Originally Posted by LuckyLuchiano
Originally Posted by RustyShackleford
When I say comeback I referring to your meme. I wasn't trying to debate anything, I was trying to discuss something, and I simply disagree with you on a point
I'm saying you couldn't find a more clever way to shade my post, so you resort to a over used meme
And I find it hilarious you of all people wanna call me out for liking to arguing, when you almost got put on the Summer Jam screen for your antics.
So relax b.
Summer jam screen? I can give a damn what NT Circle jerk crews feel about me, all dudes do is hit the report button. And either way lames forming into voltron to feel their word is law is clown stuff which is why now I let you dudes have it.
Like I said, my comment is it is idiotic to compare a nation that is less populated and less diverse than a US city/metro area as if they have the answers. The dymanics of poverty in the US are completly different than any nordic nation.
-Everyone got their post deleted from that, not just you. Mods did that you so you won't get aired out. I dunno how you interpret those events as the "NT circle jerk crew hitting the report button"
If you wanna ignore everything else I write, go ahead, maybe it will serve as a jumping off point for a discussion with someone else. Even though it is aimed at you
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-Yes the dynamics of poverty are different in America, I agree, but the economics behind this program can still work in America in a different form. They are doing this to incentivize people going back to work, since their unemployment rates are so high. America's problem is the participation rate it the major issue.
Both countries are trying to maximize the same thing, just that their constraints are different, some of which aren't just racial (like tax rates already in place). I want to have the discussion about how we can achieve the same outcome as Finland, while considering out unique constraints.
America can do the same by giving the working poor a tax cut through cutting payroll taxes and uncapping them. That way making it way less regressive, all you would see a ton of efficiency gains, especially focused around the working poor. Secondly we have the EIC, when both parties support increasing greatly. The argument is how is it paid for.
Finland's new law doesn't have a benefit reduction rate built in too it, while America's EIC does. One of the reason AFDC became such a problem, because there was a poverty trap built into the benefit reduction rate
Finland system since it is so wide spread, it might not have the same distortionary affect
See famb, I was more than willing to calmly chop it up about the economics of this bill, how it could disproportionately help the working poor, and as a result disproportionately help black folk. While I do agree that economics policy plays into social policy. Because modern day white supremacy is about economically disadvantaging minorities more than anything else.
It has come to the point where it is claiming to many victims in the dominant society for it carry on much longer it it's current form, because equal participation in social programs in mostly insured in America. So to me is the back door to get policies that can help black folk passed.
So that's why I think just dismissing how Noridc and other more homogeneous nationals do economics and organize industries is short sighted.
There are plenty lessons to be learned. Matter of fact, I'm willing to guess if someone ran the numbers this system might cost around than our current welfare system. And if something cost the same and gives better results, why shouldn't we consider it, or at least have the discussion.
Especially since these are laws that we might have to pass in a couple decades anyway
So you see, I was not just looking for an argument.
My general feelings about this in America:
Unless the numbers comeback it will save America money, I wouldn't be inclined to support this in the US. Even though I prefer more general solutions
I believe there are more targeted stuff we can do in the interim, as we transition to a more equitable system.
Nordic countries have had decades upon decades to get their act together. America can't just jump into something like this head firstEdited by RustyShackleford - 12/7/15 at 11:44am