EDIT: New Question, is LeBron the second greatest player of all time? So, has Steph Curry overtaken

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And I understand why he's done it or why is dropped, the mileage he's put on his body is crazy. He has to pace himself in order to have enough to go at the end of these playoff runs. But you can't just ignore what other players like Steph, KD, and even Westbrook have done now for the better part of two seasons consistently. And then ignore there's been clear regression from Bron in several areas.
 
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Slick Vitale said:
I understood your point perfectly. 

"Best All Around Player" is not necessarily the same as who someone who may say is the "Best player". If it is...then you're telling damn near every legendary big man that ever lived can never have called themselves the best player in the league since the position doesn't necessarily require as much versatility as the modern NBA wing.

Obviously Lebron does more all around. However, this is/was a discussion because (again) Steph maxed out HIS ability and dominated. His shooting has undeniably been the most disruptive force in the L in the past couple of years...the same way Lebron's versatility, size and iq is what made him the most disruptive force for the bulk of the past decade. The same way Shaq's size and post work made him the most disruptive force in the league. Best all around and "best" aren't the same convo.
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Did we just become best friends bro? I think we did. Need more posts like this in NT S&T. You, ShoeKing and a couple others are one of the few on this board that really know the game.

Will rep the sht outta these post when I get em back :pimp:
 
Like I said, Steph is a chucker. A chucker who's shots just so happen to go in during the regular season. They also just so happen to not go in during the post season and we see what happens: he looks like a helpless child playing against the Monstars.
 
Foamposite XI said:
Like I said, Steph is a chucker. A chucker who's shots just so happen to go in during the regular season. They also just so happen to not go in during the post season and we see what happens: he looks like a helpless child playing against the Monstars.
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I wouldn't belittle steph greatness like this :lol:

But I will say in back to back finals appearances he wasn't even considered to be finals MVP for either one
 
Foamposite XI said:
Like I said, Steph is a chucker. A chucker who's shots just so happen to go in during the regular season. They also just so happen to not go in during the post season and we see what happens: he looks like a helpless child playing against the Monstars.
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So. Much. Wrong.

It's not like he's that bad in the postseason. When did this narrative even start? 
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And you can't call someone who shoots 50% from the field and 45% from 3 a "chucker."

What's wrong with y'all man lol
 
Mamba MVP said:
Part of being the best is doing it in a consistent basis, not in spurts. For the vast majority of the last 3 seasons, Bron's efforts or lack thereof on the defensive end of the floor have diminished from his peak in 2012 and 2013. Same with good offensive efficiency, he literally forgot how to shoot the last 2 seasons. The analytics and eye test back it up. He's not the same terminator player he was in Miami out even those last 2 seasons in Cleveland in 09 and 10. He's still able to put his imprint on the game though but not at the level he was before. I'm not going to let a 3 game stretch override a much larger sample size. It makes no sense.
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MAANNN, I've said multiple times that Miami Lebron >>>>>>>>> Cleveland Lebron and it's not even close and nobody wants to hear it. :smh:
 
Lebron isn't a two way player anymore to me.

It's not like he's Chris Paul, or Klay Thompson, or KD, Jimmy Butler, Paul george, (even though he slipped defensively this year) Kahwi Leonard, guys who legit are elite two way players. 
 
Alright, maybe I was being a little harsh, but you guys see where I was getting at. :lol:

He just wasn't as dominant in the post-season as the regular season and his injury isn't an excuse.
 
LIONBLOOD said:
He doesn't need to be on the same level he was before. If I've been to the finals 6 years straight, I'm not busting my behind in useless games. If Lebron wants to turn on the jets every single game of the season he could, but why risk injury and fatigue.


If I were an elite tennis player and I needed to play 20 scrubs to get to my championship match, you think I'm putting the same intensity in every match? No, I'll pace myself, increasing intensity of my matches as I get closer to the championship.


And one thing lebron has taught me is his faults are better than most people's best efforts. Dude will give you 25 8 and 6 in a win and people will still question whether he is on the decline or his effort. He doesn't need to be that 25 year old kid who scored 30 a game.
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But you same dudes will come here and say Steph curry can't play defense because Klay sticks the opposing PG.

