Is NOT Having Children Considered a Selfish Act?

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Plenty of people. Not enough quality of ppl :lol: Why?
Because people think life is a pleasure party. I want to feel good
as long as I can as many times as I can, then die. The END.
I don't blame anyone who feels like that. They are bound by their senses.
But there is so much more to life than that.

Not tryna guilt or change anyones mind on anything. Just
being a testament to the concept that their is more to life than
what can be experienced in the 5 senses. There is more to
understand when one find a greater purpose of self.
 
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HTG Designs said:
Its all about perspective.
The world we live in today nurtures the attitude of self ( and that thinking of/helping others is important too, but its secondary).
Thats why some may not see it as selfish. "Its not selfish, we are supposed to fulfill our own desires."
This is why the world is in it currents state. Everyone wants to fulfill their own desires without regard to the
larger people group they are apart of; Mankind. They forget we are all intrinsically connected.
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So having kids is the only way to be part of that larger group?

So having kids is the only way to recognize that one man is connected to the whole group?

I am not seeing how what you are saying is something exclusive to child bearers

A person with no kids isn't able to show those great qualities that you speak of?
 
It is selfish...

Here's the kicker... it's ok to be selfish, embrace the **** out of it if that is your route.

Repeat after me... IT'S OK TO BE SELFISH.

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If you are living life the way YOU want to, chances are you are being selfish... and it is perfectly fine to be that way.
 
How is it selfish when a large number of people dont even plan on having childern?

Whose REALLY the selfisg one? You're even trying to shoehorn your situation into the "right" situation.
 
ooIRON MANoo said:
It is selfish...

Here's the kicker... it's ok to be selfish, embrace the **** out of it if that is your route.

Repeat after me... IT'S OK TO BE SELFISH.

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If you are living life the way YOU want to, chances are you are being selfish... and it is perfectly fine to be that way.
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Who are you being selfish against? 
 
Having kids doesn't contribute to helping mankind. It just means there is more mankind to help.

We're not an agricultural society where you need to have 8 kids, in hopes that some of them survive in order to work on the farm. You'll survive without them.
 
Master Zik said:
 
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Aight let me clear things up.

I feel like I am exposed to them enough during my day that leads me towards not wanting any. That is currently how I feel. Sure, if I had a different job I might feel differently. Might not. Who knows. 

Yea I said they were a burden but I understand they bring more than that as well. Anything that you are directly responsible for can be considered a burden. It is what it is. I didn't mean to marginalize their existence to being a "burden."

I just don't feel like changing my life as much as I THINK i would have to, so that is why I currently aren't interested.
 
LIONBLOOD said:
LOL @ Ironman. Apparently if you're living comfortably and not taking care of someone else you're selfish. Let's ask, Ironman how many people have you sacrificed your own well-being to help out today? Why aren't you adopting a child from Haiti?:lol:



The only way this argument plays out is with adoption, if you don't have an adopted child you have NO PLACE to speak. NONE. 
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Interesting. My cousin was adopted and he told me he never wants kids.
 
DCAllAmerican said:
HTG Designs said:
Its all about perspective.

The world we live in today nurtures the attitude of self ( and that thinking of/helping others is important too, but its secondary).

Thats why some may not see it as selfish. "Its not selfish, we are supposed to fulfill our own desires."

This is why the world is in it currents state. Everyone wants to fulfill their own desires without regard to the

larger people group they are apart of; Mankind. They forget we are all intrinsically connected.
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So having kids is the only way to be part of that larger group?

So having kids is the only way to recognize that one man is connected to the whole group?

I am not seeing how what you are saying is something exclusive to child bearers

A person with no kids isn't able to show those great qualities that you speak of?
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If you live and die and dont have kids ( lets assume your an only child), your genes, any essence of
you and your forefathers is no longer present and cannot have any influence in the ongoing world.
The knowledge gained, traditions carried, is not passed down with intent.

