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Ya we got pretty lucky.
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Jonathan Feigen @Jonathan_Feigen

James Harden, battling a cold, had to get intravenous fluids after the game.

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I'm surprised he hasn't gotten that in previous games with all the minutes he's been playing.
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Let's hope Harden has some energy to lead them past the Pistons. I liked Capela playing that many minutes the other night. Though Dwight still played a high amount, Capela should definitely keep getting quality minutes like that to supplement Dwight.
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we need this win against the pistons for confidence 

Leggo yall

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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand it's gone. This team sucks. And there's probably no way to get around that. The bench showed improvement, and Christ, I'm tired of waiting for this team to gel, and saying "it's an 82 game season". Dudes need to play better straight up. Somebody said a couple games ago that we are getting to an "easier part of the schedule". Easier my *** when the team plays like this.

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Some trades are a coming.
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Some trades are a coming.

Isn't it pretty ironic that the first year Morey decides to pretty much stay with his core, this is how we end up starting???
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Some trades are a coming.

Won't help. Mchale needed to go but it has become glaringly obvious this team has no vocal leader in that locker room. Dwight is content to get 12 points...12 rebounds collect his money and drive home. There's no burning desire to be a champion. As long as James gets his shots and Khloe is butt naked when he gets home...mmmkay. Nobody RESPECTED in that locker room is gonna go at someone for missing a rotation or not running the offense or showing little effort. You can tell Trevor and Brewer care but is an average player really gonna be respected when the stars are nonchalant? This team needs an attitude adjustment.

IMO if JB wants to earn this job he's gotta go full heel on these guys. James doesn't play D...sit his a** on the bench and tell him until he commits to play D. He ain't playin. Dwight keeps with the stupid ticky tack fouls..sit his a** down to until he learns to move his feet. Let Clint and Montrez play. This applies to everybody on the team not just the superstars...If they ain't gonna play with effort and do what JB tells them they ain't playing.

Sounds crazy but what do you have to lose at this point. This team will never win a championship with their current mindset (they've got the talent). Why not start to change it. Anybody not with the program can get traded...that includes Harden and Howard.
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I do not at all believe an ounce of that about Dwight. He's been one of the lone guys trying out there, and was one of the only ones not fully putting the issue on McHale.

Agreed about most of the other stuff about an attitude adjustment though.

D-Mo's also been cleared to practice.
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So it took the coach getting scapegoated and a month worth of bad losses for you guys to realize these problems begin & end with the players?

Consider me shocked.
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I do not at all believe an ounce of that about Dwight. He's been one of the lone guys trying out there, and was one of the only ones not fully putting the issue on McHale.

Agreed about most of the other stuff about an attitude adjustment though.

D-Mo's also been cleared to practice.
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IMO if JB wants to earn this job he's gotta go full heel on these guys.

This team will never win a championship with their current mindset (they've got the talent). Why not start to change it. Anybody not with the program can get traded...that includes Harden and Howard.

all of this
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So it took the coach getting scapegoated and a month worth of bad losses for you guys to realize these problems begin & end with the players?

Consider me shocked.


that's not true though. your problem is realizing that players giving bad effort/terrible coaching aren't mutually exclusive. McHale needed to go. There still needs to be a coach that DEMANDS what is needed out of his team and coaches to their strengths. This is the type of stuff a coach actually gets paid to do. McHale was doing a good job of keeping it together personality wise, but that only goes so far. We need somebody to manage these personalities but also coach to the team's cumulative strengths.


in short, we just need someone to implement some version of the GSW offense, ha
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Well as of foday what are our strengths? What do we do well?

You want to be GSW but they have a team full of complimentary pieces not to mention they actually play defense. This is a bad team across the board thru the first month of the season.
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So it took the coach getting scapegoated and a month worth of bad losses for you guys to realize these problems begin & end with the players?

Consider me shocked.

Mchale wasn't a scapegoat..he helped create this culture and his X's and O's sucked. I like the guy, but he had to go if the Rockets want rings not the usual unceremonious playoff exit.
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I do not at all believe an ounce of that about Dwight. He's been one of the lone guys trying out there, and was one of the only ones not fully putting the issue on McHale.

You didn't find it odd he couldn't play a back to back until Leslie said everybody's a** is on the line...Dwight's played a lot harder since Mchale got gone but playing hard isn't leading. Honestly, what has Dwight added to his game since coming to Houston to help win a title? What has Dwight added to his game since leaving Orlando? Same broke running jump hook across the lane...still getting stripped down low when he tries that up and under move. Teams have defended Dwight the same way for years and he's done nothing to counteract it (stay behind him on D, make him make a move...holds the ball too low when making a move/go for the strip...box out and cut off the lob). Dwight is content and has been for a long time. Don't get me wrong, he could be a very important piece to a championship winning squad, I no longer believe he wants to be the REASON a title comes to Houston and I think he's fine with that.
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Our strengths are nothing, unless showing minimal effort is a strength.

laugh.gif and McHale being a scapegoat. He was definitely part of the problem. Part of the problem. What we probably missed out on though is the it's probably a joint thing, cause JB and other assistants haven't really differentiated themselves from when McHale was here. There's only been minor differences, very minor. The effort from the players has been the same, which is sad.
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Well as of foday what are our strengths? What do we do well?

