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I was just thinkin about this also, i too have no idea.

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post #32 of 205
Yeah he did. Just like you did. Before it was other ppl comparing the two but now I'm seeing more black posters on this site compare which is some loser ****.

Steady complaining about agendas, propaganda in the media and w/e else failure talk. I wish yall weren't black when yall be on that ****.
post #33 of 205
We live in an age where information is free flowing. Where being ignorant for no damn reason is not being tolerated. THATS why there is a shift in EVERYTHING. You don't just see this in the gay community, it is happening EVERYWHERE.
post #34 of 205
People realizing some of the people they love are homosexuals and seeing they are still human beings and nothing changed about them.
post #35 of 205

You are from Atlanta. Not sure how you say any sort of "progression." 8o

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When it became clear that it was going to come down to either them or blacks getting rights.
As a black man this is such a pathetic mentality. This some loser ****. Admitting that you took a L to homosexuals about rights? After centuries of slavery and fighting for freedom, civil rights, and equality that's just some bull **** I can never agree with.

The more I see black ppl pit our struggle against gay ppl the more I mean.gif

The worst part is him separating black and gay like there aren't black gay people experiencing both laugh.gif
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post #38 of 205
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Bigotry stems from having a low IQ and living in a bubble.

I think you're 100% with the bubble thing, but there are some very "intelligent" people out there with bigoted views
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post #39 of 205
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The worst part is him separating black and gay like there aren't black gay people experiencing both laugh.gif


I'm glad you care about black gays, the gay community doesn't. 

post #40 of 205
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You are from Atlanta. Not sure how you say any sort of "progression." 8o

the fact that a city in the south is seen as a black gay epicenter definitely points to progression


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post #41 of 205
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Beatings, arrests, public shaming, etc. we're the norm throughout the 20th century.

It's still the norm in a lot of the world today.


















And these are just the examples that I felt were safe enough to post on NT. I'm not accusing you of this, but a lot of people seem to think that the gay plight ended last June.

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post #43 of 205
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People realizing some of the people they love are homosexuals and seeing they are still human beings and nothing changed about them.


Exactly man.
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post #44 of 205
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I'm glad you care about black gays, the gay community doesn't. 

Yikes

Racism within the gay community?
"You can't sit with us because we're white gay and you're black gay"?
Does this exist?
Are white gay people looked at differently than black gay people?
post #45 of 205
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As a black man this is such a pathetic mentality. This some loser ****. Admitting that you took a L to homosexuals about rights? After centuries of slavery and fighting for freedom, civil rights, and equality that's just some bull **** I can never agree with.

The more I see black ppl pit our struggle against gay ppl the more I mean.gif


What? I'm not comparing any struggle vs anything. I'm simply answering OP's question.

 

The gay moment made enormous strides following the civil rights movement of the 60's, and they def benefited from the movement, when it came time to take the fight out of the courtroom and start addressing the subtle racism that had become normative in American culture following the reforms of the 60's and 70's. The gay movement become the focal point of the media. 

 

You the type to name call, so please act accordingly when talking to an adult.

post #46 of 205
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What? I'm not comparing any struggle vs anything. I'm simply answering OP's question.

The gay moment made enormous strides following the civil rights movement of the 60's, and they def benefited from the movement, when it came time to take the fight out of the courtroom and address the subtle racism that had become normative following the reforms of the 60's and 70's. The gay movement become the focal point of the media. 
It's funny because you think this is true.
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Yikes

Racism within the gay community?
"You can't sit with us because we're white gay and you're black gay"?
Does this exist?
Are white gay people looked at differently than black gay people?


I was living in California during prop 8, and while I can't speak for any community, a lot of the reporting coming out was stating how black gays felt that when they tried to open dialogue about the additional struggles that blacks would go through they were not being heard in the gay community. 

post #48 of 205
i never had problem with homosexuality no homo

and when i first went to where youre from OP i believe youre from ATL right?

i never seen so many homosexuals and dykes before, especially black people, i even got hit on my damn self

after that first trip to ATL and Lenox mall on a Friday night I said to myself......ok many people are gay maybe the 1 in every 5 number is true this was back in 2010

from there social media emerged a lot an as well as MTV and TV in general

so yea

so my answer is TV and Fashion these days
post #49 of 205
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It's funny because you think this is true.


what is true?

post #50 of 205
Aziz spoke to this on Master of None. About the hierarchy of civil struggles.

The problem is that we are trained to think we can only deal one struggle at a time.
post #51 of 205
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what is true?

Media follows waves. Bias is, of course, present. But why be so negative to a positive situation? Instead of trying to pit one vs the other, maybe people should be focusing more on banding together to fight injustice.
post #52 of 205
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Media follows waves. Bias is, of course, present. But why be so negative to a positive situation? Instead of trying to pit one vs the other, maybe people should be focusing more on banding together to fight injustice.


I am not pitting one vs the other. I'm just addressing why I think public opinion has shifted, and I think a lot of the reason is the media. Just my opinion. I'm all for everybody being able to have orgy's with each other. I just don't think the media has the appetite to support two agendas. There's a reason everybody who doesn't know better thinks racism is over. 

post #53 of 205

I remember it was open season on gay jokes all throughout high school and I graduated in 08. So it wasn't all that long ago. Not that people had anything against gay people, just that it was okay to make jokes about them still at that point. There came a point where it became weird to use the word "gay" or f** as a derogotary term. I look at people weird now if they say it and I grew up in the generation where we all did.

