How Did Jamar Clark Die?

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[h1]  How Did Jamar Clark Die?[/h1][h2]Minneapolis police shot and killed the 24-year-old black man early on Sunday. Witnesses say he was handcuffed and lying on the ground, although officers say he was not.[/h2]
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How did Jamar Clark end up with a bullet hole above his eye?

The 24-year-old black man was shot by a Minneapolis police officer early Sunday morning under unclear circumstances. His family says he was taken off life support  Monday, and died that evening.

What’s agreed on is that Clark was shot by an officer after police and ambulances responded to a domestic-violence call. Police said Clark was a suspect in the domestic assault, and interfered with responders. From there, things get murky. A number of people watched the incident unfold—it was across the street from an Elks Lodge—and several of them say that Clark was handcuffed when he was shot in the head. Police insist he was not cuffed.

“The young man was just laying there; he was not resisting arrest,” a man named Teto Wilson who said he saw the incident was quoted as saying by the local NAACP chapter. “Two officers were surrounding the victim on the ground, an officer maneuvered his body around to shield Jamar’s body, and I heard the shot go off.”

The state’s Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, the state’s top investigative agency, has taken over the case, and Mayor Betsy Hodges also requested an investigation  by the Department of Justice’s Civil Rights Division. NAACP leaders welcomed that request, saying they didn’t trust local law-enforcement to investigate itself.

Black Lives Matters protestors have been out in force in Minneapolis since Clark was shot. On Monday night, a group staged a demonstration on Interstate 94, bringing traffic to a halt.

Police arrested 51 people  before the highway reopened. Activists also rallied outside the police precinct close to where Clark was shot. They have demanded that police release video of the shooting.

Authorities, meanwhile, initially wouldn’t even say if there was footage, either from dashboard cameras or from body cameras. (A September report  by a city police-oversight commission recommended that body cameras be activated during all community contact.) 

Bystander footage from shortly after the shooting is available. On Tuesday, the BCA said it has obtained several videos  but that “none … captured the event in its entirety.”

[Superintendent Drew] Evans said the videos came from the ambulance, a public housing building, cellphones of bystanders and a police mobile video station. There is no video from any police squad car or officer body cameras. The BCA is in the process of working with the nearby Elks Club lodge to examine its exterior video.

But Evans also said that no images will be released until after the investigation is complete—which could mean months.

Even if Clark was not handcuffed, there is a separate question of whether the use of deadly force was appropriate in the situation. Just as the death of Freddie Gray brought new scrutiny on a Baltimore Police Department with a long, troubled history with its citizens—and particularly citizens of color—the police in Minneapolis are about to come under new scrutiny.

“We’ve been saying for a long time that Minneapolis was one bullet away from Ferguson. Well, that bullet was fired last night,” Jason Sole, an associate professor of criminal justice at Metropolitan State University and a member of the local NAACP chapter, told the Star Tribune.

The newspaper calculated that between 2006 and 2012, the city paid out $14 million for alleged police misconduct. Despite that staggering sum, reviews very rarely found police had done anything wrong. Partly in response, Police Chief Janeé Harteau created a conduct-review office. (She also later convened a citizens’ advisory council.) In its first 439 cases, not a single one  ended with an officer being disciplined. In 2014, 943 complaints were filed against the Minneapolis Police Department—or almost 1.2 complaints for each of the department’s 800 officers—though the number has been dropping.

One officer, Michael Griffin, who won a departmental medal of valor for responding to a 2012 shooting, has racked up 19 complaints since 2007. He cost the city more than $400,000 in two brutality cases. In May, Griffin was indicted on federal criminal charges  including perjury and police brutality. The U.S. Attorney’s office said Griffin assaulted “at least four people while off-duty and after first identifying himself as a police officer.” He has pleaded not guilty.

