2016 Houston Rockets Pre-Season Thread - Preseason Finale vs Spurs

Jewbacca2 said:
The season is disappointing.

The team's effort is embarrassing.
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Yep, both pretty much go hand in hand to me. Last night's game was a microcosm of the entire season. There was one play where all the Rockets players got into the paint, and the ball was kicked out to Barea. Not a single Rockets player moved out to contest, that all became spectators like they were watching golf. And Barea was so surprised, all he did was comfortably gather himself, dribble, and shoot the easiest 3 of the season. No excuse for that.
 
I still question how many of you cats have played ball past YMCA. Like do you know what it looks like in a real game when you don't have a good defensive gameplan and relying solely on "effort"? An entire team competing to get into the playoffs gives no effort every night? :lol:


its hard to articulate the effects of bad coaching and what the end product looks like b/c of it. (effort included)


regardless of effort or not, it's one thing to kick an opponent when they're down (which is wack)
but to keep kicking your own team when they're down? :lol: Where they do that?
 
We've all criticized coaching repeatedly, but when they flat out look like they're not even trying, I'm not sure how that could be blamed on JBB, or McHale for that matter. Why would it take JBB yelling or something to realize you should be contesting an open man instead of watching them like you're apart of the crowd. It should be common sense to do that. I also think it's much more egregious to root against your team to lose regardless of it being [possibly] beneficial than to trash them for things they're not doing that they should be doing to win. Why would I want to coddle this team for underachieving?
 
Peep Game said:
We've all criticized coaching repeatedly, but when they flat out look like they're not even trying, I'm not sure how that could be blamed on JBB, or McHale for that matter. Why would it take JBB yelling or something to realize you should be contesting an open man instead of watching them like you're apart of the crowd. It should be common sense to do that. I also think it's much more egregious to root against your team to lose regardless of it being [possibly] beneficial than to trash them for things they're not doing that they should be doing to win. Why would I want to coddle this team for underachieving?
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:lol: so guys are simply conceding open jumpers? Conserving energy?

You do understand that there are schemes/play calls/etc involved in defense, right? Things that put a player in a position to scramble/look confused/GIVE UP when offenses are making the much smarter counter...


i see so much more being out of position/lost than simply no effort. guys are actually wasting a lot of energy, rather than not expending it
 
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also, my hope in them losing is simply around getting better for the long term and being a realist. If anybody wants to go wish on a star that team you're slandering so much is gonna beat a team that's mopped the floor with us over the last 3 seasons, have at it.


If we're gonna have trash coaching in a conference that (likely) has multiple HOF coaches, then the least we can do is try to hoard talent until we get a serviceable coach.
 
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bonafide hustla said:
also, my hope in them losing is simply around getting better for the long term and being a realist. If anybody wants to go wish on a star that team you're slandering so much is gonna beat a team that's mopped the floor with us over the last 3 seasons, have at it.


If we're gonna have trash coaching in a conference that (likely) has multiple HOF coaches, then the least we can do is try to hoard talent until we get a serviceable coach.
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So you're mad we're criticizing the team, but you want them to lose?

:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
:lol: linear thinking at its finest.

"Want them to lose..." is a false statement. Getting swept in the 1st round counts as a loss in my book though.


and im not mad you're criticizing them. they should be criticized until they're a true contender.

I'm actually not "mad" at anything. I'm lost/confused that yall are kicking them when they're down and also drawing up this narrative that the entire team has no effort
 
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bonafide hustla said:
also, my hope in them losing is simply around getting better for the long term and being a realist. If anybody wants to go wish on a star that team you're slandering so much is gonna beat a team that's mopped the floor with us over the last 3 seasons, have at it.


If we're gonna have trash coaching in a conference that (likely) has multiple HOF coaches, then the least we can do is try to hoard talent until we get a serviceable coach.
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How many years do you expect to wait to get better for the longterm. The 12th pick in the draft wont help like you think unless he just happens to be a dime of a dozen pick and KD coming is a shot in the dark as well. I mean how many years are dudes gonna just sit around with their team and then REBUILD yet again to stay middle of the pack in the West and chase free agents hoping someone will land AGAIN. Dudes in here legitimately have reason to be mad and have waited years and years for this. Last season getting to the WCF was a great indication then your left with this season...now thats embarrassing

Imagine if OKC wasnt stupid and the Harden trade never fell right in our lap by the grace of God and what if Dwight didn't pick Houston and stayed in LA or went to Dallas or something. You would still be waiting "longterm" right now even more and who knows if we suck enough to land a guy like Porgz or Karl-Townes or Okafor.

