5th Grade Teacher Dresses in Blackface for Halloween

is it offensive when someone outside the US does it?

Haven't heard of black face being a thing in latin america.

maybe in england or other parts of europe, but nothing like the states...
 
LIONBLOOD said:
White people have several reasons to be racist against blacks, their reasoning is just as justified as yours. 
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LIONBLOOD said:
 
From their perspective it's justified. If a white person says black people are criminals and unintelligent as his reason for hatred and bigotry, that is the same as hating all white people because of white racism. You can't use a sweeping generalization to justify your hate and expect others not to, it doesn't work that way.
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TimShepard said:
 
So White people can't say the N word but Blacks can? Why? It's not a good word, regardless of WHO says it. Can a rapist tell someone else they shouldn't rape?
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DCAllAmerican said:
Nobody should be using any variation of the word. Of course folks will do whatever they want but the whole, "We turned it into a word of endearment" is foolishness
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Nah, the English language can evolve, and as usual context is everything.
 
TimShepard said:
So White people can't say the N word but Blacks can? Why? It's not a good word, regardless of WHO says it. Can a rapist tell someone else they shouldn't rape?
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Weird comparisons...

While I feel no one should use the word, white people especially shouldn't even want to use it because of the history it derives from. The whole "if __ can do it, so can I" logic needs to die. It's ignorant, people know better.
 
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Master Zik said:
You can if that's how you feel about a post.


I don't see the problem here.


That whole Daffy tap dancing gif and banjo pic is saying the same thing with pics. Plenty Uncle Toms show themselves on NT from time to time.
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So why is dude reporting me for the massa comments? :lol:
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Cuz he's mad that you as a black man aren't as angry and fervently backing his side. He just goes extra hard when it comes to racism towards black ppl by white ppl and he'll use any example and argument to vilify white ppl in these topics or make it a race issue when it's not necessarily that. The same way you can be neutral or purposely play devil's advocate in these sort of threads where it comes off like you're constantly choosing to target black ppl or persons when the topic isn't really about that.

Time and places for all this **** but hey seems we all got roles to play.
MikeTysontheKiller said:
is it offensive when someone outside the US does it?

Haven't heard of black face being a thing in latin america.

maybe in england or other parts of europe, but nothing like the states...
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It'll be (or should be) offensive to anyone that knows the history.

However, if you're from a different country, upbringing, and culture it may be understandable that you might not know the history but just about everyone around the world understands racism. We got the internet. If you're thinking about painting your face black for fun you should look it up. Otherwise you aint getting no pass unless you trying to blend in to the night as lions are looking to make you a midnight snack.

Nobody in Europe gets a pass. Last time black face was acceptable there was centuries ago when they couldn't find a black pauper to play Othello in a Shakespeare play.
 
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im not mad but that massa **** was said out of  disrespect 
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tryna get a rise out of me 
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edit: and i didnt report anyone

but id appreciate if you didnt speak for me or assume u can speak for how i feel
 
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that wasnt the context you said it in tho

you werent trying to call me an uncle tom or say im shucking and jiving

you said YOUR MASSA KID

**** it tho its the internet i cant put hands on you for  flagrant disrepect 
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Hand2HandKing said:
how you equate saying "massa kid" and "massa colonel" with uncle tomming or shuckin and jiving? :smh:
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It's the same thing in the context he used it.

Only problem here seems to be yours where you have a problem with him using the word "massa" or maybe you misunderstood what he said altogether.

Explain why saying massa kid or mass colonel is worse than calling someone an Uncle Tom or accuse them of shuckin and jivin? or yassa boss'ing for that matter?
 
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what are you talkin about?

he said im racist because i "use the same tactics as white people" so how is that shuckin and jiving?
 
No. This is what he said in regards to the massa stuff


LIONBLOOD said:
Hand2HandKing said:
 

so historical fact is lengths now?

other than you, who still cant provide justified reasons for white racism other than to say they justify it in their own minds with inane "reasons" like their criminals or unintelligent

like you give whites the benefit of the doubt but expect blacks to be above giving what they are getting :smh:
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That's like Christians hating all Jews for killing Jesus----that's a historical fact, doesn't justify bigotry. Stop trying to make justification for your racism happen, it's not gonna happen.

