Vince Staples Critiques 1990's Hip Hop Music Calling It Overrated, N.O.R.E & Tyler The Creator Respo

Vince seems like he liked rock more than if thats the case cause dude has references of Joy Division all throughout his album. From the cover art, to that Love Will Tear Us Apart soliloquy, to that post on his IG awhile back of Ian Connor, their singer with the caption Shadowplay which is one of their songs. Dudes influences confuse me :lol:
 
Who is vince staples? Didn't justin timberlake sing señiorita ?
 
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SoleByThePound said:
I was listening to music at 10-11 years old, but your reading and comprehension skills really must lack because I said, "He probably wasn't really into music at 10-11 either."  I am not defending him at all and yes I was addressing you because you argue about everything on here. I bet you're the type of person who argues just to hear your own voice irl. I can't be the only person on this site who :rolleyes  every time you chime in with your 2 cents.
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Apparently you're the one with the comprehension problem, since you can't detect obvious sarcasm and a rhetorical question.

And if you aren't defending him, who would you say "He probably wasn't really into music at 10-11 either." Unfortunately you didn't follow "The scenarios and hypotheticals you guys come up with are hilarious."

I didn't know men :rolleyes much less being proud of it, but I don't care if you :rolleyes I don't post for you. There's an ignore button.
 
HarlemToTheBronx said:
This conversation happens every generation.
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Naw b, it's only rap fans.

You would never hear rock fans say this about Pink Floyd or Elvis even if they don't rock with their music. Same with jazz fans about Miles Davis or John Coltrane. People in to R&B want to listen to Anita Baker or Sade. Not dismiss it as being old and a new era.

Rap has a serious case of arrested development. Rock grew, expanded, and matured as the generation aged. That's how The Rolling Stones can still sell out, and later U2. Rap hasn't.
 
Trill Nimley said:
I say he's a culture vulture because he's willing to exploit a lifestyle and culture he seems to have no real interest in outside of making profit and Tweeting out his gang affiliation.
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^^^^^^ Exactly.
 
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I think his statement is just a microcosm of what has historically happened with accomplishments in the black community. He acknowledged the Rolling Stones and Aerosmith who's music predates the majority of hip-hop period, and he feels there's no replacement for them. But apparently he feels there's replacements for the great hip-hop artist/DJs etc of the past. This is something that has ALWAYS been done whether it's hip-hop, world history etc, the accomplishments of blacks is wrote off as being unimportant or easily duplicated while those of Europeans is somehow untouchable, required to be remembered as such. What he's saying is no different.

Provided he's a kid and kids are known to do and say stupid ****, his thoughts on the subject are by no way unique, it's quite the norm but THAT'S the problem. What is it he can find in classic rock that he can appreciate that isn't to be found in hip-hop? He praised pioneers of a genre he's not a part of, showed respect and more or less brushed his nose at the pioneers of the genre that he makes his living participating in.

Of course it's hip-hop so we'll just act as if our youth not respecting those who sacrificed for them is OK and that those offended by it are being sensitive/bitter. I'm not down with people brushing their nose at ANY aspect of my culture, I've not been weakened enough to turn a blind eye to that.

Homie is a culture vulture. Scared to offend followers of a culture that was stolen from his people in Rock'n'Roll. He's Don Lemon with a gang affiliation and musical talent. KRS One would've tossed him off stage 20 years ago
 
SoleByThePound said:
Let me get this straight, you're saying that anyone who is over the age of 30 who grew up on Hip Hop and has an opinion about the younger generations lackadaisical stance is bitter?
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Yea let it go dudes who liked 80s rap did the same thing to dudes who liked 90s hip hop ...Everybody thinks there era is the best
 
BossDonVah said:
Yea let it go dudes who liked 80s rap did the same thing to dudes who liked 90s hip hop ...Everybody thinks there era is the best
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And it's also apart of the competitive spirit of hip hop. There's always been a "better than yours" vibe to everything in our culture. My block is better or harder than your block. This city is better than that city. Brooklyn > Bronx. The element of the battle. I could keep going.

While i agree that the dismissal of the preceding era by the next is a problem...is it really hard to understand why 90s and 2000s babies feel the need to defend their subcultures which they keep hearing negative things about from the previous era(s)?

And these kids are much more brash and rebellious. It seems like each generation is giving less of a **** about rules and regulations. While I can point the finger and point out **** I don't understand I see these kids doing...id probably doing the same ******* thing if I were one of them.
 
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Trill Nimley said:
Kool Moe Dee
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He's not in anyone under 60's top ANY thing.

Rakim, G Rap, KRS One are AMAZING MCs tho. I don't think age affects your ability to acknowledge skill, it's more of an impact thing. It's hard to grasp impact when you weren't present. Like kids about 6 years younger than me think GRODT is the best thing ever. I'm sure older guys could prolly listen to Kool Moe Dee without laughing. It's impact. Kool Moe Dee had ZERO impact on my life or love for hip-hop. (I only remember "Wild Wild West") I read his book and he rated himself top 5. Along with Grandmaster Caz and Melle Mel
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Impact is all relative.

Kids growing up now will certainly view Drake and Future is a much better light than an old bitter worthless individual like myself would.
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Kool Moe Dee is clearly a top 50 rapper
 
The ignorance dude shows is the problem. If you was born in 93 you really can't say whether that era was overrated or not. I was born in 88. I wasn't around for the Rakim, Public Enemy, KRS, Slick Rick, G Rap era. G Rap is probably the only one I really listen to but I would never say that era is overrated. They gave birth to Nas, Jay Big and everybody I grew up listening to. I've never been into KRS music but I'm not gonna say he's overrated, that's ******ed. A lot of people look at him as the GOAT so I can respect that. What Vince shoulda said was he can't relate to it and it's not his taste. But this _ said...