Forget all that serviceable coaching talk if we suck we suck and dudes are good to call the team out and everyone involved :lol:
 
This team is good enough to win with a decent supporting cast just from having Harden on the roster.

Just get some dudes in here who aren't complete bums.

people in the media picked us to go to the finals for the love of God :lol:
 
Welp, looks official now. I don't want to be so harsh on this team since we're doing so well, so I'll just keep it movin
 
Jewbacca2 said:
This team is good enough to win with a decent supporting cast just from having Harden on the roster.

Just get some dudes in here who aren't complete bums.

people in the media picked us to go to the finals for the love of God :lol:
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Exactly
 
We lost to a team with 58 losses with our playoff life on the line by 9 points at home.


Must have all been coaching
 
polosanddunks polosanddunks I understand the frustration, but it still just sounds like od complaining to me. We had a franchise that had good/better coaching staff and a more sound, veteran laden style in the past (Van Gundy/Aldeman) years. They were trash at GMing though despite having several guys who were on the cusp of superstars if not outright superstars. Their results are pretty much the same. It's actually better than the Adelman years if you consider we made it to the WCF Finals in year of the Harden era. Van Gundy did no better.

Morey comes in with a much better ability to draft and find newer, younger, talent. We now have terrible coaching. Morey is the easy scapegoat now since guys don't seem to understand all the moving pieces. But just like you said "imagine if we didn't get Harden" Well, the Harden trade isn't the only steal Morey's had in his career. Guys leave the Rockets and flourish.

i just dont know what yall expect to have out here. yall are so sour :lol:

We are not the Spurs or the Warriors...or the Thunder (who have had epic draft history)


I'm not saying you have to be in love with this team, but you have to recognize it all starts with Harden and that's quite the workhorse. From there it's about getting the surrounding cast and coaching to be contenders. There are guys on the current roster who can DEFINITELY play on a contending roster, and there are guys who cannot. We all know who they are. a draft pick is nothing more than a shot at filling a need for guys who do not be on the team. its quite simple, imo


I'm convinced playing Brewer 23 mins and then jet 23 in back to back nights is a lowkey tank move in disguise, ha
 
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the memphis grizzlies have that bum cast competing into the playoffs. you can ignore "serviceable coach" talk all you want, but there's proof in our own NBA that teams with terrible rosters/players can compete at a high level. yall are just whining really.


i just really thought it was wack to see yall kicking your own team when its down with all the extra jabs rather than just saying we simply aren't good.

all the expletives and name calling (to your own team) is the actual embarrassing part.

im off the topic though. every man is entitled to their own opinion
 
Memphis was pretty far ahead early on anyway before all their injuries. They have basically held on and got wins at the right time to not completely fall out of the playoffs. I don't really think anybody in here has ignored how important coaching is, and I thought that's been brought up several times throughout the season that a coach can do all the coaching they can, but the players still have to actually play and put that coaching to good use. But if a team plays like trash, they should get called out for being trash. If you want to give them participation ribbons, go right ahead.
 
bonafide hustla said:
the memphis grizzlies have that bum cast competing into the playoffs. you can ignore "serviceable coach" talk all you want, but there's proof in our own NBA that teams with terrible rosters/players can compete at a high level. yall are just whining really.


i just really thought it was wack to see yall kicking your own team when its down with all the extra jabs rather than just saying we simply aren't good.

all the expletives and name calling (to your own team) is the actual embarrassing part.

im off the topic though. every man is entitled to their own opinion
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Im not understanding...your talking about Joerger? He is the same one that played Marc Gasol through that injury who is out for the year when he was clearly not fine. If you want a serviceable coach like that only to get bounced out the first round then so be it :lol:

Nobody said Memphis was in route to the finals. Houston was a different story. No matter how you slice it with Brewer/Terry minutes being a way to tank lowkey it doesnt matter you tell us if you wanna wait another 10 years and be midtier and not have a franchise pick because Houston never really sucks that bad to land one.Do you want to hope every offseason a free agent comes to Houston.The time to win was now and these clowns ruined it. Winning is all that matters and the fans should be pissed at em.

Anyone whos not producing can go and thats from personnel to players. That includes Morey too. He's done good things with the pieces but he hasnt won anything...its all good though
 
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10 years sounds pretty extreme and that wall of text is just a bunch of complaining with no expectations. yall just want to hear yourself whine.


"the time to win was now"

"we have the worst roster"
"these guys are bums"
"anyone can go"

what?



i was off it, but i had to make it known im truly convinced. just whining without any realistic expectations. playing mental trickery on/contradicting yourselves, fam. i can see why the feels and stress levels are so high.ha
 
So KJ starts last game
Doesn't get in those first half
Starts the second half.
Plays 1 minutes.
Lol WUT
 
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