2015-2016 NBA Regular Season - MDA to HOU - All-NBA - Harden snubbed - Anthony Davis is broke

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The Collector said:
Kyrie is chosen based off the only two things he does better if you believe he's more deserving. Scoring and ball handling. Those who would take Irving believe those 2 skills > everything else a player can do. Like I said in my first statement.
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No, those who pick Kyrie > Wall for international ball value his ability as a shooter more so than whatever Wall can do.

Wall is the more complete player, but he isn't the better offensive player in this setting. You don't need Wall's defense here. You don't "need" KL's defense here.

They can construct a beyond elite defense without "two way" players. There's no outstanding need for great individual defenders in this setting
 
clyde the glide said:
Yea but when those two things he does better are the main things they need him to do its a no brainer. International play and nba r very different
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Why do you need more scoring when you have more scoring then you know what to do with. Who here honestly believes team USA would have a scoring problem without Irving? Getting shooters wide open looks helps everyone else score. Why is that lost on the thread.
 
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Mister Friendly said:
Anthony and George arent really measurably better offensively than Leonard anymore.

This aint 2013 anymore.
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Anthony and George are absolutely better offensive players than KL.

PG can create his shot better than Leonard can. Over 90% of KL's offense is assisted, as opposed to PG which is far less.

Regardless, if you think KL is better than Anthony and George as offensive talents then so be it. But the idea that Leonard should make it over George and Anthony because he's a two way player is silly. KL's defense isn't an outstanding need for this team.

Plus Melo's GOING TO MAKE IT. Like it's 100% certain.
 
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The Collector said:
Why do you need more scoring when you have more scoring then you know what to do with. Who here honestly believes team USA would have a scoring problem without Irving?
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Who honestly believe team USA will have trouble stopping pgs or spreading the ball without wall?

The two things wall does best r simply not needed on a team that talented
 
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we all know who the "locks" are: CP3, Melo, LeBron, Davis, KD, Steph, Harden, Westbrook.

there's really only 4-5 spots up for grabs
 
Paul is a shoe in to make it, like guaranteed almost unless he gets injured. Blake on the other hand is debatable
 
Where the stat to measure ball handling?

I dont see George being a better ball handler or being able to create his own shot better than Leonard.
 
nickmaz96 said:
we all know who the "locks" are: CP3, Melo, LeBron, Davis, KD, Steph, Harden, Westbrook.

there's really only 4-5 spots up for grabs
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Harden I don't think is a lock. Personally I think he is gonna get cut, and rightfully so. Dude does not deserve to be there.
 
The Collector said:
Why Paul and not Wall. If what you said about Irving is true why not Dame over CP3?
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Paul was with Coach K in 06 when we were getting torched by baby shaq in greece. From Time type ****. Sets a bad precedence if you don't allow him to go for that 3rd Gold Medal. They've put in over a decade of work for Team USA.

So was melo.

It's why Both of them are shoe ins. Coach K is loyal to those guys and for good reason. And CP3 is a better shooter than Wall.

And Dame isn't as good as CP3. Not the playmaker and really isn't a better shooter either if we're keeping it a buck.
 
Mister Friendly said:
Where the stat to measure ball handling?

I dont see George being a better ball handler or being able to create his own shot better than Leonard.
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Well you can look at time of possession. Better ball-handlers tend to have the ball in their hands more frequently.

In terms of shot creating, you can simply look at % of shots assisted.

All of that info is readily available if you need proof
 
shoeking2102 said:
I think CP3 is better, but not by a large margin.

You're missing the point if you think the CP3 / Wall thing is about who's better.

It's not.
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Basically what everyone is saying is you need a PG who can shoot on the floor at all times. That's what it comes down to.
 
The Collector said:
Basically what everyone is saying is you need a PG who can shoot on the floor at all times. That's what it comes down to.
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I mean kind of

You can't really justify Team USA taking Wall over Kyrie when Kyrie is a miles better shooter. And it's not like he's been bad in international competition. The Complete opposite.

The conversation about taking wall over CP3 is null and void because like I said, he HAS to make it
 
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CP3 can shoot and control a team.

Wall's shooting is shaky.

Kyrie can shoot. He can distribute in THAT setting.

Wall has no shot man
 
nickmaz96 said:
we all know who the "locks" are: CP3, Melo, LeBron, Davis, KD, Steph, Harden, Westbrook.

there's really only 4-5 spots up for grabs
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Yup even though harden and AD are meh to me they will still probably make it because of the last run.

The Collector said:
Basically what everyone is saying is you need a PG who can shoot on the floor at all times. That's what it comes down to.
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That and just like anything in life seniority rules
 
DCAllAmerican said:
 
CP3 can shoot and control a team.

Wall's shooting is shaky.

Kyrie can shoot. He can distribute in THAT setting.

Wall has no shot man
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Right. Plus CP3 has been there from time. He has to and is going to make it.

If anything there can be an argument that Wall should be there over Russ Wes maybe?
 
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