Simultaneous terrorist attacks around Paris...Vol. Here we go again.Update 07/14/16 p42: Nice terror

Slighted said:
 
Is there a glaring reason why Obama is so adamant on taking the refugees in?

Why are we always trying to play cap'n save a thot?
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So that at the end of the day when the us takes over Syria, they will have the favor of the Syrian people to do as they please without interference. Almost like a reverse psychology thing.

I have this theory about why U.S. negotiate with terrorists:

Say the U.S. has interests in a resource of a country. They create a bad guy. Wipe out bad guy. Take over resources. Considering that the below states that natural gas is an abundant resource of Syria, it would seem to me that here lies a reason for the U.S. being interested in taking over the country.

"One of the main contributors to the economy in Syria is its energy industry. Along with crude oil fields, Syria is home to a wealth of natural gas reserves. The fields are estimated to contain 8.5 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. It is one of Syria's richest natural resources."
 
DubA169 said:
In theory taking refugees is a wonderful idea, but people are obviously gonna be pissed. Like who is gonna pay and get jobs for these people. Many unskilled workers from a diff culture. Do they know english?

if obama really feels that we should be doing this and that it's safe, he should sell the public on it. Use the bully pulpit. Don't simply dismiss and demonize opposition.

1- explain in detail the vetting process.
2- explain why the international community is going to fight in syria while able bodied men are relocating to europe and america
3- explain why it is the righteous thing to do and in our national interests

3 is easy to create a narrative. 1 i don't know

2 is the hardest
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From my understanding - I believe that a lot of refugees get funds to start a new life in addition to a bunch of tax breaks, if and when they pay taxes which could be years.

Someone care to share some light?
 
blco02 said:
Obama is just traitorous at this point. We have already caught refugees in the US turning radical and planning attacks:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-refugees-given-safe-haven-turned-terror.html

And don't forget that the Boston bombers were refugees:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...2c2566-a8e4-11e2-a8e2-5b98cb59187f_story.html

Even the FBI director admits there's no way to screen all the Syrian refugees Obama wants to accept:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ees-Obama-administration-plans-accept-US.html
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Since 1975, the U.S. has resettled more than three million refugees.
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Let's do some math... 70/3,000,000 = 0.0002%

OMG

The sky is falling.. the sky is falling! Fear mongering at it's best.

:rolleyes

I am more worried about these mentally ill Americans high on prescription narcotics planning on shooting up schools than refugees whom are being monitored by the NSA.
 
SunDOOBIE said:
Let's do some math... 70/3,000,000 = 0.0002%

OMG

The sky is falling.. the sky is falling! Fear mongering at it's best.

eyes.gif


I am more worried about these mentally ill Americans high on prescription narcotics planning on shooting up schools than refugees whom are being monitored by the NSA.
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QFT
 
SunDOOBIE said:
Let's do some math... 70/3,000,000 = 0.0002%

OMG

The sky is falling.. the sky is falling! Fear mongering at it's best.

:rolleyes

I am more worried about these mentally ill Americans high on prescription narcotics planning on shooting up schools than refugees whom are being monitored by the NSA.
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So much this.
 
Numbers don't move the dial. Random american sees homeless vets and the government concentrating on helping outsiders. Sees american troops eventually getting involved while the population leaves to europe and america.


Honestly if i were him i would repeat "it's the christian thing to do" non stop. It would drive the right nuts.
 
Keko Jones said:
Obama negotiated with terrorist .......

In regards to a military mastermind, he has lost all traction.

People talk about he caught Bin Laden, but really, are you that stupid to think that wasn't already in the works???

SMH!

Everything else he has done, is left up to those that he affected. Some say great and others not .... so ....
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I totally understand what your saying how Obama has lost all traction and I totally agree with you on that. However when your saying why do people claim Obama found bin laden, since it's been proven it was already in the works before his presidency. I can also ask why do people , mostly conservatives obviously , claim Obama's administration created Isis. This couldn't be anymore false. In 2003, after overthrowing husseins government, bush disbanded the Iraqi military. These men were put out of work, had no income, and were somewhat ashamed. Yet all these men had military training, and access to arms. This was the true origin of Isis. Obviously once America left Iraq all together and Obama started making matters worst, things got hectic.
 
SunDOOBIE said:
Let's do some math... 70/3,000,000 = 0.0002%

OMG

The sky is falling.. the sky is falling! Fear mongering at it's best.

eyes.gif


I am more worried about these mentally ill Americans high on prescription narcotics planning on shooting up schools than refugees whom are being monitored by the NSA.
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i have never been uncomfortable around a brown skinned dude but I'm always on high alert when I see a twitchy white dude walking around the mall/movie theater 
 
XCMC said:
Slighted said:
 
Is there a glaring reason why Obama is so adamant on taking the refugees in?

