EDIT: New Question, is LeBron the second greatest player of all time? So, has Steph Curry overtaken

Who is the best basketball player in the world?

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  • Steph Curry

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  • Russell Westbrook

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  • Kevin Durant

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  • Anthony Davis

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moe200069 said:
Steph's 2015 finals averages in 6 games:

26/5/6. sure he got "locked" up by delladova in game 2 but let's not act like he disappeared the rest of the series. yall let the whole "iggy was MVP of the Finals" narrative cloud your mind when it comes to assessing steph's play in last year's finals. please stop with that bs.

if you want to talk about crumbling when it counted, then I'll say that this years' finals and a majority of the WCF for sure. but stop acting like he was a no-show in last year's finals.
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Too much sense
 
No intelligent discussions to be had on here, just at at the percentage of people who think curry is better than lebron just because he can shoot better.

I explained that lebron is better all around because he's 6'8 and can play 1-4 effectively on offensive and defensive. All yall fools gave me long *** paragraphs about how it was debatable :smh:
 
Rollinwithangel said:
No intelligent discussions to be had on here, just at at the percentage of people who think curry is better than lebron just because he can shoot better.

 
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Because that's not how that argument works.

This isn't 2K where you look at each players attributes and that determines who's better than who. Which player is maxing out his ability to DOMINATE. Lebron's done it for over a decade (and took a few L's on the big stage). Steph Curry did that these past couple of years (took an L doing it). 

You dudes get lost in this back and forth banter and don't realize that we're talking about LEGENDS. I'm ok with someone saying Lebron is better. But stop acting like the argument was sooooooo silly as if it had no merit. Steph Curry name is on this thread for a reason. It doesn't say Kyrie Irving...it doesn't say Russell Westbrook...it doesn't say Kevin Durant. In Lebron's 13 years...Steph has been the loudest competition to his claim to "the throne". 

I could care less about the back and forth hater talk where dudes clearly start trolling in their points...I have no dog in the fight either. I'm just saying...Steph is in the midst of a storied career. Stop acting like this debate is about Kyle Lowry and Lebron.
 
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Slick Vitale said:
Because that's not how that argument works.

This isn't 2K where you look at each players attributes and that determines who's better than who. Which player is maxing out his ability to DOMINATE. Lebron's done it for over a decade (and took a few L's on the big stage). Steph Curry did that these past couple of years (took an L doing it). 

You dudes get lost in this back and forth banter and don't realize that we're talking about LEGENDS. I'm ok with someone saying Lebron is better. But stop acting like the argument was sooooooo silly as if it had no merit. Steph Curry name is on this thread for a reason. It doesn't say Kyrie Irving...it doesn't say Russell Westbrook...it doesn't say Kevin Durant. In Lebron's 13 years...Steph has been the loudest competition to his claim to "the throne". 

I could care less about the back and forth hater talk where dudes clearly start trolling in their points...I have no dog in the fight either. I'm just saying...Steph is in the midst of storied career. Stop acting like this debate is about Kyle Lowry and Lebron.
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Steph is a legend and the greatest shooter of alltime, I'm not one to deny that. He also deserved mvp this year. I'm not one to deny that either. He's also top 3 in the league and if someone disagrees they're just being a blind hater.

But like I said bron is easily the better all around player. That's my only argument here and if anyone disagrees I probably won't take anymore opinions seriously,
I mean come on....
 
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Rollinwithangel said:
Steph is a legend and the greatest shooter of alltime, I'm not one to deny that. He also deserved mvp this year. I'm not one to deny that either. He's also top 3 in the league.

But like I said bron is easily the better all around player. That's my only argument if you disagree I probably won't take anymore opinions seriously,
I mean come on....
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I understood your point perfectly. 

"Best All Around Player" is not necessarily the same as who someone who may say is the "Best player". If it is...then you're telling damn near every legendary big man that ever lived can never have called themselves the best player in the league since the position doesn't necessarily require as much versatility as the modern NBA wing.

Obviously Lebron does more all around. However, this is/was a discussion because (again) Steph maxed out HIS ability  and dominated. His shooting has undeniably been the most disruptive force in the L in the past couple of years...the same way Lebron's versatility, size and iq is what made him the most disruptive force for the bulk of the past decade. The same way Shaq's size and post work made him the most disruptive force in the league. Best all around and "best" aren't the same convo.
 
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OLDHOTDOGWATER said:
 
Do you? Curry chucked up a lot of threes. He made them at a 40+ percentile, however a lot of them where still bad shots.
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Dude shut up. If you aren't trolling, that may have been the worst basketball comment I've ever read on NT ever. You can't compare steph curry to Jordan Crawford or 15'-16' Kobe and have anything valid to say after that.

If you make 45% of your 3's on high volume, it doesn't matter if they're good or bad shots. The end. They are only bad if they don't go in. They didn't. (Even in the finals he shot 40% from 3) 
 
Lebron was the best all around player in the finals.

