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LuckyLuchiano said:
How is being pro hatian deportion not going against the beliefs of a group?

Me saying gays shouldnt be married is being against someone. I have never said that.

You on the other hand have said you are an advocate of a group of people being removed from "your" land.

How is that any different than a christian saying gays cant be married because marriage is a concept created in "their" religion?
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I never said I was ok with people being removed from ANYWHERE.

I said I'm NOT OK WITH HAITIANS MIGRATING BY THE THOUSANDS INTO DOMINCAN SOIL.

Meaning I'm ok with a stricter border control.

Keep dodging bro.

Once again, marriage has two sides to it, a legal and a religious side....the LGBT was fighting for a civil right of marriage, they are not getting married in a Catholic Church, but would want to be recognized as married by the state....you have a problem with that?...you don't agree with it?...WHY?....bro answer the question!
 
LuckyLuchiano said:
WHO CLAIMED HOMOSEXUALS DO NOT HAVE ISSUES!?!?! christ

EVERYONE is saying that many groups have issues but do not have a pissing contest comparing different issues, simply recognize that these people face obstacles and keep it moving. The chinese faced oppression from the japanese, why are you not comparing them? Innocent japanese faced oppression from the US why are you not comparing them?
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Ehh because of the OP?...lmao :lol:

You gonna answer the question or nah?
 
ksteezy said:
I never said I was ok with people being removed from ANYWHERE.

I said I'm NOT OK WITH HAITIANS MIGRATING BY THE THOUSANDS INTO DOMINCAN SOIL.

Meaning I'm ok with a stricter border control.

Keep dodging bro.

Once again, marriage has two sides to it, a legal and a religious side....the LGBT was fighting for a civil right of marriage, they are not getting married in a Catholic Church, but would want to be recognized as married by the state....you have a problem with that?...you don't agree with it?...WHY?....bro answer the question!
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Im not advocating for gays to not have access to marriage so why are you talking to me about it? im not advocating for any action to happen to homosexuals that is against their will. You are the other hand are for deportation, if deportation was an at will act it would not be called deportation.
 
YvesSentYoRent said:
rachel dolezal deserves better!!!!
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Separate issue of someone masquerading as black woman pretty much in blackface. You can't choose your race like you can't choose your sexual orientation or identity.

LuckyLuchiano said:
WHO CLAIMED HOMOSEXUALS DO NOT HAVE ISSUES!?!?! christ

EVERYONE is saying that many groups have issues but do not have a pissing contest comparing different issues, simply recognize that these people face obstacles and keep it moving. The chinese faced oppression from the japanese, why are you not comparing them? Innocent japanese faced oppression from the US why are you not comparing them?
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You just said this: Racism advocates for the oppression of a group, who is advocating for homosexuals to be oppressed? Who is advocating for them to be denied access to what they want?

I point to an example of oppression.

What is the disconnect here?
 
ksteezy said:
Don't answer me with a question.

Is simple, WHAT DO YOU DISAGREE WITH?
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I dont agree with the concept, do you know what the concept of it is? To be against it would be me saying "so and so" should not be able to do something. Never once have I said that.
 
illmatic34 said:
Separate issue of someone masquerading as black woman pretty much in blackface. You can't choose your race like you can't choose your sexual orientation or identity.
You just said this: Racism advocates for the oppression of a group, who is advocating for homosexuals to be oppressed? Who is advocating for them to be denied access to what they want?

I point to an example of oppression.

What is the disconnect here?
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I dont see a quote of me saying homosexuals should have not have access to something.

You continue to display your stupidity.
 
I say this way too often, but NT could make a 40 page debate out of the most mundane and unimportant topics.
 
