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i disagree with the first part. there is a CAUSE behind each one of those conditions and we can control that. 
Animals have ******ation, it's a natural genetic anomaly. That's biology 101, nature is naturally imperfect, and when it comes to humans(because of our minds), it's a exponentially more complicated situation in which we can't control. If that were true, we'd be healing mental illnesses at a 100% success. If you can't perceive nature vs nurture as a viable subject than you will never get human nature as a whole.
 
Should all of this dialogue be in the Political Discussion thread or should we just keep it here so we don't clutter that post?
 
Animals have ******ation, it's a natural genetic anomaly. That's biology 101, nature is naturally imperfect, and when it comes to humans(because of our minds), it's a exponentially more complicated situation in which we can't control. If that were true, we'd be healing mental illnesses at a 100% success. If you can't perceive nature vs nurture as a viable subject than you will never get human nature as a whole.
well are we talking about ******ation or are we talking about anxiety, depression, and sociopathic behavior? their very different things and while i do agree that anomalies occur i dont buy that people can just be born mentally ****** up with no explanation whatsoever. you go far enough down the parents gene pool youll find something. the health of the 2 parents their mental state during pregnancy. the diet the environment etc. these anomalies occurring naturally should be at such a low rate that it doesnt effect society. but we live in a poisonous environment thats constructed that way purposely. i get what your saying im just saying we need to take a little more responsibility over what we control
 
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well are we talking about ******ation or are we talking about anxiety, depression, and sociopathic behavior? their very different things and while i do agree that anomalies occur i dont buy that people can just be born mentally ****** up with no explanation whatsoever. you go far enough down the parents gene pool youll find something. the health of the 2 parents their mental state during pregnancy. the diet the environment etc
The point I'm making is you can't prevent violent actions in human society, it will always exist. I was stating those condition because they all can play a factor that can contribute to violent actions alongside with millions of other variables that can also result in spontaneous(or calculated) acts of violence.
 
No, I want the full page report. You live in the vague.


1-Mass Education?


Ok what is the curriculum, who decides it, who gather the materials, who produces the materials, how are they transported..........or are you saying everyone should be taught your ideology


2- No harming of sentient beings, really?


So we just assume everyone sticks to that forever? If a man tries to rape a woman, and she shoots him, then they both did stay within that "parameter". What is the punishment, is there a punishment?


You label "root causes" but the more you talk it sounds like you're saying "people just don't believe in my ideology". If your not, then spell out what will be taught.


Your system also sounds like it will cause the economy to contract greatly, how do we over come that?


-Stop for a second, how much government involvement your think it took for your and me to be talking on the internet right now. How will your system insure this type of innovation and industrial organization continues to happen?


Please provide concrete answers. Or pm links to resources that do


I'm seriously come at you with an open mind now
youre right i should be a lot more specific. when i say mass education i mean everybody needs to be educated on NATURAL LAW and HUMAN FREEDOM specifically. because the vast majority of us have no clue about these things and how they work therefore were ripe for the taking by con artists and dictators (government) 

this is not an ideology of mine. natural law is like gravity. it just is. you understand it and how it works or you dont. simple. either way IT JUST IS. 

and were comminicating with eachother here due to the innovation and work of people like you and me. if theyre employed by the government does it really matter? the end result is acheivable govt or not

I can show you a complete breakdown of these things and how they work but aint nobody got time to watch a 9 hour seminar

-"Natural Law" is a philosophy, it is not like naturally occurring phenomena like gravity.

So it sounds like one of the pillars of your system is that we indoctrination the entire population with a single philosophy.

You can repeat over and over and over about it being the truth. But really it just sounds like you're saying that as an excuse not to explain yourself better.

-The government is just like the private sector plays a role in how the society/economy is organized.

Research needs to be funded, labs be built, materials gathered, and people put together. Government helps us do that

There might be one person somewhere that as solved a problem that could result in a major breakthrough in a different field

There needs to be a force/agency/firm that brings those people together. Yes the people solved the problem, they innovated but the government's funding and organizing of resources made it happen

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What I am saying is that government is an important institution and for many things is the best/most efficient way to get things done

AMERICA'S PROBLEM, ANY COUNTRY'S PROBLEM, is that their government doesn't function at it's maximum potential.

I'm proposing we go in a fix the core issue to make the institution of government work better

You want to rip and replace it and for the life you can't give concrete details on how the new system would work

And yet, you seem to think it is the fault of people that won't buy in.

