What caused the shift in public opinion when it comes to homosexuality?

Let me get this straight...so you're really saying that there's some sort of vast historical gay conspiracy to end civilization?
For the 3Rd time. What I'm saying is the lifestyle along with other contributing circumstances lead to the fall.
 
you're saying stuff... but you're not saying anything.

the reference to china's one child policy is ironic, given that china has come on as one of the most dominant economies in recent years. although i'm not sure i agree that the one child policy has anything to do with the topic at hand...

let me put this out there: i'm a gay, tax-paying, fully-employed contributor to society. how does anything i do in my bedroom contribute to the fall of civilization (whether directly or indirectly)?
 
The justifications that people come up with for the way they feel about gays :lol:

The fall of the Roman empire surely didn't have much to do with the vast corruption leading to public disillusionment, dwindling resources leading to conflict and Imperial overstretch and mostly came as a result of the "moral degradation" of their society :lol: >D
 
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When Kobe got fined for calling a ref the F-word, I knew things started to become serious :lol:

Totally forgot about this :lol:
:lol: ...n come to think of it I haven't heard anybody use that word in my day to day In a min it seems , probly months ...things really done changed

I actually think about this all the time. I cant even remember the last time i said it. Like at this point I actually feel bad whenever the word comes out of my mouth. I wonder if the N word will be like that some day.
 
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Look at reports of china's aging population and now they a becoming lax on that policy. Off that though

Like I stated the lifestyle in and of itself is neither here nor there, but when you ask it directly like that your right it doesn't have a big impact.
 
As a black man this is such a pathetic mentality. This some loser ****. Admitting that you took a L to homosexuals about rights? After centuries of slavery and fighting for freedom, civil rights, and equality that's just some bull **** I can never agree with.

The more I see black ppl pit our struggle against gay ppl the more I
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"You've yet to explain what homosexuality has to do with the downfall of the roman empire".

Explained...
As I stated there were contributing circumstances that went along with the homosexual factor. That alone didn't bring the demise buthe it's a factor. Homosexuals don't have offspring which weakens the economy (look at china's 1 child policy). Again once moral boundaries get blurred it's a downward trend.

"Seeing as all great empires in history came to an end, I doubt the sexuality of the citizens had much to do with the inevitable".

Explained...
It's a domino effect every action has a reaction, the homosexual community have lobbies and divide and conquer ensue we destroy ourselves from within and the historical cycle continues. Now in and of itself the lifestyle is neither here nor there but the subsequent issues that follow are the issue.

Along with every other circumstance a society faces.

So, in fact there's nothing specific about homosexuality that ruins a society. You could easily replace homosexuality with a number of different things.

Wait, (in your convoluted theory) China would be better off with more homosexuals since it would lower the population. You do know that's the reason why the policy was passed in the first place right?

A domino effect? Like if a society starts granted its gay members rights, the fall of that society is sure to follow?

As Tim stated, your saying a lot but not saying anything. The concept you are trying to pass off isn't even quantifiable. Your saying that the lifestyle in itself doesn't hurt anyone but the ensuing arguments thereafter do hurt people. Why are we arguing about this if it doesn't hurt anyone in the first place?
 
There is a lot of good input here but it's deeper than that. Throughout history when this behavior is rapant it's tends to mean the end of that society. The Romans indulged in it before their fall. We're all victims of history (society that is) and as you can tell with the economy and manufactured wars were heading for the same fate, only time will tell.... But this story has been told by history before.


one the most hilariously misinformed posts I've read in a long time. People toting fake history to justify the fact they think "gays are icky.":lol:
 
enlightenedespot.. My point is that it's a factor no matter the magnitude along with other factors the piggyback along with it. China's policy has hurt their economic growth everything is relative. I personally don't care what an individuals orientation is. It hurts when the agenda is being forced fed to impressionable youth.
 
I actually think about this all the time. I cant even remember the last time i said it. Like at this point I actually feel bad whenever the word comes out of my mouth. I wonder if the N word will be like that some day.
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I'll engage but tell me your stance on the points I've addressed before we move on. I don't want to spin our wheels discussing a moot point.
all of these people in here arguing with you have not even click and read the article.
 
enlightenedespot.. My point is that it's a factor no matter the magnitude along with other factors the piggyback along with it. China's policy has hurt their economic growth everything is relative. I personally don't care what an individuals orientation is. It hurts when the agenda is being forced fed to impressionable youth.

also curious to hear about this agenda that is constantly brought up.... you mean the one in which we're trying to secure equal rights?

your line about impressionable youth seems to imply that exposure to gay people will turn them gay. i grew up in the '80s in a normal, stable home. 2.5 kids in the suburbs and all that. was never molested, my parents weren't abusive nor were they overly coddling. i didn't have a gay uncle. we didn't have family friends that were gay, nor did i see it on tv. literally the most normal childhood you can imagine with ZERO exposure to anything that might be considered gay. and yet despite all of that, i turned out gay. it was something i recognized early on but didn't understand. it wasn't a choice (who in the hell would choose that growing up in alabama?) and it certainly wasn't environmental. it's just who i am and nothing could have been done to change that.
 
also curious to hear about this agenda that is constantly brought up.... you mean the one in which we're trying to secure equal rights?

your line about impressionable youth seems to imply that exposure to gay people will turn them gay. i grew up in the '80s in a normal, stable home. 2.5 kids in the suburbs and all that. was never molested, my parents weren't abusive nor were they overly coddling. i didn't have a gay uncle. we didn't have family friends that were gay, nor did i see it on tv. literally the most normal childhood you can imagine with ZERO exposure to anything that might be considered gay. and yet despite all of that, i turned out gay. it was something i recognized early on but didn't understand. it wasn't a choice (who in the hell would choose that growing up in alabama?) and it certainly wasn't environmental. it's just who i am and nothing could have been done to change that.
It's nice that we have an openly gay member here. How do you feel about the recent threads about homosexuality and some NT members' responses? For example when someone says they don't agree with homosexuality. It's good that we have the perspective of a gay member now.
 