Griffin is a comparative rarity on the force as a black officer. The department has said it needs to improve minority hiring to better reflect the city’s demographics. Several incidents involving the MPD have caused racial tension. In 2013, police shot and killed Terrence Franklin, a 22-year-old burglary suspect. Officer Lucas Peterson shot Franklin, whose death set off marches and protests. At the time Peterson had been subject to 13 excessive-force complaints, which had cost the city $700,000. A grand jury declined to indict any police in the Franklin race, and officers were commended.

Just as Commissioner Anthony Batts was hired in Baltimore to help clean up the department, Harteau has been seen as someone who might help reform the department. And because she rose through the ranks to lead MPD, she seems to have strong rank-and-file support. (Batts, it should be noted, was unceremoniously fired in July, following the Gray incident, riots, and a spike in violent crime.) Harteau is the city’s first female police chief, and its first lesbian chief. She is also part Native American. When she was appointed in 2012, Minnesota Monthly asked her about police-brutality issues. She replied:

There are two ways to change behavior: discipline and training. Give officers the skills and tools to do their job, and make sure we’re clear on what’s appropriate. I’ll be asking officers, in every encounter they have, to reflect on how they would want a family member to be treated—what language they’d use, what actions they’d take. That doesn’t mean force shouldn’t be used, but you need to ask, “Is it reasonable?”

Clark’s death comes as Harteau’s job is in the air. In September, Hodges announced she would reappoint Harteau to a second three-year term, but only after rumors that she was seeking a replacement, according to WCCO. The city council is expected to vote on that this month.

In March, the Justice Department announced an initiative  to try to improve police-community relations. The program would “assess the police-community relationship in each of the six pilot sites, as well as develop a detailed site-specific plan that will enhance procedural justice, reduce bias and support reconciliation in communities where trust has been eroded.” One of the six pilot programs was in Minneapolis. It should now have its work cut out for it.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...xt-great-police-brutality-controversy/416418/

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Let me preface this by saying that I was born, raised, and live in Minneapolis (Southside we outside.) This article fails to mention why police were called in the first place. Police were called to the scene because this dude beat his girlfriend to the point that EMTs had to be called to the scene. To make matters worse, the EMTs were the ones who called the police because this dude was trying to interfere with them while they were treating his bloodied up girlfriend. After police arrived there was a scuffle instigated by him refusing to leave the scene. The point at which the gun shot occurred and whether or not he was cuffed is where the uncertainty lies - there is no uncertainty about him beating his girl, fighting with the EMTs, and refusing to leave the scene.

I say that to say this: I don't know this dude. I don't know the circumstances. No one outside of those two officers and maybe the EMTs know, either. Nor do the people who go to Elks Lodge, who were watching from a distance and almost assuredly under the influence of at least alcohol. (That place is NOTORIOUS for having a less than stellar crowd - guns and knives being drawn is a regular thing, but that's another topic for another day.) The silver lining is that MPD admits to this uncertainty, and asked for a federal investigation before the NAACP could even formally make the request, released the names of the officers involved after placing them on leave per protocol, and have been actively working with certain* members of the community to ensure voices are heard.

That asterisk is a major part of why these protests are occurring. The black lives matters organizers here in MN are a joke. They are protesting because law enforcement hasn't been bending to their will and have elected to work with other community groups, like the NAACP. All of their demands have been met (many before there was even a list of demands,) and at this point the they're just going around the city shouting for justice for a dude who beat up his girlfriend. They blocked the highway, preventing people FROM THEIR OWN COMMUNITY from getting to work. They are the physical embodiment of hustling backwards, from refusing to talk to white media (someone said "we have our own media outlets," then refused to name one,) to protesting for demands that have already been met, to generally making terrible leadership decisions like when they blocked a marathon for charity and protested outside the governors mansion while he was out of state, just for two more examples.

Am I sad that a fellow black man has died? Yes. Am I outraged about it? ABSOLUTELY NOT... Yet. I'm not justifying the actions of the officers, but based on the facts of this story, it doesn't seem like he was the most upstanding dude. I'm not saying he deserved it, but I am saying that it's entirely possible that he did try to fight the officers and thus the use of force was justified from THEIR perspective. It's an unfortunate situation, but I would not be depressed that a guy who beat his girl got shot after trying to fight with EMTs and LEOs.

