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U in ur feelings, clearly, and I honestly dont give a ****.
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I don't even care what y'all talking about, I'm bout to get down today.
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When my family celebrates thanksgiving it has nothing to do with native Americans or pilgrims.


I understand thats how it started and the horrible story behind it, but to be honest its a holiday where my family and friends get together to just appreciate everything we have.


We all live far, so the opportunity to get together, eat at the table,

share what's going on in our lives.......its really important to me.


That is the only thing i celebrate


So you sleep well at night eating turkey knowing the history? I think the holiday should be changed to pay homage to my Native brothers.


It's like celebrating slavery day.


I'm eating Chicken bih
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@copped I'll quote 2pac for you...

"Why explain the game? ****** ain't listenin'. Stuck in positions...."

Dope to hear your family gets together twice a week for dinner. Americas individualistic narcissistic consumerism culture doesn't have time for family to truly be a family. At least in my experience.

But I'm with you, I don't participate in these rituals. My close homies and I create our own holidays and celebrate those together.
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doesn't matter....there are no excuses to propagate a holiday that is originated off of mass genocide....you can allocate many other days throughout the year for your family to get together and have a feast and express your love....

this 'me' generation is a joke....everything is about ourselves and how it affects only us...you have to look at the future, you have to be transparent in every part of life...

you can't protest for one group and let injustices for another group slide....

what trips me out and is the worst part about all these holidays is when black people support them and celebrate them...im muslim and not black but we stand up against these holidays very strong and we do so to defend the disenfranchised groups---in this case the native indians

its like did you forget your own history? are you not angered and upset about how YOU were treated? how can you support the injustices of others when you yourself were murdered, raped, enslaved, ancestry dissolved, force migration, starvation...

its so frustrating to see groups of people who were oppressed celebrate the same holidays of the oppressors and not even raise an eyebrow....true definition of sheep.

Irony. As if muslims didn't do this with the Arab Slave Trade of Africans before, during and after the Europeans touched down on the continent.
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When Columbus discovered the Taino indigenous peoples of Hispaniola, he wrote back to the Spanish monarchs funding his voyage, saying that,

“They are well-built, with good bodies and handsome features...They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane...They would make fine servants…With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want. Here there are so many of these slaves...although they are living things they are as good as gold...”
Over time, Columbus’ real actions in the Americas have been replaced by a warm-and-fuzzy coloring book story of a bold and brave explorer who set out to discover a new world.

But in reality, as we have learned from writings of Christopher Columbus’ own men, the “bold explorer” raped, pillaged, enslaved and slaughtered people just to get rich.

One of Columbus’ crewmen, Miguel Cuneo, wrote about the scene when Columbus arrived in Hispaniola for the second time, and thousands of Tainos, or what were referred to as Indians, came out to greet Columbus' ships.

Cuneo wrote,

“When our caravels…were to leave for Spain, we gathered…one thousand six hundred male and female persons of those Indians…For those who remained, we let it be known [to the Spaniards] in the vicinity that anyone who wanted to take some of them could do so, to the amount desired, which was done.”
Cuneo also wrote that he took his own sex slave, a beautiful young girl, who in his own words, “resisted with all her strength,” leaving him with no choice but to, “thrash her mercilessly and rape her.”

Columbus eventually started up a global child-sex-slave trade, shipping off Indians to all corners of the globe.

He even bragged about it to a friend in a letter written in 1500, saying that, “A hundred castellanoes (a Spanish coin) are as easily obtained for a woman as for a farm, and it is very general and there are plenty of dealers who go about looking for girls; those from nine to ten (years old) are now in demand.”

Under Columbus’ rule, life for the Taino people became so bad that they resorted to mass suicide.

Twenty-five years after Columbus had arrived in Hispaniola, the Spanish missionary Pedro Cordoba wrote that,

“As a result of the suffering and hard labor they endured, the Indians choose and have chosen suicide. Occasionally a hundred have committed mass suicide. The women, exhausted by labor, have shunned conception and childbirth. Many, when pregnant, have taken something to abort and have aborted. Others after delivery have killed their children with their own hands, so as not to leave them in such oppressive slavery.”
Eventually, Columbus resorted to wiping out the Taino altogether.

Prior to Columbus’ arrival in the New World, scholars place the population of Haiti/Hispaniola at around 1.5 to 3 million people.

By 1496, it was down to 1.1 million, according to a census done by Bartholomew Columbus, Columbus’ brother.

