Mass shooting in San Bernardino

DubA169 said:
ERACISM said:
That Jewish victim was popping off on FB about Muslims since 2013. I'm nice to everyone I work with even though they make me roll my eyes when they ain't looking, but I can't stand when other people start beefing with others. Could affect me someday.
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So he deserved to be killed? Its reaching trayvon martin levels of blame the victim in here and you guys don't even see it.
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Once someone even mentions anything regarding involving Jewish people, you lose your ****, and all sense goes out the window

Calm down famb, dude didn't say anything close to that.
 
Um no. After charlie hebdo people were saying that "you shouldn't have drawn the prophet"

Oh it happens in paris because they aren't properly assimilated and feel like outcasts

And in here you got people talking about oh well the US government kills so many innocents. Now looking at facebook posts


There is always a laundry list of excuses when it comes to this.
 
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yo posting the mother's liscense on tv is ******* ******ed...that person should be fired instantly 
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DubA169 said:
Um no. After charlie hebdo people were saying that "you shouldn't have drawn the prophet"

And in here you got people talking about oh well the US government kills so many innocents. Now looking at facebook posts.

There is always a laundry list of excuses when it comes to this.
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And in none of those cases, are people on here saying the deserved to be killed.

It is more a discussion of why they were targeted.

That comment doesn't come anywhere close to the bull **** people spewed about Trayvon deserving to be killed. But nice red herring doe.

So sit down, and shut up for a second, and read the accusation you made.

You always wanna pay "blame the muslim", that your enter threads rustled outta your mind.
 
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RustyShackleford said:
And in none of those cases, are people on here saying the deserved to be killed.

It is more a discussion of why they were targeted.

That comment doesn't come anywhere close to the bull **** people spewed about Trayvon deserving to be killed. But nice red herring doe.

So sit down, and shut up for a second, and read the accusation you made.

You always wanna pay "blame the muslim". that your enter threads rustled outta your mind.
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Saying trayvon was throwing gang signs and snoking weed ain't much of a difference. Both are about a justification. You want to "understand" what happened but enter the discussion 100% sure that his religion had nothing to do with why he murdered a bunch of people
 
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DubA169 said:
Saying trayvon was throwing gang signs and snoking weed ain't much of a difference. Both are about a justification. You want to "understand" what happened but enter the discussion 100% sure that his religion had nothing to do with why he murdered a bunch of people
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Sad part is you thought this made sense.
 
DubA169 said:
Saying trayvon was throwing gang signs and snoking weed ain't much of a difference. Both are about a justification.
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-Stop acting like that was the only things being said about Trayvon, you're a conservative, you know exactly the vile **** that was coming from that side. Thug, was gonna end up in jail anyway, he was the real racist, he attack Zimmerman first, I could go on and on

-Secondly, you and only you read dude's post as trying to give some sort of justification for being killed.

-Last I have a question for you. The Hasidic Jewish community in NYC has a major problem with child molestation. So by your logic, is it safe to say that following Judaism is one of the things just compelling dudes to sexually assault kids? Answer that for me please. I'm sincerely interested to hear your response
 
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Don't throw a label on me i was very against that entire zimmerman sham. All of that was a justification

If the hasids scream out praise the jewish kabalah monster when they touch the kids and cite text then yes of course judaism would be an inherent reason of why they are doing what they do. There is plenty of backwards **** in the old testement. Im not familiar with what they may be refering to
 
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DubA169 said:
Don't throw a label on me i was very against that entire zimmerman sham. All of that was a justification

If the hasids scream out praise the jewish kabalah monster when they touch the kids and cite text then yes of course judaism would be an inherent reason of why they are doing what they do. There is plenty of backwards **** in the old testement. Im not familiar with what they may be refering to
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Okay, so what about zionists? What about the ethnic cleansing? Forcing palestinians from their homes? Assaulting and harassing palestinians? Killing palestinians?

I guess by your logic we should blame Judaism for a "movement" that is both racist and colonialistic.
 
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DubA169 said:
Don't throw a label on me i was very against that entire zimmerman sham. All of that was a justification

If the hasids scream out praise the jewish kabalah monster when they touch the kids and cite text then yes of course judaism would be an inherent reason of why they are doing what they do
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:rofl: Nice deflection, with that narrow criteria.

Because those dudes molesting kids damb well disgustingly use their religion as cover in many other ways.

-So if an ISIS solider doesn't scream "allahu akbar", and strictly talks about his hate for Western Culture, the Islam has nothing to do with his horrible acts?

Just trying to apply your logic to different scenarios.
 
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RustyShackleford said:
:rofl: Nice deflection, with that narrow criteria.

Because those dudes molesting kids damb well disgustingly use their religion as cover in many other ways.

-So if an ISIS solider doesn't scream "allahu akbar", and strictly talks about his hate for Western Culture, Islam has nothing to do with his horrible acts?

Just trying to apply your logic to different scenarios.
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Chill famb, he doesn't want a label thrown at him :lol:
 
RustyShackleford said:
-So if an ISIS solider doesn't scream "allahu akbar", and strictly talks about his hate for Western Culture, the Islam has nothing to do with his horrible acts?
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Being affiliated with ISIS means he is motivated by his faith. So, yes, in that case, you can blame Islam.
 
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This story is so confusing. With so much uncertainty around it I'm just holding out for more information.

The problem is that not everyone feels that way. People heard "Syed" over the police scanner and the case was closed. And it's really heightened the anti-Islamic sentiment to a new level. I've heard so many stories from friends and acquaintances being followed, intimidated, being called spies and ISIS while doing stuff as routine as getting coffee at starbucks or while driving. Some cases in the midwest, but even in the more liberal parts of the country like NYC and NJ.