It like those lames that be ranting on the internet about why won't girl date them, because they so great.

I'm not asking for a 9 hour seminar, and asking for details which you can't/won't provide. All you seem to have is isdeolgy and philsophy caliming to be truth and fact

Welp.......



But like I said, PM some links to resources so I can learn
 
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Should all of this dialogue be in the Political Discussion thread or should we just keep it here so we don't clutter that post?

Nah, this goes beyond a discussion about Dem and the GOP

We are discussing how society governs it.

Think it is cool to have a political discussion without it being about the regular ole stuff
 
Ehat you expect of everyone is unrealistic. Everyone will always have disagreements, whether we sure the same idealistic education or not. And a portion of those disagreements will lead to violence. People will also always have their own personal ideologies, morals, or emotion drive which may lead some to seeing violence as a viable means to address it.
 
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Thanks famb :smile:

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Ehat you expect of everyone is unrealistic. Everyone will always have disagreements, whether we sure the same idealistic education or not. And a portion of those disagreements will lead to violence. People will also always have their own personal ideologies, morals, or emotion drive which may lead some to seeing violence as a viable means to address it.
heres the thing, whats works for me may not work for you. 

thats the problem. we have a group of people telling everybody collectively whats best for them because they believe it to be.

so for those ppl you refer to who will disagree break these laws that are set for all of us
 
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Ehat you expect of everyone is unrealistic. Everyone will always have disagreements, whether we sure the same idealistic education or not. And a portion of those disagreements will lead to violence. People will also always have their own personal ideologies, morals, or emotion drive which may lead some to seeing violence as a viable means to address it.
I'm surprised he doesn't realize that in this very thread where he thinks everybody else just isn't getting what he's explaining.

Before you get to the idea of just finding the right solution and convincing ppl who are open you'll have to deal with a whole lot of ppl that will straight up refuse to do it your way no mater what.
 
heres the thing, whats works for me may not work for you. 

thats the problem. we have a group of people telling everybody collectively whats best for them because they believe it to be.
Well what works for you may not work for others, you yourself have your own system that may not work for everyone. Especially since you don't expect people to kill each other have no way to address it when it happens. In your society, you want everyone to have the same teachings, which is an extreme in itself. What your idea of an ideal society is just another means of controling people. Any standardized education is a form of teaching one ideology.
 
Well what works for you may not work for others, you yourself have your own system that may not work for everyone. Especially since you don't expect people to kill each other have no way to address it when it happens. In your society, you want everyone to have the same teachings, which is an extreme in itself. What your idea of an ideal society is just another means of controling people. Any standardized education is a form of teaching one ideology.
never said any of this 
 
never said any of this 
You saying you want mass education for everyone and you want everyone to not harm one another no matter what is an ideology you expect everyone to have, you stated that. And naturally, everyone won't agree with it and it's against mother nature for any species to uniformly live in harmony like that. That is unless it's a queen and worker bee society.
 
yeah mass education on specific topics that are very detrimental yet arent discussed at all. never did i say force it down anybodys throat. just make it widely available because currently it is not. 

and if youre not down with not harming others outside of consenting competition or self defense then youre a bad person period.
 
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yeah mass education on specific topics that are very detrimental yet arent discussed at all. never did i say force it down anybodys throat. 

and if youre not down with not violating others outside of consenting competition or self defense then youre a bad person period.

1) Than you society will be riddled with some sort of governance eventually, like-minded individuals will get together and form their own societies.

2) Mother Nature is not bad, it's Mother Nature. Sometimes people are just murderous, your society might even cause more crazy behavior since it's so far departed from what the public is use to.
 
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so some people are just murderous for no reason at all? i can see why you might think that but i disagree. 

what i propose is gradual change. simply giving people other options besides the few that we are force fed today.

not a drastic change that will shock the system. everybody is too pacified by the current ways of things to deal with that.

not all of us are weak tho 
 
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so some people are just murderous for no reason at all? i can see why you might think that but i disagree. 
It's not what I think, there's scientific proof behind that. Psychopaths and Sociopaths feel less than an average person, they lack empathy. And those are just the extreme conditions. Like I said earlier, strong-emotional responses also result in extreme actions daily everywhere. All it takes is one course of action that make a person a murderer, they may regret it, or they may justify it, or they may find it to be enjoyable. We don't have the human body and mind fully mapped out, so we can't control it for ourselves and certainly not for others.
 
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