Simultaneous terrorist attacks around Paris...Vol. Here we go again.Update 07/14/16 p42: Nice terror

What is the cause of religious extremism?

Religion + suppression imo
It's a byproduct.

- The radicals have issues with Foreign Armies and intervention in their countries. 

- It's easy to categorize the US as the Majority Foreign Presence

- This is what Osama Bin-Laden had issues with. He didn't want non-Saudi Armies in Saudi Arabia

- Using their own interpretation of a religion, they feed into the hate that a few people have. 

- Convincing  others to act on their hate and be rewarded via their interoperation of their religion, we have these radicals 

Overall, like what Ron Paul said, this is just blowback from foreign intervention. 
 
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I honestly think ISIS just uses religion as a method of indoctrinating members to join their cause, I don't think the higher positions in the organization are really just a bunch of religious nutcases.

Their twisted interpretation of the Islam is just so far detached from what the Islam actually is I doubt the people pulling the strings are all that delusional.

Religion, in this case Islam, is just an easy way to indoctrinate gullible people to join their cause.

ISIS has proven to be very intelligent and capable of careful planning, I just don't see that happening if the top positions were truly a bunch of religious nutcases.
 
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I honestly think ISIS just uses religion as a method of indoctrinating members to join their cause, I don't think the higher positions in the organization are really just a bunch of religious nutcases.
Their twisted interpretation of the Islam is just so far detached from what the Islam actually is I doubt the people pulling the strings are all that delusional.
Religion, in this case Islam, is just an easy way to indoctrinate gullible people to join their cause.
ISIS has proven to be very intelligent and capable of careful planning, I just don't see that happening if the top positions were truly a bunch of religious nutcases.

qft
 
For the record I don't see any difference in their interpretation of Islam and more peaceful ones. Islam like other Judeo-Christian scriptures are fraught with contradictions. Islam does support violence, misogyny, homophobia etc but it is a religion of peace. Either side is as valid in their interpretation.
The islam used to be a very progressive religion in its early stages, at least that's what I've been taught in history class.
Somewhere down the line things changed but overall the average muslim isn't much different than a christian or jew.
Things like the sharia law are considered radical beliefs, not something the average muslim supports.
Muslims in civilized and wealthy countries are entirely different from muslims in third world countries. The laws and beliefs in some of those countries such as death penalty for homosexuals are considered very radical.
In high school I studied human/cultural sciences and we often worked with refugees from the local refugee center. I've met many muslims and not one agreed with the radical practice of Islam in third world countries.
That was actually one of the main reasons they stated for leaving their country.
 
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I mean what exactly makes those laws "radical"? Those laws are in the Koran, theres nothing radical about them. In the Koran many things including homosexuality are punishable by death. The way they follow Islamic law is just as valid as the peaceful muslims. Islam teaches charity and all that good stuff but it also teaches destroying your enemies and the infidels who do not submit. I laugh whenever Muslims try to distance themselves from those beliefs by picking and choosing, they are technically being half way muslims.
The Old Testament has more violent stuff in it than the Quran, I can assure you that. In the end, it's how you interpret what is written. If someone chooses to interpret what is written in these ancient books literally, then they're pretty much a lost cause because they're immune to reason.

Oddly enough, they don't choose to interpret what is written about suicide in the Quran literally, that is that suicide is categorically forbidden. Yet because suicide attacks are such a convenient way for them to spread terror, they ignore this. The suicide is example is one of several that proves that the ideological aspect overshadows the theological one in these people's overall agenda.
 
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Old testiment is the foundation of all lf the Abrahamic religions. The Torah,Bible, and Quran literally tell the same stories for the most part lol.
 
 
I honestly think ISIS just uses religion as a method of indoctrinating members to join their cause, I don't think the higher positions in the organization are really just a bunch of religious nutcases.

Their twisted interpretation of the Islam is just so far detached from what the Islam actually is I doubt the people pulling the strings are all that delusional.

Religion, in this case Islam, is just an easy way to indoctrinate gullible people to join their cause.