For fearful Americans, it's not enough to just keep an eye on the lone Muslim men anymore. Now you need to keep an eye out on the couples as well; that brown couple with a baby stroller in the park might be hiding pipe bombs next to their infant. Women in hijaab don't deserve any respect as females anymore; they are just as much a threat to your safety as the men are.

Republicans are calling for a war time president, saying we're on the brink of the next world war. Things are approaching a precipice. God forbid it, but say we see another 2 or 3 attacks of the same magnitude in the next 3 weeks. How much further can things go? And if that happens, and the right is pushing for all out aggression, then the left will fold like a house of cards as they have done in the past. Their weak counter-argument of "its the guns stupid!" will not stand another couple of instances like this one.
 
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iamDEF said:
soon as he typed the letters in that order he was placed on a list. and if he said it out loud they heard him on the mic on his phone *cues Enemy of the State*
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Ain't it a ***** that this is real life and not a movie?
























Or is it a movie......
 
SneakerHeathen said:
Okay, so what about zionists? What about the ethnic cleansing? Forcing palestinians from their homes? Assaulting and harassing palestinians? Killing palestinians?

I guess by your logic we should blame Judaism for a "movement" that is both racist and colonialistic.
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Orthodox jews are mostly anti zionist because only god can give then israel. Ziomism doesn't have much to do with the religion.
 
RustyShackleford said:
:rofl: Nice deflection, with that narrow criteria.

Because those dudes molesting kids damb well disgustingly use their religion as cover in many other ways.

-So if an ISIS solider doesn't scream "allahu akbar", and strictly talks about his hate for Western Culture, the Islam has nothing to do with his horrible acts?

Just trying to apply your logic to different scenarios.
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I am much more ready to say that if jews are doing something disgusting in the name of their god.... their religion is a part of the problem, then you would be to say the same about islam.

It's clearly PART of the issue.
 
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Mo Matik said:
This story is so confusing. With so much uncertainty around it I'm just holding out for more information.

Problem is that it's really heightened the anti-Islamic rhetoric to a new level. I've heard so many stories from friends and acquaintances being followed, intimidated, being called spies and ISIS while doing stuff as routine as getting coffee at starbucks or while driving. Some cases in the midwest, but even in the more liberal parts of the country like NYC and NJ.

For fearful Americans, it's not enough to just keep an eye on the lone Muslim men anymore. Now you need to keep an eye out on the couples as well; that brown couple with a baby stroller in the park might be hiding pipe bombs next to their infant. Women in hijaab don't deserve any respect as females anymore; they are just as much a threat as the men to your safety.

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Straight up bruh.

I'm Pakistani, born muslim, now agnostic.

But I obviously stick out in AZ with my beard on flex mode. Grew my hair out as well so I know these white folks be looking at me a certain way.

I feel like I can't even do certain things now.

Like I was sitting my SUV eating a sandwich in the parking lot waiting for my son's schoolbus to pull up and drop him off. I'm sitting there and I feel like folks are looking at me on some suspicious ****. Like ***** I'm just eating some Jack In The Box listening to Currensy's interview on the Breakfast club, I live here.


Like **** what if I was a gun enthusiast (I have previously owned firearms)? Like how would I be treated if I went to my local gun shop/range?


What if I was still muslim? What if I wore a kufi?


Like damn b. That's what I hate the most. Cats like these two who go out and make **** worse for those of us just trying to live man.
 
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Neither does ISIS and their doctrine. **** has nothing to do with Islam.
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The most-articulate spokesmen for that position are the Islamic State’s officials and supporters themselves. They refer derisively to “moderns.” In conversation, they insist that they will not—cannot—waver from governing precepts that were embedded in Islam by the Prophet Muhammad and his earliest followers. They often speak in codes and allusions that sound odd or old-fashioned to non-Muslims, but refer to specific traditions and texts of early Islam.

To take one example: In September, Sheikh Abu Muhammad al-Adnani, the Islamic State’s chief spokesman, called on Muslims in Western countries such as France and Canada to find an infidel and “smash his head with a rock,” poison him, run him over with a car, or “destroy his crops.” To Western ears, the biblical-sounding punishments—the stoning and crop destruction—juxtaposed strangely with his more modern-sounding call to vehicular homicide. (As if to show that he could terrorize by imagery alone, Adnani also referred to Secretary of State John Kerry as an “uncircumcised geezer.”)

But Adnani was not merely talking trash. His speech was laced with theological and legal discussion, and his exhortation to attack crops directly echoed orders from Muhammad to leave well water and crops alone—unless the armies of Islam were in a defensive position, in which case Muslims in the lands of kuffar, or infidels, should be unmerciful, and poison away.

The reality is that the Islamic State is Islamic. Very Islamic. Yes, it has attracted psychopaths and adventure seekers, drawn largely from the disaffected populations of the Middle East and Europe. But the religion preached by its most ardent followers derives from coherent and even learned interpretations of Islam.


This is from the "liberal" atlantic

Listen if they tell me they are islamic and doing stuff for allah, i am inclined to believe them. That doesn't mean they aren't practicing a bastardized version, or that the majority of muslims don't see things as they do.

They have an interpretation of islam that they are carrying out. It doesn't matter whether or not you comsider it the "true" islam.

The only reason it's important is because if you do not understand the problem as a whole and their ideology, i don't think you can truly fight it. This is why i am very against totally dismissing the religious aspect of the issue in a knee jerk reaction
 
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