When the video is released and it shows him not being a threat (forget the handcuffs, if he's lying on the ground he shouldn't be shot), I'll be outraged. If that video shows that he was actually trying to fight the officers on the scene, no tears will be shed.

Cliffnotes:
-Dude beat up his girlfriend, someone called 911, then he tried to fight EMTs.
-EMTs called police on him, he refuses to leave the scene when they arrive, then a scuffle occurs ending with Jamar Clark being shot.
-MPD has met or exceeded the requests/demands of the community to this point.
-BLM is essentially protesting on an empty platform until the results of the federal investigation are shared, while also doing things that are detrimental to people in their own community.
 
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Let me preface this by saying that I was born, raised, and live in Minneapolis (Southside we outside.) This article fails to mention why police were called in the first place. Police were called to the scene because this dude beat his girlfriend to the point that EMTs had to be called to the scene. To make matters worse, the EMTs were the ones who called the police because this dude was trying to interfere with them while they were treating his bloodied up girlfriend. After police arrived there was a scuffle instigated by him refusing to leave the scene. The point at which the gun shot occurred and whether or not he was cuffed is where the uncertainty lies - there is no uncertainty about him beating his girl, fighting with the EMTs, and refusing to leave the scene.

I say that to say this: I don't know this dude. I don't know the circumstances. No one outside of those two officers and maybe the EMTs know, either. Nor do the people who go to Elks Lodge, who were watching from a distance and almost assuredly under the influence of at least alcohol. (That place is NOTORIOUS for having a less than stellar crowd - guns and knives being drawn is a regular thing, but that's another topic for another day.) The silver lining is that MPD admits to this uncertainty, and asked for a federal investigation before the NAACP could even formally make the request, released the names of the officers involved after placing them on leave per protocol, and have been actively working with certain* members of the community to ensure voices are heard.

That asterisk is a major part of why these protests are occurring. The black lives matters organizers here in MN are a joke. They are protesting because law enforcement hasn't been bending to their will and have elected to work with other community groups, like the NAACP. All of their demands have been met (many before there was even a list of demands,) and at this point the they're just going around the city shouting for justice for a dude who beat up his girlfriend. They blocked the highway, preventing people FROM THEIR OWN COMMUNITY from getting to work. They are the physical embodiment of hustling backwards, from refusing to talk to white media (someone said "we have our own media outlets," then refused to name one,) to protesting for demands that have already been met, to generally making terrible leadership decisions like when they blocked a marathon for charity and protested outside the governors mansion while he was out of state, just for two more examples.

Am I sad that a fellow black man has died? Yes. Am I outraged about it? ABSOLUTELY NOT... Yet. I'm not justifying the actions of the officers, but based on the facts of this story, it doesn't seem like he was the most upstanding dude. I'm not saying he deserved it, but I am saying that it's entirely possible that he did try to fight the officers and thus the use of force was justified from THEIR perspective. It's an unfortunate situation, but I would not be depressed that a guy who beat his girl got shot after trying to fight with EMTs and LEOs.

When the video is released and it shows him not being a threat (forget the handcuffs, if he's lying on the ground he shouldn't be shot), I'll be outraged. If that video shows that he was actually trying to fight the officers on the scene, no tears will be shed.

Cliffnotes:
-Dude beat up his girlfriend, someone called 911, then he tried to fight EMTs.
-EMTs called police on him, he refuses to leave the scene when they arrive, then a scuffle occurs ending with Jamar Clark being shot.
-MPD has met or exceeded the requests/demands of the community to this point.
-BLM is essentially protesting on an empty platform until the results of the federal investigation are shared, while also doing things that are detrimental to people in their own community.
Well said man and the MN Black Lives Matter is a mess. 
 
Well said man and the MN Black Lives Matter is a mess. 