ISIS has proven to be very intelligent and capable of careful planning, I just don't see that happening if the top positions were truly a bunch of religious nutcases.
exactly, people need to understand that religion itself is not good or bad, it is simply a tool those in power use to get common folk to blindly follow them.

that is really all any religion is and it's been that way for all of human history.

there is no "what islam actually is", their interpretation is just as valid as your muslim friend down the street. both sides can quote multiple passages that support their views, just like how every branch of christianity thinks that they are doing it the right way.
 
Religion is the greatest tool of manipulation and control, neither love nor fear has as great a power as religion, only ignorance is second to religion. Like someone mentioned before, all of these religious books have the same stories, the names and locations may change, but the story is almost always the same and in each one, the readers are designated as the chosen group and all other infidels.

People are throwing around the word "interpretation", theres nothing to interprete. People just take what aligns with their agenda and run with. Alot of what is written in the bible and koran is blatant.

True that.

And stop makin posts and havin me agree w/ u bro :lol:
 
So Anonymous just "declared war" on Daesh...they say they're about to undergo their largest ever operation which will include "massive" cyber attacks. Hey anything that helps I guess...
 
Give it up Lionblood haha,

1.57 billion Muslims on the planet. Dont judge us all on the actions of the few. I love how you always bring up the Quran yet have no understanding of it.
Keep spewing your hate.

May the innocent on BOTH sides rest in peace.
 
World | Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:55am EST Related: WORLD, FRANCE, SYRIA
France police raid homes, vow it's 'just the beginning'
PARIS | BY CHINE LABBÉ AND CRISPIAN BALMER

Police raided homes of suspected Islamist militants across France overnight arresting 23 people, and investigators identified a Belgian national living in Syria as the possible mastermind behind Friday's attacks in Paris.

Much of France came to a standstill at midday for a minute's silence to remember the 129 killed in the co-ordinated suicide bombings and shootings. Metro trains stopped, pedestrians paused on pavements and office workers stood at their desks.

Prosecutors have identified five of the seven dead assailants -- four Frenchmen and a foreigner fingerprinted in Greece last month. His role in the carnage has fueled speculation that Islamic State took advantage of a recent wave of refugees fleeing Syria to slip militants into Europe.

Police believe one attacker is on the run, and are working on the assumption that at least four people helped organize the mayhem, the worst atrocity in France since World War Two, which appears to have been organized in neighboring Belgium.


Belgian police arrested at least one person after a four-hour siege on Monday at a house in the Brussels district of Molenbeek, home to many Muslim immigrants, but failed to find a man believed to have played a key role in the assault.

"We know that more attacks are being prepared, not just against France but also against other European countries," French Prime Minister Manuel Valls told RTL radio. "We are going to live with this terrorist threat for a long time."

Islamic State, which claimed responsibility for the attacks in retaliation for French airstrikes in Iraq and Syria, warned in a video on Monday that any country hitting it would suffer the same fate, promising specifically to target Washington.

French warplanes bombed Islamic State training camps and a suspected arms depot in its Syrian stronghold Raqqa late on Sunday -- its biggest such strike since it started assaults as part of a U.S.-led mission launched in 2014.

Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve told reporters police had arrested nearly two dozen people and seized arms, including a rocket launcher and automatic weapons, in 168 raids overnight. Another 104 people were put under house arrest, he said.

"Let this be clear to everyone, this is just the beginning, these actions are going to continue," Cazeneuve said
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Are you slow? i didnt judge all muslims for the actions of terrorists, all i said is the terrorists and good muslims are equally validated by the koran. Ive read the koran it isnt quantum physics.

:rofl:
 
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I worded that wrong.

People care more or at least show that they care more because they could see themselves or family/friends being there during the attacks.

I don't disagree with your comment. mr marcus mr marcus

Idk...folks love vacationing in Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic ...doubt white Americans would be rocking their flags as their avy if Isis hit them. Personally don't wanna find out if it's true. So I'll leave it at that

I mean some of what you said is obviously true but it ain't the only reason. White death = white sympathy

But I am annoyed by black folks sharing those Kenyan bombing stories like it just happened as a reason to talk down on the Paris attacks :lol: :smh: they're just as ignorant as folks on the other side

These Facebook black woke people rustles me. Sharing the stupidest ****
 
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The sole reason paris gets more attention isn't just that it comcerns white people. A russian plane just got bombed and killed more peoole and it didn't get the same attention. It's one of the most beloved tourist destinations in the world.

