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Bernie seems cool but I doubt I'll vote and I def don't trust him yet and probably never will.

I know it's what everyone is saying. The less of two evils. I'll be damned if I ever vote republican and democrats aren't much better. At least you can laugh at how dumb most republicans are. Then you sit back and think these are the people with power...
You seem to be generalizing a bit, just because Bernie belongs to the same party as Hilary doesn't mean they share the same views. Any change in the right direction is good change. Now we vote for president we thought would change things(Obama), in the future we vote for someone who can be actually be a stronger and more seasoned individual to deal with the house and senate in the right manner that could be advantageous for the general public. Small step dude.
 
How diddy a millionaire and a grown *** middle aged man that's barely coming to the conclusion I came to at 21 years of age lol
 
Bernie will not have any better luck than Obama with a GOP Congress

Lets not fool ourselves here.

If Obeezy keep his og Congress, things would be looking way better now
 
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Bernie seems cool but I doubt I'll vote and I def don't trust him yet and probably never will.

I know it's what everyone is saying. The less of two evils. I'll be damned if I ever vote republican and democrats aren't much better. At least you can laugh at how dumb most republicans are. Then you sit back and think these are the people with power...
You seem to be generalizing a bit, just because Bernie belongs to the same party as Hilary doesn't mean they share the same views. Any change in the right direction is good change. Now we vote for president we thought would change things(Obama), in the future we vote for someone who can be actually be a stronger and more seasoned individual to deal with the house and senate in the right manner that could be advantageous for the general public. Small step dude.
Trueeeee, maybe I'll vote again. Last time I voted was obama's first term. I gotta follow him more though. I just don't like the fact that I'm forced to participate in this and I honestly don't believe in much the government does. I can't sit back and say I'm proud of our country, our country is embarrassing.
 
Bernie will not have any better luck than Obama with Congress.

Lets not fool ourselves here

Of course. I typed that wrong. Just used Obama as an example of a candidate we successfully chose which is an example of us having control over who we vote for(albeit an unexperienced one).
 
Bernie will not have any better luck than Obama with Congress.

Lets not fool ourselves here
I definitely see him exercising that veto power heavily.

Congressional seats are up for election as well. Though it isn't a strong point in the press, I feel there is there is going to be a massive democratic sweep of the house and senate.
 
I definitely see him exercising that veto power heavily.
Congressional seats are up for election as well. Though it isn't a strong point in the press, I feel there is there is going to be a massive democratic sweep of the house and senate.
With all this in-fighting between the republicans, I agree.
 
Bernie will not have any better luck than Obama with Congress.


Lets not fool ourselves here
I definitely see him exercising that veto power heavily.
Congressional seats are up for election as well. Though it isn't a strong point in the press, I feel there is there is going to be a massive democratic sweep of the house and senate.

Brah the GOP will keep the House easily.

And the Dems have a small shot at the Senate.

If get a Dem president, then SCOTUS in play to flip liberal finally. Which would be a welcome change since these fools talking about rolling back some civil rights laws :smh:
 
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Bernie will not have any better luck than Obama with Congress.


Lets not fool ourselves here
I definitely see him exercising that veto power heavily.
Congressional seats are up for election as well. Though it isn't a strong point in the press, I feel there is there is going to be a massive democratic sweep of the house and senate.
Brah the GOP will keep the House easily.

And the Dems have a small shot at the Senate.

If get a Dem president, then SCOTUS in play to flip liberal finally. Which would be a welcome change since these fools talking about rolling back some civil rights laws
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Nah congressional approval has been death for months now. Republicans aren't going to keep a majority in either house. Especially with the populist sentiment on both sides right now the dems are gonna take majorities in both houses.
 
I got nothing against Bernie but to me he feels like the new Ralph Nader. Only difference is in this political climate with more young ppl actively involved he's getting a bit more support than Nader ever got. To me he's benefiting off some of what Nader did.


There's one thing about becoming president on a day to day basis I don't think ppl notice. There's many candidates but there are some things these candidates probably aren't prepared for. Take Obama for instance, son was so hopeful and had this light in his eyes when he ran and then after he got in you saw it less in more speeches, it was like he got told the truth about humanity or some ****. Looked beat down as time went on. Realized the job is way more about managing all these *************, not making waves about things that actually matter, holding together international affairs, and then actually focusing on things he could actually change. On top of dealing with the unpredictable ****.

Why you think George W. took so many vacation days in 2 terms where he dealt with the biggest terrorist attack on U.S. soil along with 2 wars in the middle east he started. Son wasn't ready for all that ****.

It's why I feel Hilary is ready even though her policies she's running on aren't all the best. She probably heard some of that deep dark secret that shatters most hopeful elected president's dreams :lol: :smh:

I feel if Bernie got it, he'd be like what the ****?!! You gotta be kidding me. I aint sign up for this ****. Can't see him throwing shade at Putin.