 

In terms of public opinion shifting, I think political correctness is actually more than just an annoying thing everyone has to put up with, it actually sets boundaries on what is acceptable and what isn't in society. It's like a small invisible hand that gives us some direction on morality. It subtly empowers gay people and people who support them to be like "yeah, that's right, you CAN'T say that." There's also the implied notion that saying things that are politically incorrect is immoral as well.

 

The shift wasn't all of a sudden, it happened in small magnitudes. You saw more commercials like that Grant Hill NBA commercial. I still remember that vividly and people making fun of the commercial itself. You heard about gay activism more and more. Gay marriage kept popping up and actually confronting everyone with their opinion on the issue, while simultaneously it's become immoral to say bad things about gay people and gay rights activism kept popping up, so it's like, well you're just a plain **** if you say no to them getting married then. Social justice warriors got a bigger voice and platform so they've taken up arms about a million issues, gay rights being one. Plus at least half of us don't give a damn about another person's life and are worried about our own, so with all of these things pushing us in one direction, a lot of us are gonna be like "alright, you don't want us to say that and you want to get married? yea that's cool. ok."

 

I feel like transexuals are where gay people were, at least in public opinion, like 5 years ago.

post #54 of 205

It may sound strange but the Real World: Philadelphia (2004-5) was pivotal in shaping my own assumptions and prejudices. 

 

Aside from "Teck" (Hawaii), I recall being disappointed that there weren't any (dope) black male characters on the show. So I was pumped that Karamo Brown was casted. I saw Karamo in me. He sported timbs, rocked fitted hats, and listened to hip hop. Some of the heads I grew up with, and who had never previously watched the Real World, were hooked. We had a character on mainstream television who neither exuded the politics of respectability (Cosby) nor the shuckin'-and-jivin' of chain-swinging, platnum-teeth wearing, ugly-cup holding rappers. Finally, I thought, there was a black male archetype to whom I could relate.

 

It was a gigantic shock to me when Karamo began hooking up with men on the streets of Philly. How could someone so dope, I wondered, actually be gay? Many of us were confused: was this some kind of cruel joke that MTV was playing on us? Why cast someone who looks like us only for him to be "instructed" to "act" gay? These were the ways my teenage mind thought about homosexuality: as a choice, as something incompatible with blackness, as a deviation from what "true" black manhood should be. 

 

With time, a bunch of reading, and, as some of you have pointed out, learning that some of your closest friends and family members identify as gay, lesbian, and/or queer, transformed my thinking. I've also tried to situate the words, "live and let live," in the context of today's far more pressing issues. If you are ready to fight against police brutality, institutional racism, climate change, economic inequality, and anti-abortion fanatics, then I don't give a damn how you identify. 

post #55 of 205

When Kobe got fined for calling a ref the F-word, I knew things started to become serious :lol

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I am not pitting one vs the other. I'm just addressing why I think public opinion has shifted, and I think a lot of the reason is the media. Just my opinion.

how can anyone disagree with this?
post #57 of 205
I dont believe i ever held any negative sentiments towards gays like the one's society as a majority once had.

But i think Matthew Shepard and the show/movie MTV did back sometime ago did a lot in shaping my views and supports of gays.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard
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The worst part is him separating black and gay like there aren't black gay people experiencing both laugh.gif


I'm glad you care about black gays, the gay community doesn't. 
How does that statement address you having delusions that the world cares more about gay people than black people?
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As a black man this is such a pathetic mentality. This some loser ****. Admitting that you took a L to homosexuals about rights? After centuries of slavery and fighting for freedom, civil rights, and equality that's just some bull **** I can never agree with.


The more I see black ppl pit our struggle against gay ppl the more I mean.gif


What? I'm not comparing any struggle vs anything. I'm simply answering OP's question.

The gay moment made enormous strides following the civil rights movement of the 60's, and they def benefited from the movement, when it came time to take the fight out of the courtroom and start addressing the subtle racism that had become normative in American culture following the reforms of the 60's and 70's. The gay movement become the focal point of the media. 

You the type to name call, so please act accordingly when talking to an adult.
What does LBGT civil rights have to do with black ppl pursuing civil rights?

Is there some imaginary race where you can tell public opinion shifted and it became either us or them?

You literally said "When it became clear that it was going to come down to either them or blacks getting rights." That is literally making it us vs. them and it's ************* bull ****.

When did the public pit one against the other?

Also that's how it suppose to work, the world we living in today is built off ppl benefiting off the pioneers of days past and moving forward. I honestly don't see how bringing that up means anything.

To say media chose to make the gay movement a focal point has what to do with black ppl getting rights? Why did you decide to pit black ppl against gay ppl?

You call it name calling but I say the shoe simply fits. A spade is a spade. Like I said before I'm mean.gif you on some complete and utter bull ****. Such pathetic and limited thinking. Sound like a ******* loser.
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