Have plenty of talent...dominant defensive big man when his head is in the game...have a top 10 player in the league.

The Rockets do nothing well at this point besides getting down by double digits.
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You want to be GSW but they have a team full of complimentary pieces not to mention they actually play defense. This is a bad team across the board thru the first month of the season.

This team doesn't need to be GSW nor should they try. Any team trying to duplicate that is foolish. Steph is the main reason that team is so good an nobody can duplicate him. The guy is deadly from 40 feet in...is a great ball handler and passer...can finish at the rim...nobody in NBA history has presented that kind of challenge to NBA defenses. You can take a lot from GSW but you can't take him.

IMO when DMo get back make him the center of the offense and you play inside out. Dwight's main job becomes defense and rebounding...James attacks the rim to set up his 3's not the other way around. Start Pat Bev...Ty achors the second unit and when he comes in you push the ball constantly.
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I'm not speaking to our strength as a unit. We haven't seen that in any form of consistency....hence why you hear the argument for new system/coach/approach.

I'm saying isolate each player, and itemize their strengths and weaknesses. We have guys with some very utilizable strengths. (no way im going to do this for all the Rox players) and we need a coach to pull that together.



For starters, we chuck 3s without any consistently lethal 3 point shooters. We have guys that can hit 3s, just not at the rate we shoot them or in the manner we shoot them. We have a whole front line of flying bigs. We should be pNrolling to get guys crashing to the lane, cutting, etc.. We also have DMO in the cusp, which imo, is the only player who should legitimately get consistent back-to basket touches. Dwight should be setting screens and diving to the rim THE ENTIRE GAME. Unless there's a non-big man on him.

James is our facilitator and I'd say his strength is actually passing as a scorer. We live/die by his scoring in iso/simple pNR which is silly when we can be utilizing his attention to get other guys open. That happens through motion/chess moves on the court. Not just standing and watching him and being ready. This man is not Michael Jordan laugh.gif

We don't even need like an overhaul system wise. We need additions/tweaks that give guys better opportunities to contribute
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Originally Posted by JinKazama View Post

Have plenty of talent...dominant defensive big man when his head is in the game...have a top 10 player in the league.

The Rockets do nothing well at this point besides getting down by double digits.
This team doesn't need to be GSW nor should they try. Any team trying to duplicate that is foolish. Steph is the main reason that team is so good an nobody can duplicate him. The guy is deadly from 40 feet in...is a great ball handler and passer...can finish at the rim...nobody in NBA history has presented that kind of challenge to NBA defenses. You can take a lot from GSW but you can't take him.

IMO when DMo get back make him the center of the offense and you play inside out. Dwight's main job becomes defense and rebounding...James attacks the rim to set up his 3's not the other way around. Start Pat Bev...Ty achors the second unit and when he comes in you push the ball constantly.


literally every team in the NBA can take some sort of pieces away from the GSW system
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Our strengths are nothing, unless showing minimal effort is a strength.

laugh.gif and McHale being a scapegoat. He was definitely part of the problem. Part of the problem. What we probably missed out on though is the it's probably a joint thing, cause JB and other assistants haven't really differentiated themselves from when McHale was here. There's only been minor differences, very minor. The effort from the players has been the same, which is sad.


im ok with yall saying we have no apparent strengths as a unit. I agree. That's the obvious problem at hand. But to say we don't have utilizable strengths in our individual players is crazy to me.
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literally every team in the NBA can take some sort of pieces away from the GSW system

Golden State doesn't do anything particularly revolutionary from an X's and O's standpoint. Every team does what GSW does in some form. Curry just stretches your defense out so far it negates the helpside defender form being able to get over and opens passing lanes. That why that small lineup is so deadly, its damn near impossible for someone to get out to the 3 point line once the on-ball defender is beat. If they try it opens up a driving lane.


Their defense is so good because you have long athletic guys who WANT to play defense (except Curry laugh.gif)
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I wish we had Adelman back

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@JinKazama you're right on a lot of that previous post, but when it comes to the playoffs, Dwight is the very last guy who needs to be looked at. He's brought it every series since he's been here. He is what he is at almost 30, and I'll take Dwight in the playoffs like that any day. The problem (well, one of many problems) is that we were probably assuming we could simply play Dwight every other game or whatever and be good. I don't think any bit of the fanbase thought the team as a collective was gonna terribly underachieve like they have, from top to bottom. That underachieving has basically brought to light a whole bunch of problems.

@MarkAngelo I'm pretty curious to what he would've done with an extension in 2011 and having Lin, Parsons, Howard, Harden, etc.
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****, 13-4 so far 

We need a coach bad

J.B. aint gonna cut it

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This team sucks. We're straight up getting out-hustled by some of the sorriest teams in the NBA.
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But not really.
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