How diddy a millionaire and a grown *** middle aged man that's barely coming to the conclusion I came to at 21 years of age lol
He probably been knew but when he actually tried to be apart of some actual change he probably saw how much bull **** it was :lol:

Like he was probably naive in thinking getting more ppl to vote would change a lot.
 
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Bernie will not have any better luck than Obama with Congress.



Lets not fool ourselves here
I definitely see him exercising that veto power heavily.

Congressional seats are up for election as well. Though it isn't a strong point in the press, I feel there is there is going to be a massive democratic sweep of the house and senate.


Brah the GOP will keep the House easily.


And the Dems have a small shot at the Senate.


If get a Dem president, then SCOTUS in play to flip liberal finally. Which would be a welcome change since these fools talking about rolling back some civil rights laws :smh:
Nah congressional approval has been death for months now. Republicans aren't going to keep a majority in either house. Especially with the populist sentiment on both sides right now the dems are gonna take majorities in both houses.

That means little.

People tend to hate Congress but like their representative.

Waves only happens when their is serious outrage.

The GOP will keep the house. Unless turnout is historic
 
I got nothing against Bernie but to me he feels like the new Ralph Nader. Only difference is in this political climate with more young ppl actively involved he's getting a bit more support than Nader ever got. To me he's benefiting off some of what Nader did.


There's one thing about becoming president on a day to day basis I don't think ppl notice. There's many candidates but there are some things these running probably aren't prepared for. Take Obama for instance, son was so hopeful and had this light in his eyes when he ran and then after he got in you saw it less in more speeches, it was like he got told the truth about humanity or some ****. Looked beat down as time went on. Realized the job is way more about managing all these *************, not making waves about things that actually matter, holding together international affairs, and then actually focusing on things he could actually change. On top of dealing with the unpredictable ****.

It's why I feel Hilary is ready even though her policies she's running on aren't all the best. She probably heard some of that deep dark secret that shatters most hopeful elected president's dreams :lol: :smh:

I feel if Bernie got it, he'd be like what the ****?!! You gotta be kidding me. I aint sign up for this ****. Can't see him throwing shade at Putin.
He probably been knew but when he actually tried to be apart of some actual change he probably saw how much bull **** it was :lol:

Like he was probably naive in thinking getting more ppl to vote would change a lot.
Cant compare Obama to Bernie. He doesn't run off of speeches entirely. He has more experience, has a more goal-oriented mindset, and he seems like a stronger individual period. Two different personalities completely. You should check out his videos on YouTube. Way more fire in his personality than Nader too.
 
Cant compare Obama to Bernie. He doesn't run off of speeches entirely. He has more experience, has a more goal-oriented mindset, and he seems like a stronger individual period. Two different personalities completely. You should check out his videos on YouTube. Way more fire in his personality than Nader too.
I'm not really comparing Obama and Bernie off speeches.

I'm just saying Obama invoked hope and seemed way more confident and his tone switched up after a few months in office. Bernie aint even that type, I can see him being way more disheveled with dealing with all that power. The goal oriented mindset is what I'm talking about. I feel like he's gonna realize a lot of the stuff he wanted to do he won't be able to do cuz he'll have to be handling unfinished Bush and Obama stuff, while dealing with new ****, while dealing with the legislative branch, etc.

It's like after elected, they take the president in a dark room and drop that real knowledge on them. On some you've really been in the matrix this whole time bad news. Then they're just a little more depressed going forward.


I've followed Bernie's movement and when he's being passionate it's there but I still get this vibe like he can't multitask. He'd have to be on point 24/7 coming with measured and thoughtful responses when a crisis is going down.

As for the Nader comparison, I was just saying Bernie is like the 2.0 version. Better in many ways but a very similar appeal to the young ppl that happen to be supporting him.
 
Puffy is a multi millionaire......of course he's telling folks not to vote......Bernie Sanders is threatening to tax the rich HARD if he gets in.
 
Obama ran on an entirely different playform than Bernie. He ran on a unifying compromise platform

And to say he just won on speeches is just not true.

Bernie himself being a relative extremists has never really had to govern and cut deals.

He could always play the "stickin to my principles" card

Just looking at his voting record.

To me, Obama 2008 is a better candiate than Bernie 2016.

Him being an relative outsider was refreshing
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This is not about president brahs. This is not the Political Thread 2.0

This is bigger issue. We need to chnage the root cause of these problems.

So it is fairer for everyone. Not just for liberals to get their way.

If the system was genuinely fair and the GOP sweeped everything, I would be fine with it

I would be scare for my people doe :lol:
 
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Obama ran on an entirely different playform than Bernie. He ran on a unifying compromise platform

And to say he just won on speeches is just not true.
FTR, I didn't say either of these things.

I was just using speeches and Obama's personality/attitude in telling them as an example when I was comparing how he was after he was elected and especially in his 2nd term and how I felt that'd be for Bernie.

Bernie himself being a relative extremists has never really had to govern and cut deals.

He could always play the "stickin to my principles" card

Just looking at his voting record.

