Are selfless driving cars the future?

sorry but i honestly cant tell if you're close minded and stubborn or just fishing for a pointless argument

data is data, statistics showing that self driving cars in 2015 are less likely to get into an accident than human driven cars in 2015 is not only valid but far more important in predicting future trends than the 50-60 year old data you're talking about. The sample size of self driving cars is only getting larger and the rate of machine error doesnt seem to be going up. 

skimmed through the thread, didnt find it. could you copy and paste it or come up with another example? or am I wasting my time with your pointless arguments
 
Data is not "data." You can't compare DECADES worth of data and create a new product, put it in controlled environments, and produce data that says it is safer than the human. That isn't how data works at all. THis is a prime example of data can say whatever you want it to say.
 
I agree with DC. I don't like this at all. Way too many factors for this to be a good idea.

I hate traffic, but I would never be driven in one of these cars. I think that we should stop being lazy and make it tougher for people to get licenses. So many idiotic drivers on the road.
 
DCAllAmerican said:
 
Data is not "data." You can't compare DECADES worth of data and create a new product, put it in controlled environments, and produce data that says it is safer than the human. That isn't how data works at all. THis is a prime example of data can say whatever you want it to say.
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stop bringing up decades of data, you know no one is using driving statistics from the 80s when developing new cars

compare current data with current data, right now it suggests that driverless cars are safer and there has yet to be any data to say otherwise. 

so in other words, there's not much data to go off of compared to that of regular cars, but what we do have suggests that they are safe to ride in

YOU dont have any data suggesting that they are unsafe, YOU'RE argument is relying purely on your own bias and nothing else
 
zapatohead408 said:
I agree with DC. I don't like this at all. Way too many factors for this to be a good idea.

I hate traffic, but I would never be driven in one of these cars. I think that we should stop being lazy and make it tougher for people to get licenses. So many idiotic drivers on the road.
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what factors? 
 
If you READ, I NEVER said that humans are safer drivers. I said there shouldn't even be a comparison. Maybe you missed that part. What I did say is the "data" that is used to "prove" that AI cars are safer is full of holes.

They are in controlled environments. Humans driving isn't the control group. So how are you going to make a 1 to 1 data comparison?

Again, data can say whatever your agenda wants it to say.

I say, don't compare.
 
its not a controlled environment, the cars are driving around on public streets and have fewer accidents compared to human driven cars driving in the same area. 

as i said, small sample size but its a valid comparison, and not that big of a stretch to assume they would behave the same on other public roads

With that being said, even with the very low rate of error the technology is still in its infancy and will improve exponentially like all other technologies

is "there is not enough data out right now" then reason you dont trust this technology? tbh it seems like you are making a big deal out of nothing and just arguing for the sake of arguing 
 
zapatohead408 said:
 
sea manup said:
 
zapatohead408 said:
I agree with DC. I don't like this at all. Way too many factors for this to be a good idea.


I hate traffic, but I would never be driven in one of these cars. I think that we should stop being lazy and make it tougher for people to get licenses. So many idiotic drivers on the road.
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what factors? 
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road conditions, mainly the behavior of other drivers.
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machines have a better understanding of road conditions than we do. a lot of people dont drive any different when the road is wet but you can program a machine to drive optimally in accordance to road conditions.

its the same as being a human driver, just keeping distance between vehicles. nothing that takes any creativity
 
We already put our lives on the line when it comes to trusting technology. A lot of things we use daily could malfunction and kill us, but it's been proven reliable enough to trust it so we don't worry about it. This isn't any different once it's been tested to work well. I'll have no problem bringing a pillow and sleeping in the back seat after a few years of this being tested and used by the general public.
 
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:lol: @ how people generally resist change and fear technology. I'm all for this! Driving has always been a chore for me, especially living in L.A.
 
It's going to be funny looking back on this thread in 10 years and see the people that resisted the driverless car revolution. Most people already don't want to drive as is evidenced by the numerous amounts of people texting while driving. Plus, do that many people actually like driving their morning commute looking at red lights in front of them and hitting every red light too?

IMO, if we just made stop lights more intelligent, we could cut emissions A LOT. There's usually a 20% difference between fuel efficiency on highways compared to the city just because of all the unnecessary braking.

Think of how much you'll save on your insurance costs by letting the car drive itself and putting the risk on the software developers for any accidents? How much more space would you have in your house if "your" car would just drop you off and drive away to recharge overnight? What guy wouldn't want that large man cave where their car used to be?
 
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crcballer55 said:
It's going to be funny looking back on this thread in 10 years and see the people that resisted the driverless car revolution. Most people already don't want to drive as is evidenced by the numerous amounts of people texting while driving. Plus, do that many people actually like driving their morning commute looking at red lights in front of them and hitting every red light too?

IMO, if we just made stop lights more intelligent, we could cut emissions A LOT. There's usually a 20% difference between fuel efficiency on highways compared to the city just because of all the unnecessary braking.

Think of how much you'll save on your insurance costs by letting the car drive itself and putting the risk on the software developers for any accidents? How much more space would you have in your house if "your" car would just drop you off and drive away to recharge overnight? What guy wouldn't want that large man cave where their car used to be?
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:pimp:
 
crcballer55 said:
It's going to be funny looking back on this thread in 10 years and see the people that resisted the driverless car revolution. Most people already don't want to drive as is evidenced by the numerous amounts of people texting while driving. Plus, do that many people actually like driving their morning commute looking at red lights in front of them and hitting every red light too?

IMO, if we just made stop lights more intelligent, we could cut emissions A LOT. There's usually a 20% difference between fuel efficiency on highways compared to the city just because of all the unnecessary braking.

Think of how much you'll save on your insurance costs by letting the car drive itself and putting the risk on the software developers for any accidents? How much more space would you have in your house if "your" car would just drop you off and drive away to recharge overnight? What guy wouldn't want that large man cave where their car used to be?
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Stop it, you're making too much sense!
 
Calypso Chanta said:
id use it so that i can go get hammered and wake up at home.


or id use it on my daily commute and catch a nap.

it'll save gas, trafffic jams, and a lot of lives if perfected.
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But you'd wake up in the car...
You might get in a wreck on the way through your commute...
And I'm confused as to as how traffic will speed up traffic, elaborate.
 
Yeah of course hella people are gonna die from these at first. That's why I'm copping 10 years after it comes out. Or x amount of years until they are safe.
 
small scale self driving public transport (busses) will become mainstream before self driving cars
 
The legal ramifications will prevent them from coming out anytime soon unless they force people to sign waivers absolving the makers of any liability in the event of a crash
 
Truth-Serum said:
The legal ramifications will prevent them from coming out anytime soon unless they force people to sign waivers absolving the makers of any liability in the event of a crash
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They don't need to force people, it's not like people actually read the terms of agreement ever
 
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