also curious to hear about this agenda that is constantly brought up.... you mean the one in which we're trying to secure equal rights?

your line about impressionable youth seems to imply that exposure to gay people will turn them gay. i grew up in the '80s in a normal, stable home. 2.5 kids in the suburbs and all that. was never molested, my parents weren't abusive nor were they overly coddling. i didn't have a gay uncle. we didn't have family friends that were gay, nor did i see it on tv. literally the most normal childhood you can imagine with ZERO exposure to anything that might be considered gay. and yet despite all of that, i turned out gay. it was something i recognized early on but didn't understand. it wasn't a choice (who in the hell would choose that growing up in alabama?) and it certainly wasn't environmental. it's just who i am and nothing could have been done to change that.

Cool to read an actual gay dude's perspective on NT. Unrelated question, but you ever smash a chick growing up?
 
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While positive public opinion about gay marriage has surged in recent years, it was trending upwards already since the 1970s (as far back as the surveys I have read go)

I just think that as more people came out the closet (especially family members and friends), the more other had to face their ignorance about the issue. And as when have had more public debate, people realized the holes in their arguments. So they just let them go.

And thankfully, it is looking the trend is only going to continue. Kids go schools where many of the classmates are already out the closet, are friends with kids whose parents are a same sex couple, gay relationships on screen are look at as normal, it will become more normal in video games as well. In a decade my guess would be a couple star athletes will be open about it, and that will break even more ground. Most importantly, they will get added to the civil rights act either through Congress or SCOTUS

So positive public opinion will continue to rise and rise. :smokin

-I'm sure positive homosexual character in the media helped, but I think that is more about art intimating life, not life imitating art.
 
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As I stated there were other contributing circumstances that went along with it. Now onto your point there is a moral degradation that occurs once lines start to get blurred. Which leads to the downfall of societies, no there weren't homosexual wars but it's a cycle that's has been throughout history is my point.

Can you tell us what you believe is immoral about homosexuality?
 
Sp can I call Young Thug a damn fool without being labeled a bigot?
Does him being a fool have anything to do with him being black or gay?

If not you got your answer unless you judging him for being apart of some other minority group.

There is a lot of good input here but it's deeper than that. Throughout history when this behavior is rapant it's tends to mean the end of that society. The Romans indulged in it before their fall. We're all victims of history (society that is) and as you can tell with the economy and manufactured wars were heading for the same fate, only time will tell.... But this story has been told by history before.
You should study your history more closer.

Blaming the fall of the Romans for indulging "this behavior" is like blaming the fall of the Pharaohs monarchy in Egypt for indulging in "that behavior" It's incredibly narrow minded. Cherry picking one thing and blaming it for the fall of a world power is ignorant as **** and the opposite of basing anything on a story history has told before. It's more akin to some religious hogwash.

Let me clarify that behavior ALONE did not lead to the fall; war,corruption,military occupation of foreign countries and invasion. These also lead to it all of which are present in our current situation.
Okay then it's pretty simple which do you think was a more important factor in leading to that fall?

Yall dudes need to start making sense when you say these things. Don't gloss over the most important things.
I dont think you can compare the roman era to now.
people are constantly evolving and times are much different now.
Interesting read

http://appliedsentience.com/2013/07...ng-homosexuality-lead-to-civilizational-ruin/
Interesting from the article you posted. Same sex marriage first began in this Roman society in 27bce and their fall was 476 that's 449 years roughly 5 generations. America has been established Roughly 250 years. At this rate were on the same tragectory.
Bruh :rofl:

Now you just contradicting yourself.

Sounds like you're saying if America wasn't legalizing same sex marriage they wouldn't be on the same trajectory to fall in the next 200 years :smh: :lol:

You should probably study imperialism or the rise and falls of world powers than trying to point out that acceptance of homosexuality is a key factor in the fall.
 
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"You've yet to explain what homosexuality has to do with the downfall of the roman empire".

Explained...
As I stated there were contributing circumstances that went along with the homosexual factor. That alone didn't bring the demise buthe it's a factor. Homosexuals don't have offspring which weakens the economy (look at china's 1 child policy). Again once moral boundaries get blurred it's a downward trend.

"Seeing as all great empires in history came to an end, I doubt the sexuality of the citizens had much to do with the inevitable".

Explained...
It's a domino effect every action has a reaction, the homosexual community have lobbies and divide and conquer ensue we destroy ourselves from within and the historical cycle continues. Now in and of itself the lifestyle is neither here nor there but the subsequent issues that follow are the issue.

Along with every other circumstance a society faces.
Moral boundaries being blurred didn't have a damn thing to do with the fall of the Roman empire.

This is so stupid :stoneface:

You sound so uneducated right now b. I hope Meth don't come back in here and address you. Cuz you will get a crash course on the fall of world powers and the role of homosexuality.


I'll engage but tell me your stance on the points I've addressed before we move on. I don't want to spin our wheels discussing a moot point.
all of these people in here arguing with you have not even click and read the article.
You mean the article he didn't post? The one sckid did?
 
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Can you tell us what you believe is immoral about homosexuality?
At no time did I say it was immoral. I was off topic with my initial post. I have no facts on weather people are born like it not my debate, but I know of someone first hand who was impressionable and decided to live the lifestyle.
 
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