"it's overrated" "I don't know why they get so much credit"


:lol: Sit down bruh
 
Trill Nimley said:
I think his statement is just a microcosm of what has historically happened with accomplishments in the black community. He acknowledged the Rolling Stones and Aerosmith who's music predates the majority of hip-hop period, and he feels there's no replacement for them. But apparently he feels there's replacements for the great hip-hop artist/DJs etc of the past. This is something that has ALWAYS been done whether it's hip-hop, world history etc, the accomplishments of blacks is wrote off as being unimportant or easily duplicated while those of Europeans is somehow untouchable, required to be remembered as such. What he's saying is no different.

Provided he's a kid and kids are known to do and say stupid ****, his thoughts on the subject are by no way unique, it's quite the norm but THAT'S the problem. What is it he can find in classic rock that he can appreciate that isn't to be found in hip-hop? He praised pioneers of a genre he's not a part of, showed respect and more or less brushed his nose at the pioneers of the genre that he makes his living participating in.

Of course it's hip-hop so we'll just act as if our youth not respecting those who sacrificed for them is OK and that those offended by it are being sensitive/bitter. I'm not down with people brushing their nose at ANY aspect of my culture, I've not been weakened enough to turn a blind eye to that.

Homie is a culture vulture. Scared to offend followers of a culture that was stolen from his people in Rock'n'Roll. He's Don Lemon with a gang affiliation and musical talent. KRS One would've tossed him off stage 20 years ago
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In short he has the mentality of a house *****
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Vince staples was on this board. He's definitely a product of this Internet era troll culture that says **** to get under people's skin.
 
GodxComplex said:
co sign.  

i think the way he approached it was a bit careless tho :lol: .  how you gon say somethin u kno is gonna pop off and not expect a reaction?  born in 84 and I can attest to  never rocking with the 80's simplistic rhyme pattern does that make it wrong? Cats in they 40s got Rakim or Kane as the GOAT and a ***** from the 90s can have Nas or BIG... its the same **** from generation to generation.  let my dude live.
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So if you actually listen to rakim or Kane, you will hear nas, jay or big in them. They wouldn't exist without rakim or Kane pushing the envelope with how bars are written and delivered.

I was born in 84 as well. I don't understand how someone born in the early to mid 80s could not **** with music that was relevant in the late 80's... But ok.
 
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this foolio can't even keep his head still in that interview. Gotta give respect to earn it young buck. Some of them north side cats always been off for some reason
 
ScottHallWithAPick said:
Some of y'all don't read.

NORE said 1st for Vince to be from long beach and not say Snoop is his favorite rapper he must be from a different cloth.

Vince replies he is from a rival crip gang so they never banged Snoop. It wasn't tough talk, it's facts.

I notice that's a NY thing that Queens dudes favorite rapper is Nas or Mobb. Brooklyn is Big or Jay. Out here we just like who we like and who we think is popping. Half the dudes I grew up with have Biggie, Jay or Kanye as their number 1. Besides Pac I don't know that many people out here who rank Snoop, Dre, Cube, Kurupt as their number 1. That's life.
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I'm not sure if you were trying to imply that a queens dude would put a queens dude at the top of their list or not...or if we wouldn't mess with bk rappers like that... Not really sure why you brought us up.

But

As a queens dude...I can tell you we def mess with bk, Harlem, staten is, Long Island, philly, LA, etc. we respected who was out with quality music. I know ****** that love and hate krs for coming at queens but with dope songs doing it.

Yeah biggie, nas and jay are on my list but so is pac...the chronic and chronic 2001 are classics in my book. Doggystyle is a classic. What no limit and cash money did deserves respect. Etc etc.

I'm not buying that gang **** being a factor either. Snoop hasn't been active since the early 90's and afaik the west ***** with him heavy regardless of his set.
 
I look at hip hop differently than s lot of ppl I guess. I can appreciate 80s hip hop up to about 2003. Everything after 03 it just depends. I appreciate 70's music...60's music. I could go back further. There's something about putting your heart into it that's appealing to me, regardless of the genre.

What's disappointing now is that these young artists have no respect for their own craft or those that paved the way for them to pick the craft up. This is why the music is not as good or better than what came before it.

Most of them seem like they don't care abut bar structure, speaking coherently, etc. they care about 15 min of fame and show money and that's it. Nobody is trying to push the craft further.

Then the excuse tends to be age. Hip hop has always been a young persons thing. LL was 15 when he made I need a beat. Adrock was a teenager or in his early 20's when he produced it. There's no excuse for the lack of quality from these younger artists that choose to sing off key into a vocoder over a tired, duplicated trap beat.
 
debs 168 said:
I look at hip hop differently than s lot of ppl I guess. I can appreciate 80s hip hop up to about 2003. Everything after 03 it just depends. I appreciate 70's music...60's music. I could go back further. There's something about putting your heart into it that's appealing to me, regardless of the genre.

What's disappointing now is that these young artists have no respect for their own craft or those that paved the way for them to pick the craft up. This is why the music is not as good or better than what came before it.

Most of them seem like they don't care abut bar structure, speaking coherently, etc. they care about 15 min of fame and show money and that's it. Nobody is trying to push the craft further.

Then the excuse tends to be age. Hip hop has always been a young persons thing. LL was 15 when he made I need a beat. Adrock was a teenager or in his early 20's when he produced it. There's no excuse for the lack of quality from these younger artists that choose to sing off key into a vocoder over a tired, duplicated trap beat.
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Great post, repped!
 
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