To me, Obama 2008 is a better candiate than Bernie 2016.
I can agree with this.
 
I wasn't referring to you brah with that first part famb.

My bad. It was more of a general comment/reply Danik

-But adding to that point would say that Obama signaled how he was going to govern when he was running. In middle

Problem is in 2008 we thought that meant we would get center left policies. And that went poof in just two years

Bernie is sending a signal that he will fight the right all he can. His way or nothing, and he won't get his way, he will have to compromise or else be veiwed as the problem.
 
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I wasn't referring to you brah with that first part famb.

My bad. It was more of a general comment/reply Danik

-But I would argue that Obama signaled how he was going to govern when he was running. In middle

Problem is in 2008 we thought that meant we would get center left policies. And that went poof in just two years

Bernie is sending a signal that he will fight the right all he can. His way or nothing, and he won't get his way, he will have to compromise or else be veiwed as the problem.
Yeah you're right. I like the fight in him as well, but in this government I hope he pick his fights. I look forward to how he handles the situation with Putin and foreign policy in general. In stage, we need someone who's stern personality wise.
 
I feel you famb.

But as much as I like the guy. Solving the problems of America goes way past any candidate.
 
Not cap the amount that people are allowed to give, cap the amount the candidates are allowed to receive. Other than that I agree w/ you broham. Tuesday is the day for the world to feel the Bern

Eh, I kind feel if you can mobilize more people to donate, you deserve the extra cash

I think their should be a maybe a separate pool (I know this already exist, just expand it) that all candidate polling over a certain number can tap into.

And the rest is icing.

If incomes were a lil more better and closer, then Yea, but a million people donating can't compete with millionaires and billionaires
 
Obama ran on an entirely different playform than Bernie. He ran on a unifying compromise platform

And to say he just won on speeches is just not true.

Bernie himself being a relative extremists has never really had to govern and cut deals.

He could always play the "stickin to my principles" card

Just looking at his voting record.

To me, Obama 2008 is a better candiate than Bernie 2016.

Him being an relative outsider was refreshing
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This is not about president brahs. This is not the Political Thread 2.0

This is bigger issue. We need to chnage the root cause of these problems.

So it is fairer for everyone. Not just for liberals to get their way.

If the system was genuinely fair and the GOP sweeped everything, I would be fine with it

I would be scare for my people doe :lol:

I was an Obama supporter in 2008. Then he gets in office and doesn't back the AFL-CIO and help Laor Unions at all :smh: Even with a majority in the Senate. :smh:
 
When Obama won, I had so much hope for this country.

But when the senate and congress kept going against his vision, plus him not folllowing through some of his promises, giving in to the corporations that sponsored him, I gave up on him.

For this election, I want bernie or trump to win to promote real change without the influence of super pac money.

i don't care if trump is without superpac, dude is beyond ignorant/racist, etc., and its sad to see the hate he inspires in this country...as well as the stupidity. being cool with bernie or trump is..i don't get that :lol: but ill say that obama's presidency could've been more successful had congress supported him and not bicker amongst themselves, and employ a "w.e obama says, vote no" policy.

not a perfect president, but a solid one. made questionable decisions with appointments. but overall i think the positives outweigh the negatives. and considering the extremely hard time congress has given him, i have to give him props. i think the best thing the next president can do, is build upon the successes of obama, instead of trying to take steps to reverse them, and start at sq 1.

the middle east is a problem that will outlast many presidents, and afghanistan/iraq is pretty much you broke it, you pay for it. to expect one president to have a solution within his or her presidency is more of a pipe dream imo, but it's probably better to be more optimistic than me lol.

i should point out that, i don't ever look to one man to bring about total chance and solution to our society. i think too many people see the president as someone who has the power to fix anything. no its a system an he has to work with within the branches of gov't to bring about change. just a general thought, not calling out anyone in this thread.:D


hes not completely wrong.

voting is useless in states like NY.

no matter what you vote the electoral will always be Democrat

i dont vote.

and speaking of voting...its 2015... why isnt voting done online?

i can vote for who i think is gonna win a thursday night football game but i cant cast my ballot unless i stand in a metal box in a kids gymnasium?

this is the real issue of discussion in this thread. is the current voting system appropriate in this day and age?

i struggle with this. on one hand, i see the voting system outdated. the argument for it being the electoral system, guarantees the least populated states have a fair say in the election, as opposed to the election being essentially dictated by the heavy population, at least on a national level. but if bush can not win the popular vote, meaning majority of american population didn't vote for him, and he can still win the presidency because he won "key states" via the electoral system, isn't that a problem? what is wrong with the majority voice? so based of this conflict, voting can in a way be seen as useless, because my vote isn't directly counting as a tally towards my candidate choice, but rather...for the majority voice of my state i guess is how i would put it...


but on the other hand, low voter turn out, is why dems lost the house. and in turn, made obama's job harder than it already is.


so...whats the move?
 
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