Y'all logic is so flawed man. LeBron doesn't need to play defense....but Steph curry needs to guard the best perimeter player EVERYTIME...even though he doesn't have to?

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But you same dudes will come here and say Steph curry can't play defense because Klay sticks the opposing PG.

Y'all logic is so flawed man. LeBron doesn't need to play defense....but Steph curry needs to guard the best perimeter player EVERYTIME...even though he doesn't have to?

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Sssshhhhhhhh
 
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Dude will give you 25 8 and 6 in a win and people will still question whether he is on the decline or his effort
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The irony.

Steph puts up a measly "26, 6, and 5" in a finals win last year and apparently that's underperforming because he didn't win MVP.
 
See that's the thing, we have seen him do that before, I think it's silly to think he's capable of doing it for a full season anymore. You think it's by choice but clearly some of it has to do with him declining. And also the ascent of the other players I mentioned before to close that gap and in my opinion overtake him. It's similar to what happened in 09-10 with he and Kobe although Bean still put up good numbers he clearly wasn't the same player he was in 06 or 07, yet he was still holding the chip at the time so it was still a debate between him and Bron. It happens to every great they don't stay on top forever.
 
I mean people really just forgot how poor he was defensively the 1st 4 games of the Finals. Like really bad.
 
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Lebron has had to guard the best player on any team regardless of position. This was an argument about his "effort" in the regular season. And whatever people say lebron doesn't do right, he still does better than 99 percent of the league. His defensive effort in playoff games has been superb, but don't expect him to bring that every game in the regular season.
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Like in 2011 when Dirk was hanging his foot off in Miami's *** but he didn't guard him or 09 when he was guarding Rafer Alston while Turk and Rashard made it rain on em?
 
Slick Vitale said:
The irony.

Steph puts up a measly "26, 6, and 5" in a finals win last year and apparently that's underperforming because he didn't win MVP.
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Talk to em.

LIONBLOOD said:
How many players have obviously been too much for Lebron to handle, let's hear it? :lol:


Lebron has had to guard the best player on any team regardless of position. This was an argument about his "effort" in the regular season. And whatever people say lebron doesn't do right, he still does better than 99 percent of the league. His defensive effort in playoff games has been superb, but don't expect him to bring that every game in the regular season.
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Bron was terrible on defense in the finals last year. He was guarding Iggy. Iggy averaged 18ppg against Bron.

LIONBLOOD said:
some of the names on here. :lol: :rofl:
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Basketball must not be your thing. Your exposing yourself here bruh. All those names ShoeKing listed are elite two way players.
 
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Iggy was clearly more valuable than Steph in last year's finals. Draymond Green would've won this year if they won the finals, deservingly so.
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I just pointed out your contradiction of praising Lebron and knocking Steph for the same thing. I ain't ask who you thought was the MVP.
 
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[thread="639474"]Lebron "defense" in game 7 almost cost the Cavs the title b.[/thread]
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Lebron chase block 1/2 of the reason why they won game 7

Other 1/2 is Kyrie cooking Curry for the win

Curry not showing up when it counted lost GSW the series
 
getrichquik1987 said:
Lebron chase block 1/2 of the reason why they won game 7

Other 1/2 is Kyrie cooking Curry for the win

Curry not showing up when it counted lost GSW the series
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I just want one question.

Steph is 1-1 in the finals.

When Lebron lost 4 times in the finals...does it mean he didn't "show up in when it counted" and if it does...are you also knocking him the same way for those?
 
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LIONBLOOD said:
Yea dude was his entire team

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/lebron-james-stats-in-the-nba-finals-2015-1.10527777


But he allowed Igoudala  16.3 points, 5.8 rebounds and 4.0 assists, assuming he had primary responsibility for Iggy all series. :lol:  


Lebron is an elite defender, he's the linebacker of their entire defense.
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If lebron didn't play defense like they claim Cleveland would be a first round exit team. Dude is a general out there. But I peeped game in this thread, especially when I saw Paul George and klay Thompson listed as elite 2way players and not bron.

But I guess I don't watch basketball
 
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