See people on twitter complaining that people care more about paris than whats's gpong on at Mizzou. It's always gonna be a pissing contest when it comes to people's preferred issues.
 
So Jeb and the GOP seem to be pushing for more boots on the ground in Syria and Iraq...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/16/us-usa-election-idUSKCN0T51Z820151116#qswtiphVkmmrTDK0.97
 
Jeb Bush and other Republican presidential candidates on Monday said more U.S. troops were needed to counter Islamic State militants in Syria and Iraq but stopped short of calling for the deployment of significant numbers of combat personnel.

Speaking on several television programs, Bush said American soldiers were needed to provide leadership in the area and outlined other U.S. steps he said were needed to combat the militant group following attacks in Paris on Friday that killed 129 people.

"It would require more boots on the ground, as you will, more troops on the ground, more special operators ... More involvement, for sure, but in a leadership role," he said on CBS's "This Morning" program.

He said more U.S. troops should be embedded in the Iraqi army, provide more training for peshmerga forces and work more with the Sunni tribal leaders.

"We can't do this alone ... but we can lead," Bush said.

Democratic President Barack Obama said on Monday in Turkey it would be a mistake for the United States to switch its strategy and put U.S. troops on the ground to fight Islamic State.

Bush said he would not speculate about whether he would follow any possible recommendation from U.S. military advisers for large deployments of regular ground combat forces.

Billionaire businessman Donald Trump, another candidate for the Republican nomination in the November 2016 election, told MSNBC he backed some U.S. troops in the region but would instead focus on targeting Islamic State's oil and banking operations.

Asked if he would seek support from Americans for large deployments, Trump told the network's "Morning Joe" program: "No, I'm not. I'd put some there but I'm not." He later said he would back sending 10,000 troops to the region but did not give details about their role.

U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham, another Republican candidate, called on President Barack Obama to coordinate military efforts with the French and allies in the Middle East to combat the militants following the Paris attacks.

Graham, appearing on MSNBC, proposed coordinating the armies of United States, France and "any NATO nation that would like to help" to form a ground force that would supplement the allied air campaign against Islamic State.

"If we just drop a few bombs on these guys and that's it, they'll be stronger than ever," Graham said.

The attacks in Paris also have sparked debate among Republicans over the refugee crisis as thousands of people flee Syria, which has been engaged in nearly five years of civil war even as Islamic State has also taken hold there.

Trump said, if elected, he would consider shutting down Islamic mosques in the United States in an effort to combat Islamic State.

"I would hate it do it but it's something that you're going to have to strongly consider because some of the ideas and some of the hatred, the absolute hatred, is coming from these areas," he said.

Republicans have hammered Obama over his plan to bring in as many as 10,000 Syrian refugees.

On Monday, Bush said there should be some restrictions as well as special protections for Christians.

"There should be really thorough screening, and we should focus on creating safe havens for refugees in Syria rather than bringing them all the way across to the United States," he told MSNBC.

Trump, on CNBC, said: "We have no idea who these people are... We can not let them come into this country, period."
 
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Yea Missouri folks complaining are annoying too. Like you got the president canned so focus on fixing **** locally

Not a national story anymore
 
Give it up Lionblood haha,

1.57 billion Muslims on the planet. Dont judge us all on the actions of the few. I love how you always bring up the Quran yet have no understanding of it.
Keep spewing your hate.

May the innocent on BOTH sides rest in peace.

Are you slow? i didnt judge all muslims for the actions of terrorists, all i said is the terrorists and good muslims are equally validated by the koran. Ive read the koran it isnt quantum physics.

it's actually Qur'an not Koran. since you dont know how to spell or pronounce the name of the book, im assuming you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
The sole reason paris gets more attention isn't just that it comcerns white people. A russian plane just got bombed and killed more peoole and it didn't get the same attention. It's one of the most beloved tourist destinations in the world.

See people on twitter complaining that people care more about paris than whats's gpong on at Mizzou. It's always gonna be a pissing contest when it comes to people's preferred issues.
Everyone is going to have something to complain.

No one will every be satisfied.

