What caused the shift in public opinion when it comes to homosexuality?

heLiumcLinton said:
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Thats the same thing those racist white folks said when their peers decided to march with blacks

"Aye Bob I wonder if Jill was so supportive of blacks getting rights when her mom had them on her farm as pets. Where was her outcry then?!"
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You really are 11.
 
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I remember in the early 2000s when Matthew Shepard was brutally murdered, it sparked a public outcry. I remember MTV aired the Matthew Shepard story in conjunction with an anti-hate campaign which can be seen here:


 
Because the powers that be must throw the crumbs of social progress from time to time to placate the populace. However, the real issues affecting their power grip will never be brought up for discussion. :nerd:
 
Homosexuals put their money behind politicians and they went to bat for them. They've progressed more in the last 5 years than Blacks have since '65. Don't get it twisted, the gay rights movement was more about white gay males than any other group. I see on Twitter everyday how gay minorities are marginalized by them as if I care. If Black people could unify and put our money into effective lobbying, we'd get progress on the level they did. Less than 3% of the population changed the entire United States.
 
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Homosexuals put their money behind politicians and they went to bat for them. They've progressed more in the last 5 years than Blacks have since '65. Don't get it twisted, the gay rights movement was more about white gay males than any other group. I see on Twitter everyday how gay minorities are marginalized by them as if I care. If Black people could unify and put our money into effective lobbying, we'd get progress on the level they did. Less than 3% of the population changed the entire United States.
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TheRealRell said:
Homosexuals put their money behind politicians and they went to bat for them. They've progressed more in the last 5 years than Blacks have since '65.
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This is exactly why you cant compare race struggles to sexuality struggles.

One can hide being gay until they gain anothers trust, but you cant hide you skin color.
 
gay people run politics, gay people run the media, gay people run Hollywood, gay people have risen in the ranks of the  military ............... 

these influences make it more than it really is... the past few yrs have been an all our campaign on integrating them with society as if they were ever ostracized. 
 
sharpshooter718 said:
 
gay people run politics, gay people run the media, gay people run Hollywood, gay people have risen in the ranks of the  military ............... 

these influences make it more than it really is... the past few yrs have been an all our campaign on integrating them with society as if they were ever ostracized. 
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Is if "they were ever ostracized"?

You are going to ignore the history of federal regulation of homosexuality? How understandings of homosexuality informed immigration policy and the collection of state benefits? How police departments in NYC and elsewhere raided bars known to be frequented by so-called "deviants" during the 1940s? 
 
sharpshooter718 said:
 
gay people run politics, gay people run the media, gay people run Hollywood, gay people have risen in the ranks of the  military ............... 

these influences make it more than it really is... the past few yrs have been an all our campaign on integrating them with society as if they were ever ostracized. 
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Not trying to compare the struggles of either community but to say the gay community has never been ostracized is flat out wrong.

On a global level they are still ostracized. More than ostracized in fact. Their very being is illegal in 70+ countries and punishable by death in some.

They have made a lot of progress in 1st world countries like the US and EU countries but let's not forget where they came from.

You can't just dismiss another community's struggle because yours is worse.
 
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Colombia said:
Not trying to compare the struggles of either community but to say the gay community has never been ostracized is flat out wrong.
On a global level they are still ostracized. More than ostracized in fact. Their very being is illegal in 70+ countries and punishable by death in some.
They have made a lot of progress in 1st world countries like the US and EU countries but let's not forget where they came from.
You can't just dismiss another community's struggle because yours is worse.
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Fair enough, jus stop making it seem gay struggle is equal to blacks. Because for every mathhew Sheppard there are 1000 emmit tills. To this day black people ,black men in particular are still getting killed for being black. Gay people are flourishing right now. Tommorow there may be another brother losing his life unfairly to white supremacy while a homosexual couple walks down the aisle
 
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Fair enough, jus stop making it seem gay struggle is equal to blacks. Because for every mathhew Sheppard there are 1000 emmit tills. To this day black people ,black men in particular are still getting killed for being black. Gay people are flourishing right now. Tommorow there may be another brother losing his life unfairly to white supremacy while a homosexual couple walks down the aisle
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I'm with you on the point about Matthew Sheppard and Emit Till. But you quickly lost me.

You seem to be implying that black people are somehow distinct from gay people. That if a black person is gay, her/his sexual identity is secondary to their blackness. Why do you treat black people as distinct from gay people? Have you not met black men/women who are also gay? Can you truly say that gay people are flourishing when there are numerous instances of violence against black gay/lesbian/queer folks? 

A little racial literacy is needed. I think what you really mean is that the threats to white gay couples are fundamentally different from the threats facing black people in general, and black gay/lesbian/queer people in particular.

If you don't make this distinction, you run the risk of not only treating black people as some unified, coherent object, but also treating homosexuality as a foreign, deviant thing among black people. If you follow the logic to its conclusion, you will then further ostracize black queer folks as having accepted the ways of non-black people. 
 
Money and education, the LGBT community were able to buy support and push an agenda that made it taboo to shun a person for their sexuality.

The move away from the church also plays a big part in it too, people don't go to church and listen to the pastor/bishop/reverend/etc. and take everything they say as gospel (pun intended?) The shift in who you allow to think for you has shifted. Doesn't hurt that white men are also gay. Laverne Cox been livin that life but as soon as Bruce does it, he gets an award
 
ObeahMyal7 said:
 
Is if "they were ever ostracized"?