Quit your whining, I'm not giving ANYONE the benefit of the doubt. That's what this is all about, you are NOT entitled to racist attitudes, nobody is. You can't cry racism and then exhibit the same mindset as Massa Colonel. 
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He's saying you got the same mindset as the racist slave master.

Uncle Tom's aim to please massa and got the same damn mindset that slaves deserve to be slaves just with a prejudice placed on field *******. Word to Stephen in Django Unchained.

Shucking and jivin is just lying, clowning, etc. with a specific stigma attached to it commonly used by southern black ppl in the 1800s. The shucking and jiving comes from you pretending like you aint saying hateful **** like any other slave master.

I'm asking you what is wrong with using any of those kinds of sayings or lingo in this context? If the shoe fits.
 
Master Zik said:
He's saying you got the same mindset as the racist slave master.

Uncle Tom's aim to please massa and got the same damn mindset that slaves deserve to be slaves just with a prejudice placed on field *******. Word to Stephen in Django Unchained.

Shucking and jivin is just lying, clowning, etc. with a specific stigma attached to it commonly used by southern black ppl in the 1800s. The shucking and jiving comes from you pretending like you aint saying hateful **** like any other slave master.

I'm asking you what is wrong with using any of those kinds of sayings or lingo in this context? If the shoe fits.
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uncle tom and shuck and jive ONLY mean cowtowing to white people

trying to say that a black persons racist mindset against whites is the same as a white persons racist mindset againt blacks IS NOT cowtowing to please white people

trying to compare the mindset and make them equivalent IS WRONG

it is not the same context

like i cant believe this is actually needing to be explained

if im racist against whites, then that would mean  i want to see white people enslaved, not my own people so how is it uncle tom/shuck and jive

edit: and what he orignally said was that "using the same mindset" makes me the same AS MY MASSA, AS IF WHITE PEOPLE ARE MY MASTER
 
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Master Zik said:
He's saying you got the same mindset as the racist slave master.


Uncle Tom's aim to please massa and got the same damn mindset that slaves deserve to be slaves just with a prejudice placed on field *******. Word to Stephen in Django Unchained.


Shucking and jivin is just lying, clowning, etc. with a specific stigma attached to it commonly used by southern black ppl in the 1800s. The shucking and jiving comes from you pretending like you aint saying hateful **** like any other slave master.


I'm asking you what is wrong with using any of those kinds of sayings or lingo in this context? If the shoe fits.
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uncle tom and shuck and jive ONLY mean cowtowing to white people

trying to say that a black persons racist mindset against whites is the same as a white persons racist mindset againt blacks IS NOT cowtowing to please white people

trying to compare the mindset and make them equivalent IS WRONG
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I'm not making them equivalent. I'm asking if one is okay why is not the other?

Especially if he feels that fits for you?


if im racist against whites, then that would mean  i want to see white people enslaved, not my own people so how is it uncle tom/shuck and jive
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Did I say being racist against whites is the same thing as being an Uncle Tom?

I said what is wrong about saying someone has the same mindset as "massa kid", "massa colonel" if calling ppl uncle Tom's is okay?


edit: and what he orignally said was that "using the same mindset" makes me the same AS MY MASSA, AS IF WHITE PEOPLE ARE MY MASTER
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Like I said this just seems like you're more mad at that then any other saying.

Is calling a black person an Uncle Tom not equally offensive?

So if you were called an Uncle Tom in a thread you'd take it easier than this?
 
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Master Zik said:
 I'm not making them equivalent. I'm asking if one is okay why is not the other?

Especially if he feels that fits for you?
 Did I say being racist against whites is the same thing as being an Uncle Tom?

I said what is wrong about saying someone has the same mindset as "massa kid", "massa colonel" if calling ppl uncle Tom's is okay?
 Like I said this just seems like you're more mad at that then any other saying.