When I speak on having children, it also includes the active participation and training that they will eventually
become people. We all have the opportunity to create people and the better job we do, the better
to our personal liking they may be. The better character and values that are instilled, the more skills they are trained
with, the more they understand that the sum is greater than the parts, the better off mankind will be.

damn, i dont think I answered your questions. I just went off typing lol. my b. I dont like typing alot.
Already did. I may revisit them later lol .
 
I'm just throwing this out there to play devil's advocate...

Survival of the fittest. If you don't have kids (even if you are physically able) it's because you are not mentally/financially/*some other reason* fit to be a parent and raise a child. So it's not selfish. By not having kids you are doing the world a service by not passing on your un-fit genes.
 
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HTG Designs said:
 you and your forefathers is no longer present and cannot have any influence in the ongoing world.
The knowledge gained, traditions carried, is not passed down with intent.

 
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If the only way you are positively influencing the world is by procreating.... 

then you need to get your priorities together...

volunteer work

teaching

mentoring

political activism

development of technology

donating money

etc.

it's possible to positively influence mankind without having a kid...

you gotta be christian
 
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Hennessy said:
I'm just throwing this out there to play devil's advocate...

Survival of the fittest. If you don't have kids (even if you are physically able) it's because you are not mentally/financially/*some other reason* fit to be a parent and raise a child. So it's not selfish. By not having kids you are doing the world a service by not passing on your lame genes.
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So what if you are mentally stable, financially squared away, and fit to be a parent, but just have no desire to bring another human to this world?
 
GWAP said:
HTG Designs said:
 
[thread="638380"]If you live and die and dont have kids ( lets assume your an only child), your genes, any essence of[/thread]
you and your forefathers is no longer present and cannot have any influence in the ongoing world.

The knowledge gained, traditions carried, is not passed down with intent.


 
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If the only way you are positively influencing the world is by procreating.... 

then you need to get your priorities together...

volunteer work
teaching
mentoring
political activism
development of technology
donating money
etc.

it's possible to positively influence mankind without having a kid...

you gotta be christian
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fam, what if you do all them things for 90 years. Wouldn't be dope to raise
people to continue on the legacy? Improve on it?

why it gotta stop?

ANd I dont think Jesus was mentioned in this thread.
 
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HTG Designs said:
fam, what if you do all them things for 90 years. It would be dope to raise
people to continue on the legacy? Improve on it?

why it gotta stop?

ANd I dont think Jesus was mentioned in this thread.
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What it seems to boil down to is what an individual values more, their first or last name.
 
SoleByThePound said:
HTG Designs said:
fam, what if you do all them things for 90 years. It would be dope to raise

people to continue on the legacy? Improve on it?


why it gotta stop?


ANd I dont think Jesus was mentioned in this thread.
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What it seems to boil down to is what an individual values more, their first or last name.
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agreed

Those who have the most kids have the most influence on the world for the years to come. belieee dat


edit: maybe I should say closest knit families
 
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you're assuming all kids have equal influence so more kids = more future influence though 
 
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Majority rules most the time and there are many people are having no kids at all.

Islam is the fastest growing religion and I have not seen one conversion ad on tv. Why you
think they are growing so rapidly?

"Twenty years ago, the world had about 1.1 billion Muslims. Twenty years from now, it will have about twice as many - and they'll represent more than a quarter of all people on earth, according to a new [Pew] study released [January 27, 2011]"
 
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SoleByThePound said:
Hennessy said:
I'm just throwing this out there to play devil's advocate...


Survival of the fittest. If you don't have kids (even if you are physically able) it's because you are not mentally/financially/*some other reason* fit to be a parent and raise a child. So it's not selfish. By not having kids you are doing the world a service by not passing on your un-fit genes.
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So what if you are mentally stable, financially squared away, and fit to be a parent, but just have no desire to bring another human to this world?
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Then you are not fit, because you are selfish to have all of that and still have no desire to bring another human to this world. Therefore it's not selfish, because by not having kids you are doing the world a service by not passing on your un-fit, selfish genes.