Why are we always trying to play cap'n save a thot?
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So that at the end of the day when the us takes over Syria, they will have the favor of the Syrian people to do as they please without interference. Almost like a reverse psychology thing.

I have this theory about why U.S. negotiate with terrorists:

Say the U.S. has interests in a resource of a country. They create a bad guy. Wipe out bad guy. Take over resources. Considering that the below states that natural gas is an abundant resource of Syria, it would seem to me that here lies a reason for the U.S. being interested in taking over the country.

"One of the main contributors to the economy in Syria is its energy industry. Along with crude oil fields, Syria is home to a wealth of natural gas reserves. The fields are estimated to contain 8.5 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. It is one of Syria's richest natural resources."
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And it would free Western Europe from Russian gas, which is why Putin doesn't want Assad to go.

With the Syrian president under the control of Moscow, Putin still has leverage on the EU since Russia is the largest provider of natural gas in the region. With Assad gone and replaced by a leader much more receptive to western interests, the influence of Russia in Europe and the demand for its natural resources goes down.
 
bronconation24 said:
I totally understand what your saying how Obama has lost all traction and I totally agree with you on that. However when your saying why do people claim Obama found bin laden, since it's been proven it was already in the works before his presidency. I can also ask why do people , mostly conservatives obviously , claim Obama's administration created Isis. This couldn't be anymore false. In 2003, after overthrowing husseins government, bush disbanded the Iraqi military. These men were put out of work, had no income, and were somewhat ashamed. Yet all these men had military training, and access to arms. This was the true origin of Isis. Obviously once America left Iraq all tgether and Obama started making matters worst, things got hectic.
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That's the problem ... If the administration would of have stayed and followed up with the strategy set in place, things could of have been different. The out of work high ranking officials were waiting for the American administration to put them to work. For the entire war campaing work was not offered; However, the fact that America was still present made them hesitant to join ISIS. Once America did what everyone there thought they would do .. LEAVE .. well they needed employment and they made ISIS what it is now. A lot of those cats had followers .. SMH

Another reason why is so hard to break thought out there ... we go **** **** up say we going to do and we never do. Who wants to work with a nation like that??? One that promises a lot but never stay long enough to give a 1/4 of what was promised? 
 
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Keko Jones said:
That's the problem ... If the administration would of have stayed put and followed up with the strategy set in place, things could of have been different. Those out of work high ranking officials were waiting for the American administration to put them to work. Obviously for all those years work was not offered but the fact that America was still there made them hesitant to join ISIS. Once America did what everyone over there thought they would do .. LEAVE .. they made ISIS what it is now. A lot of those cats had followers .. SMH

Another reason why is so hard to break thought out there ... we go **** **** up say we going to do and we never do. Who wants to work with a nation like that??? One that promises a lot but never stay long enough to give a 1/4 of what was promised? 
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So much BS here
 
The genensis of what we now call ISIS goes all the way back to the Daddy Bush regime in the Gulf War. There's always been anti-Western sentiment in that part of the world stemming chiefly from America's mainly the right wing trying to play world police and spreading democracy to people who don't want it as well as carving out Israel and alienating people from their own lands.

The majority of these arms and training these extermists were given by our own military in the initial pursiut of Saddam. Obviously the tactics and thought processes have been passed down to the next generation and that's why you have what we have today. Baby Bush going back in the region under false pretenses only escalated the unrest and feelings in region. We didn't need to be there in the first place and twice gave them the tools and training to carry out these acts. Subsequent pursuits of Bin Laden and other Al-Queda leaders that resulted in innocent citizens being killed on escaltes the unrest. Some of these buffoons spewing their Anti-Muslim rhetoric only reaffirms and helps ISIS recruiting.

You can criticize Obama for a lot of things but getting our men and women in the military out of an unjust conflict that has been raging for centuries that's going to continue whether or not when we're there is not one of them. We've only added to the chaos and have given them a reason and means to recruit when it's clear the only reason we really care is because of the rich resources in the region. It's why atrocities are getting committed in Kenya and other 3rd world places and we don't bat an eye, cause investing in those people doesn't yield political or resourceful gains.
 
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^^^100% on point. We lost over 5000k men and women to that nonsense war to protect us from "terrorism" . And something like half a million iraqis and afghans. you think they were all bad guys?
Hate to say it democracy can't implemented by us everywhere we want it to. that area has been a hotbed of hate for many years.mainly because of how the states were created. you can't please everyone but dictators kept things in line. saddam should still be in power.


And now people want to send more troops back there? Russia's plane was taken down and France just had over 300 people randomly shot. And they are not rushing to that yet. If troops hit the ground USA needs to make it be a true alliance effort. I don't think even 500 allied troops were killed in Iraq. We had 95% of the troops fighting in those wars.
 
