Boy stars in Barbie commercial

ts also nobodies place to probe someone for answers they are not ready for though. If me and someone are on good terms why are we discussing sexual orientation? If a dude talks about his love for his boyfriend, im like good for him but Im not going to sit there and go on and on anout it. If dude his happy with his life that is all that matters.

The issue of this thread were the initial comparison between two stuggles. Comparisons should not be made as there are gays who face racism from each other so struggles are not the same although different. As a black man who faces discrimination the parallel of saying "damn thats messed up and wrong" when hearing about violence against gays is valid and something i have mentioned i felt.l, but recognizing universal wrongs does not = saying yea I rock with same sex people being sleeping together. I dont agree with it as Im not down with the concept this i do mot agree with it. People are fishing for someone to say they hate something when nobody is doing that. The issue at hand is when it comes to homosexuality people dont have the right according to these people to say of they are personally cool with it, yet there are numerous pages advocating for people to not be allowed to practice something such as faith in whatever they want.

The argument is if someone is not taking action to ensure another group does mot achieve what they believe in, then how dan someone be villanized for theor views? Why is it ok for People to call people who have faith in "god" idiots and advocate they need to become atheist? Why is it ok to say Hatians must be deported from "your" land when you land was stolen in the first place?

This is a large part as to why gays stay in the closet. Even if you were sincere about supporting them, in the back of their mind they're thinking "This person is willing to accept everything about me accept my sexuality" so it comes off as disingenuous and disrespectful. You're still purporting that since being gay isn't "normal" you can't be fully accepted for your identity.
 
Never seen Anton post anything ignorant about religion. He usually comes with strong arguments and then the bible defenders clamp up and play the victims role after they can't explain why their beliefs are any better than Jack and the Beanstalk stories.

The issue at hand is people claim to be pro fre thought as long as it cosigns with their list of views. Anton is anti religion yet a satanist. You literally have people saying everyone needs to reject the concept of having faith in something yet everyone must accept the concept of homosexuality.

A muslim does not agree with christianity yet does not advocate for the end of christianity, they are to let that person life their life in peace and the christian should be the same way to the muslim.

Why are these people allowed to be the authority on who someone can have faith in ON TOP of say these people MUST accept the personal acts of homosexuals when the acts between someone and their partner is nobodys business?

Black people did not fight for whites to accept them, blacks fought for racists to quit targeting them and violently opressing them.

Japanese and Chinese may not like each other due to past but they owe it to each other to allow the other to live in peace.

So why is ok for Anton to not agree with one concept yet everyone must agree with his concept on things?

People are equating not agreeing with a concept to promoting hate which is idiotic and false.

A white man can dislike blacks but they do not have the right to prevent blacks from living a peaceful life. Same applies with homosexuals.
The difference is one group preaches intolerance. It has committed violence and other horrific acts based on those preachings, they've oppressed and wiped out entire cultures based off the group's religion. The other as a whole does not represent intolerance.

Also, again nobody is really asking you to agree with them as far as what they do in their beds or who they want to be with. It's either you agree the LBGT community should have the same rights you have or you don't. That's the important part. If you don't you probably are a bigot and that's what gets you called a hypocrite.

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And you said some WILD stuff by claiming a black/asian person can disassociate themselves with their race by simply removing themselves from that culture. AS IF, like Lucky said, if people were coming around killing races THOSE people would be spared. That was wild forreal man.
I think somebody already said the boy was acting as the director of the commercial or something (the guy who created Moschino?). The pic was posted the boy was made to look how the guy looks today.

So you could assumed hat guy played with Barbies when he was a kid.

Also they used kids cuz kids play with toys. I thought that was obvious :lol:
 
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This is the world yall want


Honestly, I don't care what other people do. People are allowed to make their own choices in life.

Cliché disclaimer over*

But can anyone explain to me how exposing a child to homosexuality at such an early age is beneficial?

I live in SF and I see kids at the Pride parade every year where alcohol induced people are dressed with little to nothing on, and I wonder how is that beneficial for kids?
Learning to treat others equally, with no prejudgment taught by their parents like they're some unknown species will be beneficial for the next generation.
 
Then I guess the inherent flawed reasoning of the question is floating around.


Acceptance =/= Want/Desire
It was a discussion. Both sides were arguing whether or not acceptance and desire are the same thing. I can see both sides of the argument

But it goes back to the question, should any man be called a bigot because he doesn't possess the desire for his son to go down that path. 

Any good father wouldn't want their child to deny themselves their true feelings. Bigoted or not, a good father would want their child to be happy.

The fathers who have issues with their son's homosexuality or their playing with a girl's toy do so because they think of it as an affront to their own masculinity. These are the people who, in error, think of gender as some rigid construct. Bad dads feel like failures and feel less masculine if their son is gay. Inversely, you are actually a failure as a parent if your child feels like they can't seek happiness, and be who they truly are, because of you.

"Pa said there must be a mistake
how can my son not be straight
after all I've said and done for him
"

- "The Killing of Georgie (Part 1 and 2)" by Rod Stewart


It's the same idiots who cry about the "emasculation of society" and have their own antiquated ideas of what being a man is. Their own insecurities are part of the problem. The problem isn't the clouding binary, it's misogyny and bigotry. The binary is bull ****. You rarely hear mothers complain about their daughters being "tomboys." Why? Why isn't a young girl adopting historically masculine qualities met with such fervor? Why don't fathers see that as a sign of their failure? Because being "manly" is commendable and being womanly is an insult to their masculinity.