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PLVN said:
If you're hinging your argument on the idea that people choose to be gay or that gay people can just hide their sexuality, you're minimizing the act of discrimination and you might be a bigot
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luckyluchiano luckyluchiano


illmatic34 said:
luckyluchiano luckyluchiano

You said this:
So...by nature, gays are predisposed to like gays. Just as heterosexuals like the opposite sex. YOU were never taught to like women, you just were attracted to them. Same for me, or any heterosexual male in this thread. You claim it is a lifestyle, ask a gay person if they chose to be gay. It shows how ignorant you are to assume what they're living is a lifestyle choice. As if anyone would want to pick a lifestyle of self-loathing and oppression if they had the choice. Therefore disagreeing with this, disagreeing with something that people are wired with, people are born with....makes you bigoted. Whether or not you wanna follow that up with "but I'm not infringing on their rights". Cause guess what, you can still be bigoted without doing so or making it obvious you are.


How does it not register that "I have Black/Asian/Mexican friends but I'm not racist" is the exact same as "I have gay friends so I disapprove of their lifestyle but I'm not homophobic"? Or does that somehow not apply to sexual orientation?
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luckyluchiano luckyluchiano pls repsond
 
LuckyLuchiano said:
WHO CLAIMED HOMOSEXUALS DO NOT HAVE ISSUES!?!?! christ

EVERYONE is saying that many groups have issues but do not have a pissing contest comparing different issues, simply recognize that these people face obstacles and keep it moving. The chinese faced oppression from the japanese, why are you not comparing them? Innocent japanese faced oppression from the US why are you not comparing them?
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YOU are now the main person who insists on comparing the struggles

But instead of using it to draw parallels, you use it as a way to diminish the discrimination that LGBT people experience

"The only thing they couldn't do is be married...they don't have it that bad"
 
LuckyLuchiano said:
I dont agree with the concept, do you know what the concept of it is? To be against it would be me saying "so and so" should not be able to do something. Never once have I said that.
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What concept according to you?

Why are you so afraid to freely speak on it?

WHAT CONCEPT DONT YOU AGREE WITH?

Stop begging the mods for a lock up, before you can answer your question which I can guarantee will be bigoted.
 
PLVN said:
YOU are now the main person who insists on comparing the struggles

But instead of using it to draw parallels, you use it as a way to diminish the discrimination that LGBT people experience

"The only thing they couldn't do is be married...they don't have it that bad"
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THANK YOU!

Some NTers still rocking with some common sense :pimp:
 
LuckyLuchiano said:
I dont agree with the concept, do you know what the concept of it is? To be against it would be me saying "so and so" should not be able to do something. Never once have I said that.
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Why do you disagree with it?
How do you think a gay person feels if you tell him you disagree with homosexuality?
What if one of your close friends comes out the closet? A close friend would probably know your stance on homosexuality so what would you say to him?
If you had a son who turns out to be gay how do you explain to him that you disagree with a major part of his personality (not a negative trait) but still love and support him?
 
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HarlemToTheBronx said:
One thing I'll never understand is why anyone would think it's their place to agree or disagree with anyone else's sexual orientation.
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Its also nobodies place to probe someone for answers they are not ready for though. If me and someone are on good terms why are we discussing sexual orientation? If a dude talks about his love for his boyfriend, im like good for him but Im not going to sit there and go on and on anout it. If dude his happy with his life that is all that matters.

The issue of this thread were the initial comparison between two stuggles. Comparisons should not be made as there are gays who face racism from each other so struggles are not the same although different. As a black man who faces discrimination the parallel of saying "damn thats messed up and wrong" when hearing about violence against gays is valid and something i have mentioned i felt.l, but recognizing universal wrongs does not = saying yea I rock with same sex people being sleeping together. I dont agree with it as Im not down with the concept this i do mot agree with it. People are fishing for someone to say they hate something when nobody is doing that. The issue at hand is when it comes to homosexuality people dont have the right according to these people to say of they are personally cool with it, yet there are numerous pages advocating for people to not be allowed to practice something such as faith in whatever they want.

The argument is if someone is not taking action to ensure another group does mot achieve what they believe in, then how dan someone be villanized for theor views? Why is it ok for People to call people who have faith in "god" idiots and advocate they need to become atheist? Why is it ok to say Hatians must be deported from "your" land when you land was stolen in the first place?
 