Is calling a black person an Uncle Tom not equally offensive?

So if you were called an Uncle Tom in a thread you'd take it easier than this?
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if both are okay or both are not, that means they are equivalent

saying massa kid has two functions:

first, as i said, it implies that white people are the masters

in conjuction with kid, it correlates to the "boy" train of white racists who try to infantilize blacks

calling someone an uncle tom is not as offensive as telling them that white people are their masters

i could never be called an uncle tom because i will never cowtow to whites in that way
 
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I'm not making them equivalent. I'm asking if one is okay why is not the other?


Especially if he feels that fits for you?

 
 
Did I say being racist against whites is the same thing as being an Uncle Tom?


I said what is wrong about saying someone has the same mindset as "massa kid", "massa colonel" if calling ppl uncle Tom's is okay?

 
 
Like I said this just seems like you're more mad at that then any other saying.


Is calling a black person an Uncle Tom not equally offensive?


So if you were called an Uncle Tom in a thread you'd take it easier than this?
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if both are okay or both are not, that means they are equivalent
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Equivalent in that they're okay to say.

Not that they mean the same thing :lol:
calling someone an uncle tom is not as offensive as telling them that white people are their masters
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This is your opinion. Not a fact.
i could never be called an uncle tom because i will never cowtow to whites in that way
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Yes you could be called that. Calling ppl names or labeling them don't have to be factual. It's dependent on how the person calling you the name feels about you.

If someone thought you were a turncoat to your race that craved the approval of white ppl they could easily call you an Uncle Tom. It doesn't matter if you don't feel you are one.

So it's just like I said you think one is less offensive than the other. Your reasoning would imply though that you think of white ppl as your master and that you have been infantilized by being called kid which is your problem.

I know I'm not either so neither would phase me.
 
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Have any of you actually READ the book Uncle Tom's Cabin? As much as it gets thrown around on here it should be mandatory reading.

It's kind of more of a compliment than an insult to be compared to him. He dies due to a LACK of subservience. 
 
Master Zik said:
Equivalent in that they're okay to say.

Not that they mean the same thing
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Yes you could be called that. Calling ppl names or labeling them don't have to be factual. It's dependent on how the person calling you the name feels about you.

If someone thought you were a turncoat to your race that craved the approval of white ppl they could easily call you an Uncle Tom. It doesn't matter if you don't feel you are one.

So it's just like I said you think one is less offensive than the other. Your reasoning would imply though that you think of white ppl as your master and that you have been infantilized by being called kid which is your problem.

I know I'm not either so neither would phase me.
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i didnt say equivalent in that they mean the same thing

i said equivalent in that if they are both ok or both not, that IS the equivalence

like if this was gay or ***, either both are ok or both arent, but they are equivalently ok or not

callin someone an uncle tom is attacking their character, but telling someone that white people are their masters is attacking their personhood 

"if someone thought you were a turncoat..." i would have to do or say something for that to happen, calling someone out of name without evidence of them being that is just asinine

like if i call you a ***, i would need some sort of evidence that you did or said something gay

otherwise, im just being facetious

my reasoning doesnt imply anyhting, stop trying to project onto me things that arent there

HE SAID IT, not me, so because i recognize the underlying racism in his quote that doesnt mean I see myself that way
 
I've read it a while back but the book and the label veered off in two different directions a long time ago.

Not sure if there's a site documenting when the label got that specific stigma but it was a ways back.
 
Hand2HandKing said:
callin someone an uncle tom is attacking their character, but telling someone that white people are their masters is attacking their personhood 
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We gonna have to disagree.

Sounds like semantics and distinctions you just made up. You can't expect everyone to agree to that.

my reasoning doesnt imply anyhting, stop trying to project onto me things that arent there
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He obviously said it based on what's been said on this thread. The same way if somebody called you an Uncle Tom it'd be based off something said in a thread. The same way we call some posters SWS based off what they say in threads. That would be the evidence according to who says it, posts.

I know if I was called either they wouldn't phase me cuz they're untrue.
 
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