Hopefully, evolution will leave these people behind.

I have a 3-year old boy and a 1-year old girl. They play with each other's toys all the time. Do I care? Of course not. Why don't I care? Because I'm a good dad.

The only way I will feel like a failure is if my child feels like they are being kept from true happiness because of me.
 
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^ I agree with the, "I wouldn't want a gay son because it makes me look less of a man" ideology. You are right about that Lobotimo. 

Am I right @FlyNY  ?
 
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Any good father wouldn't want their child to deny themselves their true feelings. Bigoted or not, a good father would want their child to be happy.

The fathers who have issues with their son's homosexuality or their playing with a girl's toy do so because they think of it as an affront to their own masculinity. These are the people who, in error, think of gender as some rigid construct. Bad dads feel like failures and feel less masculine if their son is gay. Inversely, you are actually a failure as a parent if your child feels like they can't seek happiness, and be who they truly are, because of you.

"Pa said there must be a mistake
how can my son not be straight
after all I've said and done for him
"

- "The Killing of Georgie (Part 1 and 2)" by Rod Stewart


It's the same idiots who cry about the "emasculation of society" and have their own antiquated ideas of what being a man is. Their own insecurities are part of the problem. The problem isn't the clouding binary, it's misogyny and bigotry. The binary is bull ****. You rarely hear mothers complain about their daughters being "tomboys." Why? Why isn't a young girl adopting historically masculine qualities met with such fervor? Why don't fathers see that as a sign of their failure? Because being "manly" is commendable and being womanly is an insult to their masculinity.

Hopefully, evolution will leave these people behind.

I have a 3-year old boy and a 1-year old girl. They play with each other's toys all the time. Do I care? Of course not. Why don't I care? Because I'm a good dad.

The only way I will feel like a failure is if my child feels like they are being kept from true happiness because of me.
Agreed with this entire post 100%
 
If you think a Barbie doll can make your son gay, your sexuality sounds fragile as hell. It's that easy?
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 Here you go. You just got off of work or something man? Where were you earlier, you would have had more fun then
 
Any good father wouldn't want their child to deny themselves their true feelings. Bigoted or not, a good father would want their child to be happy.

The fathers who have issues with their son's homosexuality or their playing with a girl's toy do so because they think of it as an affront to their own masculinity. These are the people who, in error, think of gender as some rigid construct. Bad dads feel like failures and feel less masculine if their son is gay. Inversely, you are actually a failure as a parent if your child feels like they can't seek happiness, and be who they truly are, because of you.

"Pa said there must be a mistake
how can my son not be straight
after all I've said and done for him
"

- "The Killing of Georgie (Part 1 and 2)" by Rod Stewart


It's the same idiots who cry about the "emasculation of society" and have their own antiquated ideas of what being a man is. Their own insecurities are part of the problem. The problem isn't the clouding binary, it's misogyny and bigotry. The binary is bull ****. You rarely hear mothers complain about their daughters being "tomboys." Why? Why isn't a young girl adopting historically masculine qualities met with such fervor? Why don't fathers see that as a sign of their failure? Because being "manly" is commendable and being womanly is an insult to their masculinity.

Hopefully, evolution will leave these people behind.

I have a 3-year old boy and a 1-year old girl. They play with each other's toys all the time. Do I care? Of course not. Why don't I care? Because I'm a good dad.

The only way I will feel like a failure is if my child feels like they are being kept from true happiness because of me.

Bravo bro, BRAVO.


I'm assuming Meth had enough of Luckys bigotry and locked him out....sad, wish he could have read this post.
 
Man, all this arguing and I still haven't found out how homosexuality is being shown in this video...
 
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If you think a Barbie doll can make your son gay, your sexuality sounds fragile as hell. It's that easy?
:lol:  Here you go. You just got off of work or something man? Where were you earlier, you would have had more fun then
I was lurking, the bigot/hate debates aren't for me I like to stick to the "I don't want this promoted because I'm scared it'll make my son gay" nonsense :lol:
 
 
why does everyone assume a boy playing with barbies is gay? 
Because they were raised to believe that, and feel some type of way that the next generation won't be raised with the same ideals
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It doesnt bother me that the kid is playing with dolls, thats what kids do. It irks me that the kid who isnt old enough to even know if he likes boys or girls is portrayed as homosexual. I would compare it to those little Miss Texas beauty competitions where the parents dress their little girls in sexually provocative ways. Those little girls arent old enough to understand sexuality, yet their parents portray them in a weird sexual light.

I also dont see anything wrong with having young boys and girls understand the notion of certain things are for them, certain things are for the opposite gender. Like in elementary school when we were taught that boys and girls use separate restrooms, or that softball was a girls sport and baseball was for the dudes. I've seen the word masculinity tossed around in here like its a bad thing, but I dont see anything wrong with having masculine dudes, and feminine women.
 
the child actor is portraying Jeremy Scott...a gay man.

Since people are "born gay"...wouldn't the child actor be portraying a gay kid and not just because he's playing with a Barbie doll?
 
At what age did y'all choose to be attracted to women?

Someone who understands psychology understands that these things aren't as black and white to suggest a "choice" is being made when it comes to sexuality.

Scientists consider a **** ton of other variables when it comes to studying this topic. Who said that the only two possibilities are being born with a predisposed sexuality or choosing one?
 
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