He‘s okay, but he seems depressed and seems to be turning to low key quassi moto outcast. He‘s been rejected on all ballots and invites. No Team USA, no All-Star, no brand, no image, no marketability.

He only made a quick name dunking and costing high on fantasy leagues. Other than tbat his hair line is repulsing due to stress.

He seems to want acceptance somewhere, somehow.

Well damn
 
What is the infatuation with Wall? He‘s okay, but he seems depressed and seems to be turning to low key quassi moto outcast. He‘s been rejected on all ballots and invites. No Team USA, no All-Star, no brand, no image, no marketability.

He only made a quick name dunking and costing high on fantasy leagues. Other than tbat his hair line is repulsing due to stress.

He seems to want acceptance somewhere, somehow.

Don't forget he did The Dougie that one time, so he's basically the worst human being ever.
 
I don't mind that pic. We won that game in a blowout on Christmas Day with everyone watching. Not like when Nene punked Jimmy while destroying the defensive player of the year in route to beating CHI on their home floor. Shrugs
 
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I don't mind that pic. We won that game in a blowout on Christmas Day with everyone watching. Not like when Nene punked Jimmy while destroying the defensive player of the year in route to beating CHI on their home floor. Shrugs

What about his ESPN spreads?
 
I don't mind that pic. We won that game in a blowout on Christmas Day with everyone watching. Not like when Nene punked Jimmy while destroying the defensive player of the year in route to beating CHI on their home floor. Shrugs

shut yo cappin *** up you were in the rafters like sting this entire time wall was getting lit up today & decided "OOOH I CAN WIN THIS ONE" :rofl:

its the same look ... you cant have one & not the other

no one got destroyed & in fact its his only good game vs chi outta 4+

somehow nene punked a guy smaller than him but wall didn't get hoed by a guy SMALLER than him on christmas

foh go touch up that face paint b
 
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shut yo cappin *** up you were in the rafters like sting this entire time wall was getting lit up today & decided "OOOH I CAN WIN THIS ONE" :rofl:

its the same look ... you cant have one & not the other

You got some nerve. We've won 8 of our last 10 in Chicago. You got ran off the floor last night and wanna talk? Chicago is our 2nd home court. You ain't never around or address when we beat up on your Bulls. No Beal or Gortat. Gooden worked your squad last night. Ha ha ha

Your own fellow Bulls fans said last night Nene owns Chicago.
 
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shut yo cappin *** up you were in the rafters like sting this entire time wall was getting lit up today & decided "OOOH I CAN WIN THIS ONE" :rofl:

its the same look ... you cant have one & not the other

You got some nerve. We've won 8 of our last 10 in Chicago. You got ran off the floor last night and wanna talk? Chicago is our 2nd home court. You ain't never around or address when we beat up on your Bulls. No Beal or Gortat. Gooden worked your squad last night. Ha ha ha

we lost at home last night not denying that but you cant accept fax as fax ...

gooden had a single highlight that was in super slo mo... b srs

address beating up on the bulls :lol: 2nd home court :rofl: you don't even believe your fingers lies
 
we lost at home last night not denying that but you cant accept fax as fax ...

gooden had a single highlight that was in super slo mo... b srs

address beating up on the bulls :lol: 2nd home court :rofl: you don't even believe your fingers lies

8-2 in our last 10 IN CHICAGO. Last 2 times we played in the playoffs Chicago went home. Gooden had 10 Rebounds and we're the worst rebounding team in the league. Ha ha ha
 
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I'm pretty sure the last time Wiz and Bulls played in the playoffs, Chi was a walking infirmary

Good on you for being proud of that :lol:
 
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