But he wasn't the best all around player this season. He didn't play anyone's defense this past season, or last season for that matter. He couldn't shoot at all this season. So him being the best all around player this past season is a complete farce. 

Steph Curry was the best player in the league this past season, and probably the past two seasons honestly. And steph curry may not be a spectacular defender to most, but he was just as good as lebron if not better than lebron defensively, these past two seasons relatively speaking. (Obviously Lebron due to size and athleticism has the potential to be a better defender but he wasn't these past two seasons. ) 
 
LIONBLOOD said:
The fact remains, it didn't matter whether curry took a three or a mid range or even a lay up, it was all the same percentage.....so he just took threes cause it got more points. If my threes were going in as much as mid range shots I'd be launching threes as well.

Unfortunately, live by the three die by the three. Dude forgot about all other aspects of his game focusing on chucking up shots in the playoffs.
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Well his chucking got them to within one minute of being back to back champs so his "chucking" hasn't been that bad.

A player as efficient as Steph is can't be considered a chucker by the way. He makes 45% of his 3's which means...NVM y'all don't get it 
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lol I dunno, I'm actually not mad he got it dude had an all-time great season.....but people are looking back now at Lebron's beef with him winning and it makes perfect sense. MVP is not necessarily a measure of value to a team...which is ok I guess.

The fact remains, it didn't matter whether curry took a three or a mid range or even a lay up, it was all the same percentage.....so he just took threes cause it got more points. If my threes were going in as much as mid range shots I'd be launching threes as well.

Unfortunately, live by the three die by the three. Dude forgot about all other aspects of his game focusing on chucking up shots in the playoffs.
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Lebron didn't unearth that argument. That's a (ridiculous) argument that has been around for a while. And if we're going to subscribe to that logic...we should have given the award to Damian Lillard since that team would have won 20 games max without him.

Edit -i skipped over your second comment.

do you even basketball bro?
 
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You really weren't watching Lebron these past two seasons if you think he was an elite defender these past two years. Saying Steph was better than Lebron defensively these past two years is hardly egregious. 
 
Bron decides to play defense for 3 games and 3 years of not doing it goes right out the window. That's not how it works.
 
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Bron decides to play defense for 3 games and 3 years of not doing it goes right out the window. That's not how it works.
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How does it work? Do it throughout the season an leave without a ring?

I'm not even sure where y'all are getting this lebron not playing defense from, cause if he didn't Cleveland would be in horrible shape. Sure he doesn't have the intensity every game like he did in his 20's but saying he doesn't play it is absurd
 
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Rollinwithangel said:
How does it work? Do it throughout the season an leave without a ring?
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If you're going to use that logic...then I guess when Lebron actually was in his prime defensively...that because he lost in 2011 it means he actually WASN'T a great defender that year?

Is that how that works?
 
Slick Vitale said:
If you're going to use that logic...then I guess when Lebron actually was in his prime defensively...that because he lost in 2011 it means he actually WASN'T a great defender that year?

Is that how that works?
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Naw but you can read the edit then continue to argue somemore even though the world knows bron is better than steph, and if they didn't believe it before they sure do now
 
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Rollinwithangel said:
Naw but you can read the edit then continue to argue somemore even though the world knows bron is better than steph, and if they didn't believe it before they sure do now
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You've moved goal posts so many times 
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It's like when you get stumped you just revert back to "Lebron > Steph"

I'm not getting to into that Groundhog Day loop. You win.
 
Slick Vitale said:
You've moved goal posts so many times :lol:

It's like when you get stumped you just revert back to "Lebron > Steph"

I'm not getting to into that Groundhog Day loop. You win.
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Thanks, no goalpost were moved my whole point from the get go was bron is better than steph, all around and period.
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Part of being the best is doing it in a consistent basis, not in spurts. For the vast majority of the last 3 seasons, Bron's efforts or lack thereof on the defensive end of the floor have diminished from his peak in 2012 and 2013. Same with good offensive efficiency, he literally forgot how to shoot the last 2 seasons. The analytics and eye test back it up. He's not the same terminator player he was in Miami out even those last 2 seasons in Cleveland in 09 and 10. He's still able to put his imprint on the game though but not at the level he was before. I'm not going to let a 3 game stretch override a much larger sample size. It makes no sense.
 
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LIONBLOOD said:
 
If you can guard 5 positions on the floor you are an elite defender. People are just mad he doesn't play with the same intensity on defense during the regular season. If i was guaranteed a place into the playoffs in a weak *** conference, I wouldn't be trying that hard either.

His defense in important games >>>>>
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1) He can't guard all 5 positions and doesn't 90% of the time. 

And Idc the mindset as to why he doesn't "Try hard" on defense. Fact of the matter is, he doesn't really play defense anymore. 
 
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