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Colombia said:
What country do you live in? Just out of curiosity.
It's understandable that you developed the views you have on homosexuality in your situation. If you grow up in a country where it's illegal it's logical that you have those views.
While it doesn't really excuse the views imo it certainly makes it more understandable.
I think once you get older and are less influenced by your peers your views can further change if you're willing to open your mind more.
Honestly in your situation I'd be scared of having a gay son too because he would have to deal with a lot of struggle in a country where his very being is illegal.
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He's Muslim and he lives in Tucson, AZ.


I hear where he's coming from, coming from a similar background. Difference being I was born in the states.

But it's incredibly difficult to expect tolerance from someone coming from an intolerant culture.

I mean, I've had this convo with my mom before and I told her I have no problem with people being gay. I told her people are born that way same way people are born straight.

Now she's an educated woman, a former OBGYN. You figure she'd be receptive to an argument reinforced by scientific evidence.

But nah, straight ignorance. I get it though, she's coming from a different world.
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I was born in the 520 my dude, but spent my early years back and forth between here and the homeland. Somehow I am still here in the Dirty T lol

But I got a question for you bro, what makes this culture more tolerant or less ignorant than the culture of our backgrounds? Why are the views of our people backwards and ignorant and the views of Europeans/Americans progressive and tolerant? 
 
AZwildcats said:
I was born in the 520 my dude, but spent my early years back and forth between here and the homeland. Somehow I am still here in the Dirty T lol

But I got a question for you bro, what makes this culture more tolerant or less ignorant than the culture of our backgrounds? Why are the views of our people backwards and ignorant and the views of Europeans/Americans progressive and tolerant? 
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I wouldn't say this culture is more tolerant. There is a lot of intolerance in America.

I will say however that our parents' culture is overtly intolerant and it stems from an intolerant theology.


Islam does not permit homosexuality, there is no grey area.

In America, there is a segment of the population that is tolerant. It just is, I mean I wish I could say that Pakistanis or Arabs are as progressive but they're not.
 
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All I gotta say is wow. Just because we're posting our beliefs doesn't mean it's our way or the highway. This is a forum. And naturally we're going to share our opinions. Many will disagree with my personal BELIEFS. Does that mean I think they are wrong? NO. Because an opinion is, just that. An OPINION.

Beliefs do not equal facts!
 
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Lemme take notes of those using the "tolerate my intolerance" arguments, to see if they ever complain about "PC culture" in the future

Because it would be really ironic if the dudes that complain about folk being overly sensitive, are the ones also demanding NT be a "safe space" for their bigoted/ignorant views :lol:
 
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RustyShackleford said:
Lemme take notes of those using the "tolerate my intolerance" arguments, to see if they ever complain about "PC culture" in the future

Because it would be really ironic if the dudes that complain about folk being overly sensitive, are the ones also demanding NT be a "safe space" for their bigoted/ignorant views :lol:
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I swear earlier I was gonna post a pic of PC principle :lol: :smh:
 
SneakerHeathen said:
 
AZwildcats said:
I was born in the 520 my dude, but spent my early years back and forth between here and the homeland. Somehow I am still here in the Dirty T lol

But I got a question for you bro, what makes this culture more tolerant or less ignorant than the culture of our backgrounds? Why are the views of our people backwards and ignorant and the views of Europeans/Americans progressive and tolerant? 
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I wouldn't say this culture is more tolerant. There is a lot of intolerance in America.

I will say however that our parents' culture is overtly intolerant and it stems from an intolerant theology.


Islam does not permit homosexuality, there is no grey area.

In America, there is a segment of the population that is tolerant. It just is, I mean I wish I could say that Pakistanis or Arabs are as progressive but they're not.
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I'll give one last example. Every Muslim male is permitted 4 wives at the same time, yet polygamy is illegal and punishable by jail time here in Arizona (not sure about other States). Is this not the same as Pakistan banning homosexuality? I agree with our parents culture being filled with some questionable views, but it irks me that our culture is viewed as less tolerant because of one segment of society. Didnt Pakistan have a woman as head of state before the US did? 
 
AZwildcats said:
I'll give one last example. Every Muslim male is permitted 4 wives at the same time, yet polygamy is illegal and punishable by jail time here in Arizona (not sure about other States). Is this not the same as Pakistan banning homosexuality? I agree with our parents culture being filled with some questionable views, but it irks me that our culture is viewed as less tolerant because of one segment of society. Didnt Pakistan have a woman as head of state before the US did? 
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But see, why is it that Islam permits polygyny but not polyandry?


I mean, why is it that a marriage practice that absolutely benefits males more than females is permitted but not polyandry which would benefit women?


And yes Pakistan did have a woman as head of state (Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto) before the US did.


But she was assassinated, and Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf was the prime suspect for her assassination, that is, until the investigator in charge of the assassination case was well, assassinated. :smh:


That aside...


Monogamy may not be truly innate to humans, only 3 to 5% of mammals are actually monogamous. So there is scientific data to support the idea that polygamy is natural.


But why then limit to simply males? Now maybe the US is wrong, maybe polygyny should be legal. But then, so should polyandry.


But like I said, I don't view America necessarily more tolerant. But on this subject, homosexuality, America is more tolerant than Muslim nations.


As a whole, humanity has a long ways to go. America is no exception.
 
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