Wait...

Wut?

Just trying to show how pointless this question is because I could care less. This is a thread made to rustle jimmies and get into back and forths. I'm just making light of the thread showing how easy it is to twist this argument. Do what you want. It seems unreasonable to call someone selfish for not having kids. If you feel a certain way because someone calls you selfish for not having a kid, you have bigger problems to worry about.
 
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Unless your dna, traditions, and knowledge are passed down with connections and financial backing, your chances of influencing anything in the world is slim so lets not use that as an argument.
 
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Yall dudes in here talking about passing down DNA like it's the FORCE or some ****. The genes of your forefathers does not guarantee anything for future offspring.

A grip of yall need to go watch Snowpiercer right now.

HTG Designs said:
Its all about perspective.
The world we live in today nurtures the attitude of self ( and that thinking of/helping others is important too, but its secondary).
Thats why some may not see it as selfish. "Its not selfish, we are supposed to fulfill our own desires."
This is why the world is in it currents state. Everyone wants to fulfill their own desires without regard to the
larger people group they are apart of; Mankind. They forget we are all intrinsically connected.
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You're talking about a group that doesn't even exist yet. You can't be apart of mankind if you haven't been born.

This view only makes sense for neglected children and orphans.

Lets not pretend like having a child is the best thing you can contribute to mankind.
DCAllAmerican said:
Master Zik said:
 
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Aight let me clear things up.

I feel like I am exposed to them enough during my day that leads me towards not wanting any. That is currently how I feel. Sure, if I had a different job I might feel differently. Might not. Who knows. 

Yea I said they were a burden but I understand they bring more than that as well. Anything that you are directly responsible for can be considered a burden. It is what it is. I didn't mean to marginalize their existence to being a "burden."

I just don't feel like changing my life as much as I THINK i would have to, so that is why I currently aren't interested.
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Okay I can understand most of this. My only reply would be if you did or do want children all you'd have to do is change jobs and I'm fully aware that'd be a big life decision and that's pretty much what deciding to have a child is.

As for that last statement, perfectly understandable. I'm not either. It's simply you're not ready yet but at some point that might change. Abortion aside, there may come a time where you it's just gonna happen though.

ooIRON MANoo said:
It is selfish...

Here's the kicker... it's ok to be selfish, embrace the **** out of it if that is your route.

Repeat after me... IT'S OK TO BE SELFISH.

:wink:

If you are living life the way YOU want to, chances are you are being selfish... and it is perfectly fine to be that way.
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Several other ppl including myself have implied and outright said this about being selfish in general. I also have that approach with other words. The problem here is reading some of these other ppl's posts it's a heavy implication that being selfish is a negative thing. That it's wrong when it's not and they can't even explain exactly what is selfish about not having children that makes any kind of sense.

The word has a lot of stigma and negativity attached to it.

It just gets me that a lot of these ppl like to act like their selfless altruistic utilitarians when they're really just egoists posing as something else.
 
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Master Zik said:
Wouldn't you agree the unfit should not have kids? or are you saying it's there choice no matter what and what happens after shouldn't be taken in to consideration?
I think we should just ask the Chinese community how they deal with it.

I know I wouldn't be completely adverse to some restrictions and laws.

I'd like to see the poor get a few years ban on procreation and the rich be forced to adopt their first 3 children before they can procreate.

Of course none of this stuff would come to pass any time soon in America.
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^^ Cmon Fam. Think about what that statement means. So because a rich person has money and is able to live a nice lifestyle, he/she should be forced to adopt before they can procreate?

No offense, because Adoption is a whole other argument, but if I was to have a kid, I would definitely want to be the genetic father. There's no better feeling than to have a child with your spouse, and realize that you really just created a baby through the miracle of life.
 
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