PLVN said:
The biggest lesson I've taken away from this thread is that my little yellow indicator for new posts in the bottom right corner no longer works
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yeah what the hell?

why did they take that away?

that link is crucial for the NBA thread
 
LuckyLuchiano said:
Its also nobodies place to probe someone for answers they are not ready for though. If me and someone are on good terms why are we discussing sexual orientation? If a dude talks about his love for his boyfriend, im like good for him but Im not going to sit there and go on and on anout it. If dude his happy with his life that is all that matters.

The issue of this thread were the initial comparison between two stuggles. Comparisons should not be made as there are gays who face racism from each other so struggles are not the same although different. As a black man who faces discrimination the parallel of saying "damn thats messed up and wrong" when hearing about violence against gays is valid and something i have mentioned i felt.l, but recognizing universal wrongs does not = saying yea I rock with same sex people being sleeping together. I dont agree with it as Im not down with the concept this i do mot agree with it. People are fishing for someone to say they hate something when nobody is doing that. The issue at hand is when it comes to homosexuality people dont have the right according to these people to say of they are personally cool with it, yet there are numerous pages advocating for people to not be allowed to practice something such as faith in whatever they want.

The argument is if someone is not taking action to ensure another group does mot achieve what they believe in, then how dan someone be villanized for theor views? Why is it ok for People to call people who have faith in "god" idiots and advocate they need to become atheist? Why is it ok to say Hatians must be deported from "your" land when you land was stolen in the first place?
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Well said...

I don't see how it's so hard to separate the two..
 
Bro all that text and you still can't answer WHY you disagree...do you think maybe because your answer might come off as bigoted? Ignorant perhaps?

I mean is pretty simple, nobody fishing for anything, you've spent 20 pages saying you disagree but can't say WHY?

Either answer it, or drop it.


And there is nothing wrong with drawing parallels between comparable struggles....once again, COMPARING =/= EQUATING
 
LuckyLuchiano said:
Its also nobodies place to probe someone for answers they are not ready for though. If me and someone are on good terms why are we discussing sexual orientation? If a dude talks about his love for his boyfriend, im like good for him but Im not going to sit there and go on and on anout it. If dude his happy with his life that is all that matters.

The issue of this thread were the initial comparison between two stuggles. Comparisons should not be made as there are gays who face racism from each other so struggles are not the same although different. As a black man who faces discrimination the parallel of saying "damn thats messed up and wrong" when hearing about violence against gays is valid and something i have mentioned i felt.l, but recognizing universal wrongs does not = saying yea I rock with same sex people being sleeping together. I dont agree with it as Im not down with the concept this i do mot agree with it. People are fishing for someone to say they hate something when nobody is doing that. The issue at hand is when it comes to homosexuality people dont have the right according to these people to say of they are personally cool with it, yet there are numerous pages advocating for people to not be allowed to practice something such as faith in whatever they want.

The argument is if someone is not taking action to ensure another group does mot achieve what they believe in, then how dan someone be villanized for theor views? Why is it ok for People to call people who have faith in "god" idiots and advocate they need to become atheist? Why is it ok to say Hatians must be deported from "your" land when you land was stolen in the first place?
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You're the one who instigated the whole comparison argument.
As for the rest of your post, was it really that hard to answer that question? For the record I think you've clarified your stance well aside from the choice of the word disagree.
You could've answered this pages ago and we wouldn't be having this argument.
I just think to say you disagree with homosexuality isn't the proper wording.
I don't like enjoy dudes kiss either or talk in depth about having sex with men but it is what it is and I'm not gonna be bothered by it because at the end of the day it doesn't affect me. I just wouldn't say I disagree with homosexuality because that statement can easily be perceived as disapproval or hate.
If someone asks me about the subject I say I wouldn't personally partake in any of those activities but I fully support and approve them.
If I fully support and approve them I see no need to "disagree" with the concept of homosexuality.
You may or may not be a bigot but you can't deny that saying you disagree with homosexuality makes you sound like a bigot.
 
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