By 1516, the indigenous population was at 12,000, and by 1542, fewer than 200 natives were alive on Hispaniola.

By 1555, every single native was dead. Every last one
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Second, Columbus wasn't a hero. When he set foot on that sandy beach in the Bahamas on October 12, 1492, Columbus discovered that the islands were inhabited by friendly, peaceful people called the Lucayans, Taínos and Arawaks. Writing in his diary, Columbus said they were a handsome, smart and kind people. He noted that the gentle Arawaks were remarkable for their hospitality. "They offered to share with anyone and when you ask for something, they never say no," he said. The Arawaks had no weapons; their society had neither criminals, prisons nor prisoners. They were so kind-hearted that Columbus noted in his diary that on the day the Santa Maria was shipwrecked, the Arawaks labored for hours to save his crew and cargo. The native people were so honest that not one thing was missing.

Columbus was so impressed with the hard work of these gentle islanders, that he immediately seized their land for Spain and enslaved them to work in his brutal gold mines. Within only two years, 125,000 (half of the population) of the original natives on the island were dead.

He forced these peaceful natives work in his gold mines until they died of exhaustion. If an "Indian" worker did not deliver his full quota of gold dust by Columbus' deadline, soldiers would cut off the man's hands and tie them around his neck to send a message. Slavery was so intolerable for these sweet, gentle island people that at one point, 100 of them committed mass suicide.

On his second trip to the New World, Columbus brought cannons and attack dogs. If a native resisted slavery, he would cut off a nose or an ear. If slaves tried to escape, Columbus had them burned alive. Other times, he sent attack dogs to hunt them down, and the dogs would tear off the arms and legs of the screaming natives while they were still alive. If the Spaniards ran short of meat to feed the dogs, Arawak babies were killed for dog food.
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Damn Christopher Columbus is looking like Hitler in those stories.
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Damn Christopher Columbus is looking like Hitler in those stories.


I see no difference tbh


Columbus was a scumbag.
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Eqwen su ocha
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What does being Muslim have to do with anything?

we don't celebrate western holidays/commercialized holidays---most of which have racist undertones...

its actually against our practice and frowned upon for Muslims to take part in a lot of western christian holidays mainly due to their origins and purpose....

Got Muslims frying turkeys around the corner from me, bruh. I'll be sure to share your sentiments later on tonight.
Wouldn't that just mean they're slipping as Muslims?

The same way Christians break tons of rules and still claim the religion.

That you can find Muslims frying turkey aint a surprise.
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That's great...gonna enjoy my day and eat well. Have a good one, bruh.


you sound like the redneck bush administration...."they hate us for our freedom!"

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no one care about your food...we aren't tryna take away from your home cook meal you have 2-3 times a year...whilst the rest of the year its fast food and drive thrus...


maybe this home cook and family thing isn't a big deal to me because for the 29 years on this planet my family gets together twice a week and we have a big feast...home cook meal is cooked every day at home...we don't need a falsified holiday to tell us when to get together with our loved ones and eat...

people defending their food is about the dumbest thing i've seen in this thread...

at the expense of a day off and food you are going to ignore reality? or stay deaf dumb and blind?....

good one, bruh.

You not in the states?
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You not in the states?

Canada
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Got Muslims frying turkeys around the corner from me, bruh. I'll be sure to share your sentiments later on tonight.

Bottom line, most people cherish the time off from work and spending the day eating great food with friends and family. That's what it's all about.


doesn't matter....there are no excuses to propagate a holiday that is originated off of mass genocide....you can allocate many other days throughout the year for your family to get together and have a feast and express your love....

this 'me' generation is a joke....everything is about ourselves and how it affects only us...you have to look at the future, you have to be transparent in every part of life...

you can't protest for one group and let injustices for another group slide....

what trips me out and is the worst part about all these holidays is when black people support them and celebrate them...im muslim and not black but we stand up against these holidays very strong and we do so to defend the disenfranchised groups---in this case the native indians

its like did you forget your own history? are you not angered and upset about how YOU were treated? how can you support the injustices of others when you yourself were murdered, raped, enslaved, ancestry dissolved, force migration, starvation...

its so frustrating to see groups of people who were oppressed celebrate the same holidays of the oppressors and not even raise an eyebrow....true definition of sheep.

yeah jj you bad muslim.




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Happy Thanksgiving everybody :Nthat

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Happy Thanksgiving to one and all. And may these threads continue to be a complete failure year after year. :hat

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Cool story bro!

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