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I like how people tend to forget that US Presidents have negotiated with terrorists before. Reagan negotiated with terrorists and Iran at the same time :lol:
 
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Mamba MVP said:
The genensis of what we now call ISIS goes all the way back to the Daddy Bush regime in the Gulf War. There's always been anti-Western sentiment in that part of the world stemming chiefly from America's mainly the right wing trying to play world police and spreading democracy to people who don't want it as well as carving out Israel and alienating people from their own lands.

The majority of these arms and training these extermists were given by our own military in the initial pursiut of Saddam. Obviously the tactics and thought processes have been passed down to the next generation and that's why you have what we have today. Baby Bush going back in the region under false pretenses only escalated the unrest and feelings in region. We didn't need to be there in the first place and twice gave them the tools and training to carry out these acts. Subsequent pursuits of Bin Laden and other Al-Queda leaders that resulted in innocent citizens being killed on escaltes the unrest. Some of these buffoons spewing their Anti-Muslim rhetoric only reaffirms and helps ISIS recruiting.

You can criticize Obama for a lot of things but getting our men and women in the military out of an unjust conflict that has been raging for centuries that's going to continue whether or not when we're there is not one of them. We've only added to the chaos and have given them a reason and means to recruit when it's clear the only reason we really care is because of the rich resources in the region. It's why atrocities are getting committed in Kenya and other 3rd world places and we don't bat an eye, cause investing in those people doesn't yield political or resourceful gains.
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This is the only post worth reading here.......
 
Yea good post Mamba,repped

A lot of the interest in America being the policeman in that region stems from he strong Evangelical base of the right. They look at that region through a biblical lense and it guides them in their decision making/positions on the region unfortunately.

Also,China seems have taken advantage of the Wests lack of interest in Africa to get a head start when it comes to investing and developing the continent. They see potential gain in investing in some of the fastest developing markets.
 
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Mamba MVP said:
The genensis of what we now call ISIS goes all the way back to the Daddy Bush regime in the Gulf War. There's always been anti-Western sentiment in that part of the world stemming chiefly from America's mainly the right wing trying to play world police and spreading democracy to people who don't want it as well as carving out Israel and alienating people from their own lands.

The majority of these arms and training these extermists were given by our own military in the initial pursiut of Saddam. Obviously the tactics and thought processes have been passed down to the next generation and that's why you have what we have today. Baby Bush going back in the region under false pretenses only escalated the unrest and feelings in region. We didn't need to be there in the first place and twice gave them the tools and training to carry out these acts. Subsequent pursuits of Bin Laden and other Al-Queda leaders that resulted in innocent citizens being killed on escaltes the unrest. Some of these buffoons spewing their Anti-Muslim rhetoric only reaffirms and helps ISIS recruiting.

You can criticize Obama for a lot of things but getting our men and women in the military out of an unjust conflict that has been raging for centuries that's going to continue whether or not when we're there is not one of them. We've only added to the chaos and have given them a reason and means to recruit when it's clear the only reason we really care is because of the rich resources in the region. It's why atrocities are getting committed in Kenya and other 3rd world places and we don't bat an eye, cause investing in those people doesn't yield political or resourceful gains.
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 I criticizes anyone that after years of war and countless soldiers died - they died for nothing!

Bottom line is, regardless of the reason why we where there or not, if we weren't going to follow thru, we never should of have been there.

Furthermore, don't come blaming Bush Sr. this **** goes back to the Cold War days man. Back when it was the US vs Soviet Union.

No one is disputing that ... 
 
Air273 said:
And now people want to send more troops back there? Russia's plane was taken down and France just had over 300 people randomly shot. And they are not rushing to that yet. If troops hit the ground USA needs to make it be a true alliance effort. I don't think even 500 allied troops were killed in Iraq. We had 95% of the troops fighting in those wars.
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I'm with you on this ... we shouldn't be the worlds 911 ... UN needs to put in equal share when it comes to joint operations.

However, once again, if we put troops on the ground it needs to be a long term deal/planning.

We can't go do something and get the **** out of dodge .... that's the illogical and stupidest decision. 

Putting a band aid on a bleeding artery is not going to work.

Again, we can all praise Mamba's post for targeting the human emotion and outrage, but that's exactly what we can't do. Get emotional about WAR!
 
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Dalai Lama broke it all the way down:

We cannot solve this problem only through prayers,” he said, possibly referencing worldwide calls to #PrayForParis. “I am a Buddhist and I believe in praying. But humans have created this problem, and now we are asking God to solve it. It is illogical. God would say, solve it yourself because you created it in the first place.”

http://theantimedia.org/the-dalai-lama-just-told-the-world-to-stop-praying-for-paris/
 
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The U.S. has offered a $5m reward for information leading to the location or identification of Islamic State leader Abu-Muhammad al-Shimali

-SkyNewsBreak
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