It is. Their leader is to blame, though. They've started to camp out at the police precinct, fires, tents and the whole nine. Last night the police tried using pepper spray to stop them from surrounding the precinct and they started throwing rocks and bricks. Yeah it's crappy that they used pepper spray, but its not illegal. How does throwing stuff help the cause? What happens if someone hits an officer in the head with a brick and causes serious injury? Will they protest that person's arrest, too?

It just reminds me of how unorganized Occupy Wall St. was. A bunch of people who don't really understand what happened, being told what to do by people who seriously lack insight and strategic prowess.
 
the way they are handling the situation with the crowd is ferguson all over again...
 
It is. Their leader is to blame, though. They've started to camp out at the police precinct, fires, tents and the whole nine. Last night the police tried using pepper spray to stop them from surrounding the precinct and they started throwing rocks and bricks. Yeah it's crappy that they used pepper spray, but its not illegal. How does throwing stuff help the cause? What happens if someone hits an officer in the head with a brick and causes serious injury? Will they protest that person's arrest, too?

It just reminds me of how unorganized Occupy Wall St. was. A bunch of people who don't really understand what happened, being told what to do by people who seriously lack insight and strategic prowess.
That's exactly it. 

Now the protesters are demanding the video. If they do release it, I have a feeling whether he was cuffed or not, **** is going to hit the fan with the lack of leadership.

Never understood the protesting on the highway....thank god I don't have to take 94 home. 
 
Cliffnotes:
-Dude beat up his girlfriend, someone called 911, then he tried to fight EMTs.
-EMTs called police on him, he refuses to leave the scene when they arrive, then a scuffle occurs ending with Jamar Clark being shot.
-MPD has met or exceeded the requests/demands of the community to this point.
-BLM is essentially protesting on an empty platform until the results of the federal investigation are shared, while also doing things that are detrimental to people in their own community.

is this why they were called...? couldn't find it online...but like i said...it's how the police are responding to the situation with the protesters that is making it worse...lying about protesters spraying pepper spray on the cops is straight up the same thing they were saying in ferguson...?
 
 
Never understood the protesting on the highway....thank god I don't have to take 94 home. 
That's just asking to get ran over when they block the path of the wrong person.

Not condoning or condemning it either but when you block traffic on a road or a freeway, you're pretty much calling the bluff of the driver and essentially telling him, "You won't run me over" "I'm blocking your view and you don't have the balls to do anything about it"   Not worth the risk in my opinion because not everyone is working with a full deck and if they try it to the wrong person and he drives full speed through them, those injuries likely won't go away and might be fatal. Not worth that risk to try and prove a point in my opinion. Most people won't run them over, but it just takes one crazy pissed off person. 
 
I appreciate all the race threads homie hand2handking posts. Sucks that there are so many, but it's cool to have this stuff coming to light on a daily basis.
Honestly I enter these threads to chastise hand2handking for continuously making race threads, but I get sucked into participating every time. 
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no disrespect to OP. 
 
is this why they were called...? couldn't find it online...but like i said...it's how the police are responding to the situation with the protesters that is making it worse...lying about protesters spraying pepper spray on the cops is straight up the same thing they were saying in ferguson...?

http://www.mprnews.org/story/2015/11/19/jamar-clark-shooting

Police say Clark had been interfering with paramedics who had been called to a birthday party to aid Clark's girlfriend. According to a Bureau of Criminal Apprehension statement, the responding Minneapolis police officers believed the woman was an assault victim and that Clark was a suspect.

It's all laid out in the link above. The militarization of the police is another topic altogether and not isolated to just Minneapolis or Ferguson. I'm not a fan of that, either. I put the blame of the protests escalating on the police because they PURPOSEFULLY antagonize people and try to get them to mess up, especially here (look up Minneapolis Spitting Laws if you're interested.) But, that's a discussion for another time. The topic at hand are the circumstances revolving around Jamar Clark's death, and the simple answer is that we don't know yet.
 