Also, finally a got a hold of my friend who is in Paris. He said he was 10 minutes away from attack near the concert hall
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 He had to stay in a restuarant, then at a bar, and finally someone offered him a couch to sleep on till the morning.
 
I mean what exactly makes those laws "radical"? Those laws are in the Koran, theres nothing radical about them. In the Koran many things including homosexuality are punishable by death. The way they follow Islamic law is just as valid as the peaceful muslims. Islam teaches charity and all that good stuff but it also teaches destroying your enemies and the infidels who do not submit. I laugh whenever Muslims try to distance themselves from those beliefs by picking and choosing, they are technically being half way muslims.

But yes islamic societies were once thriving, liberal, and valued scientific discovery and progress. And some still are today eg. The UAE. Those countries have a responsibility to thwarting violent and inhumane expressions of their religion and some do eg jordan.
What makes those laws and beliefs radical is that such things are no longer deemed acceptable in our modern civilization.

Blindly following the exact words of the Qur'an or Bible is generally not acceptable anymore because it promotes violence, discrimination, bigotry, ...

Religions evolve over time, Christians distancing themselves from certain beliefs like homosexuality being a sin is more and more common. The priest in my town is actually a homosexual.

Things like death penalty for homosexuals or the Sharia law have become radical beliefs in today's society because those aren't humane principles.
 
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So Jeb and the GOP seem to be pushing for more boots on the ground in Syria and Iraq...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/16/us-usa-election-idUSKCN0T51Z820151116#qswtiphVkmmrTDK0.97

 

Jeb Bush and other Republican presidential candidates on Monday said more U.S. troops were needed to counter Islamic State militants in Syria and Iraq but stopped short of calling for the deployment of significant numbers of combat personnel.



Speaking on several television programs, Bush said American soldiers were needed to provide leadership in the area and outlined other U.S. steps he said were needed to combat the militant group following attacks in Paris on Friday that killed 129 people.



"It would require more boots on the ground, as you will, more troops on the ground, more special operators ... More involvement, for sure, but in a leadership role," he said on CBS's "This Morning" program.



He said more U.S. troops should be embedded in the Iraqi army, provide more training for peshmerga forces and work more with the Sunni tribal leaders.



"We can't do this alone ... but we can lead," Bush said.



Democratic President Barack Obama said on Monday in Turkey it would be a mistake for the United States to switch its strategy and put U.S. troops on the ground to fight Islamic State.



Bush said he would not speculate about whether he would follow any possible recommendation from U.S. military advisers for large deployments of regular ground combat forces.



Billionaire businessman Donald Trump, another candidate for the Republican nomination in the November 2016 election, told MSNBC he backed some U.S. troops in the region but would instead focus on targeting Islamic State's oil and banking operations.



Asked if he would seek support from Americans for large deployments, Trump told the network's "Morning Joe" program: "No, I'm not. I'd put some there but I'm not." He later said he would back sending 10,000 troops to the region but did not give details about their role.



U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham, another Republican candidate, called on President Barack Obama to coordinate military efforts with the French and allies in the Middle East to combat the militants following the Paris attacks.



Graham, appearing on MSNBC, proposed coordinating the armies of United States, France and "any NATO nation that would like to help" to form a ground force that would supplement the allied air campaign against Islamic State.



"If we just drop a few bombs on these guys and that's it, they'll be stronger than ever," Graham said.



The attacks in Paris also have sparked debate among Republicans over the refugee crisis as thousands of people flee Syria, which has been engaged in nearly five years of civil war even as Islamic State has also taken hold there.



Trump said, if elected, he would consider shutting down Islamic mosques in the United States in an effort to combat Islamic State.



"I would hate it do it but it's something that you're going to have to strongly consider because some of the ideas and some of the hatred, the absolute hatred, is coming from these areas," he said.



Republicans have hammered Obama over his plan to bring in as many as 10,000 Syrian refugees.



On Monday, Bush said there should be some restrictions as well as special protections for Christians.



"There should be really thorough screening, and we should focus on creating safe havens for refugees in Syria rather than bringing them all the way across to the United States," he told MSNBC.



Trump, on CNBC, said: "We have no idea who these people are... We can not let them come into this country, period."

Bams has said no ground troops

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...0709313&PID=6149513&SID=ih2besu5y600ag8y00dth
 
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