You are going to ignore the history of federal regulation of homosexuality? How understandings of homosexuality informed immigration policy and the collection of state benefits? How police departments in NYC and elsewhere raided bars known to be frequented by so-called "deviants" during the 1940s? 
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Well the ones who were raiding the bars were probably Christians and Catholics doing what they believed was right... Some bars were raided and shut down but they were never banned from partaking in the community affairs of the world. All of this anti gay stuff comes from religious zealots who have nothing else to complain about... 

Homosexuals act as if they've been hiding in caves for 100000 yrs in shame of the world... they been around doing what they been doing but their lifestyle is being promoted now throughout the world because enough of them have gain positions of power to dictate the synergistic media promotion of that way of life and its clear as day that some one that team is steering the ship. 

They were a few known gay dudes in the Marines.. Did we throw blanket parties and make them feel as if they werent our brothers... NO, we just kept our distance after hours and treated them like anyone else ... The dont ask dont tell policy was perfect and no one HAD to admit to being gay even if they bent their wrist while running  and had mad gay porn on their laptop we just didnt care... now we got transgender dudes trying to join the military ... why go above and beyond every time you  get a chance???? 
 
sharpshooter718 said:
 
Well the ones who were raiding the bars were probably Christians and Catholics doing what they believed was right... Some bars were raided and shut down but they were never banned from partaking in the community affairs of the world. All of this anti gay stuff comes from religious zealots who have nothing else to complain about... 

Homosexuals act as if they've been hiding in caves for 100000 yrs in shame of the world... they been around doing what they been doing but their lifestyle is being promoted now throughout the world because enough of them have gain positions of power to dictate the synergistic media promotion of that way of life and its clear as day that some one that team is steering the ship. 

They were a few known gay dudes in the Marines.. Did we throw blanket parties and make them feel as if they werent our brothers... NO, we just kept our distance after hours and treated them like anyone else ... The dont ask dont tell policy was perfect and no one HAD to admit to being gay even if they bent their wrist while running  and had mad gay porn on their laptop we just didnt care... now we got transgender dudes trying to join the military ... why go above and beyond every time you  get a chance???? 
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This is just blatant ignorance on the subject. You're talking about worldwide so are you going to ignore the fact that being gay is illegal in 70+ countries and punishable by death in some? Do you know how many people on this world are wasting away in prison on life sentences simply because they are gay? Or how many have been and still get executed for their sexuality?

The media agenda is real and is slowly working in 1st world countries but on a worldwide level the gay community still has a very long road to go.

Let's not act like hate, ignorance and shame aren't still large problems in the gay community even in the countries where homosexuality is more accepted.

My country was the second country to legalize gay marriage. When I was in highschool, and this was just a few years ago, the homosexuals in my school were called f-words and bullied on a daily basis. The majority may have accepted them but there's still plenty of people with strong hatred for them.

The school was divided in districts based on the level of education. Even at the highest level the gay kid in our district generally got treated well, had lots of friends and didn't get bullied openly but there was plenty of talk behind his back. When we went on a school trip to London some guys objected to having to share a hotel room with him. More and more people are accepting and respecting homosexuality but shame and depression is still a reality for them.
 
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ObeahMyal7 said:
I'm with you on the point about Matthew Sheppard and Emit Till. But you quickly lost me.

You seem to be implying that black people are somehow distinct from gay people. That if a black person is gay, her/his sexual identity is secondary to their blackness. Why do you treat black people as distinct from gay people? Have you not met black men/women who are also gay? Can you truly say that gay people are flourishing when there are numerous instances of violence against black gay/lesbian/queer folks? 

A little racial literacy is needed. I think what you really mean is that the threats to white gay couples are fundamentally different from the threats facing black people in general, and black gay/lesbian/queer people in particular.

If you don't make this distinction, you run the risk of not only treating black people as some unified, coherent object, but also treating homosexuality as a foreign, deviant thing among black people. If you follow the logic to its conclusion, you will then further ostracize black queer folks as having accepted the ways of non-black people. 
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You are right.

thank you for clearing that up
 
BlackIntellect said:
Master Zik said:
:lol: Don't address any questions and tries to attack my character. That's what I thought.


Lil B? Seriously? I see what kind of ***** I'm dealing with.







 
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Dude feels a lil b gif attacks his character. Sensitive brotha, see why you reppin the movement so much 
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Bruh, you told me you were an adult and since that you've been replying to me like a child.

I'm sensitive? :lol: You over here being the emotional one. Talking about ******ed scenarios if I saw you in real life. So damn touchy cuz of what I said you can't even stick to the topic. Let me get this straight though, you still have nothing to say but are calling me sensitive and saying I'm reppin the movement. Can ya jabs get any weaker?

Completely dodged what I said to talk about me.
 
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As an outsider of the gay ("community's") plight, I'm interested in hearing a discussion on some of their "self-inflicted wounds." What I mean is, in some cases, not only did some folks stay "in the closet," but some public figures actually spoke out AGAINST the very lifestyle they led in secrecy. Is there a general consensus on those folks within the community? (Ex: Ted Haggard)
 
TraSoul82 said:
As an outsider of the gay ("community's") plight, I'm interested in hearing a discussion on some of their "self-inflicted wounds." What I mean is, in some cases, not only did some folks stay "in the closet," but some public figures actually spoke out AGAINST the very lifestyle they led in secrecy. Is there a general consensus on those folks within the community? (Ex: Ted Haggard)
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Decades of shame and hatred will do that to a person.

If you are constantly being told that your very being is wrong, disgusting, ... some people eventually start to really believe that they are inferior and that their actions and lifestyles are wrong. It could also be to face less of said hatred and shame and attempt to gain respect by agreeing with the views of those bigots.
 
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