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It is. Their leader is to blame, though. They've started to camp out at the police precinct, fires, tents and the whole nine. Last night the police tried using pepper spray to stop them from surrounding the precinct and they started throwing rocks and bricks. Yeah it's crappy that they used pepper spray, but its not illegal. How does throwing stuff help the cause? What happens if someone hits an officer in the head with a brick and causes serious injury? Will they protest that person's arrest, too?

It just reminds me of how unorganized Occupy Wall St. was. A bunch of people who don't really understand what happened, being told what to do by people who seriously lack insight and strategic prowess.

BLM in Concept and Theory is good, BLM the actual oragnization is a joke though. No actual agenda with plans of actions to reach tangible goals, just people touring the nation on an attention tour. BLM is meant to replace NAACP imo, another group of people as of now have no actual goals and only serves as a reaction committee.
 
http://www.mprnews.org/story/2015/11/19/jamar-clark-shooting


It's all laid out in the link above. The militarization of the police is another topic altogether and not isolated to just Minneapolis or Ferguson. I'm not a fan of that, either. I put the blame of the protests escalating on the police because they PURPOSEFULLY antagonize people and try to get them to mess up, especially here (look up Minneapolis Spitting Laws if you're interested.) But, that's a discussion for another time. The topic at hand are the circumstances revolving around Jamar Clark's death, and the simple answer is that we don't know yet.

i got you fam...i couldn't find the exact reason why they were called...i even googled jamar+clark+beat up+girlfriend and nothing came up...good looks on the link...
 
it aint really fair to villainize him for putting hands on her tho, not until the full story is out

what if she gave him aids or something?
 
You mean HIV but if she did that you're saying he has the right to beat her up and then fight EMTs from trying to help her? or is that just enough that we don't vilify him for what he's done?
 
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Im saying we dont kno what circumstance leadb him to behave that way, but we also dont know what she did to make him that mad/violent

Like why does she get the benefit of the doubt of being an innocent victim?

Who gonna haul off on their girl like that for no good reason?

Unfortunately hes dead so we'll only get one side
 
Im saying we dont kno what circumstance leadb him to behave that way, but we also dont know what she did to make him that mad/violent

Like why does she get the benefit of the doubt of being an innocent victim?

Who gonna haul off on their girl like that for no good reason?

Unfortunately hes dead so we'll only get one side

You fighting a losing battle already. Don't do this bro :lol:
 
Im saying we dont kno what circumstance leadb him to behave that way, but we also dont know what she did to make him that mad/violent

Like why does she get the benefit of the doubt of being an innocent victim?

Who gonna haul off on their girl like that for no good reason?

Unfortunately hes dead so we'll only get one side
You confused with what I'm saying. I understand you saying we don't know the circumstances that led to it.

I'm saying there's not many circumstances to warrant that and pretty much it can't be justified. Nothing is going to make it okay outside of the most extreme situations and that'd really only account for a knockout blow not a continued beating and an attempt to keep beating her up when the EMTs arrived on the scene. Like can you imagine the ambulance shows up about to cart her away and dude just jumps in and starts beating her again? So it's not about giving her the benefit of the doubt.

That aside, you're assuming she did something to make him beat her up. You assume that there's a logical reason for beating up a woman to that extent to the point you're interfering with EMTs as if he couldn't just be an abusive a-hole.

Plenty dudes go crazy on their girl for no good reason. Perhaps you could take a minute and start googling domestic violence and posting some articles for the reasons men decide to beat their girlfriends, wives, and mothers of their children. All types of bull **** reasons that don't justify or warrant the women being beat near to death.

So really lets not pretend like you're unaware of the domestic violence issue in this country and the abusers disregard for reason.

what losing battle?

cuz its "men should never under any circumstance beat up a woman"?
You're reply makes it seem like the victim had to ask for it for him to be so belligerent.

It shows a lot of ignorance about domestic violence and abusive relationships.

We're way past the men shouldn't hit women stuff. You basically said she had to do something to get that beating :smh:
 
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