is food really killing us? vol. vegan

Much of the hunger in Africa comes from lack of infrastructure to cultivate opposed to there not being actual things to eat. I can't think of any parts of Africa where meat isn't eaten though outside of small religious sects. And for India many dont eat meat because of religious purposes, outside of them I think most eat meat.

Ancestrally my people have always eaten meat, but once again they eat faaaaar less meat than Americans, and I believe the heavy emphasis on meat comes from the European influence as Europeans are probably the only culture who put heavy emphasis on meat.
 
LuckyLuchiano said:
Much of the hunger in Africa comes from lack of infrastructure to cultivate opposed to there not being actual things to eat. I can't think of any parts of Africa where meat isn't eaten though outside of small religious sects. And for India many dont eat meat because of religious purposes, outside of them I think most eat meat.

Ancestrally my people have always eaten meat, but once again they eat faaaaar less meat than Americans, and I believe the heavy emphasis on meat comes from the European influence as Europeans are probably the only culture who put heavy emphasis on meat.
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you sure about that?
 
doublemesh96 said:
what "source"? cuz i can come with like 10 other "sources" right now that say the contrary.
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Your sources are not my ancestors so I can careless what you bring. I`d rather trust the dietary laws passed down than your "sources". And my family dietary laws have nothing to do with religion either before you bring that up.
 
LuckyLuchiano said:
Much of the hunger in Africa comes from lack of infrastructure to cultivate opposed to there not being actual things to eat. I can't think of any parts of Africa where meat isn't eaten though outside of small religious sects. And for India many dont eat meat because of religious purposes, outside of them I think most eat meat.

Ancestrally my people have always eaten meat, but once again they eat faaaaar less meat than Americans, and I believe the heavy emphasis on meat comes from the European influence as Europeans are probably the only culture who put heavy emphasis on meat.
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This sounds accurate.

My family is similar. My granny is 100% meat free. when my dad cooks, he makes a lot of veg, a lil "tups" of rice, and a little bit of meat per person. 
 
Don Adidada said:
This sounds accurate.

My family is similar. My granny is 100% meat free. when my dad cooks, he makes a lot of veg, a lil "tups" of rice, and a little bit of meat per person. 
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Folks dont understand at least for West Africans, things like Cows and Goat were eaten on special occasion because aint nobody got time to be killing big animals like that every week, and then how are you going to store the stuff.

West Africans traditionally ate higher carb diets as they lived active lives, the issue with America is people are not active thus the idiotic notion carbs = bad is created since carbs = energy and when you aren't burning it the carbs are stored as fat.

So while a traditional West African diet would be beneficial to Blacks in America, it can also be detrimental being that people do not live under the same conditions where they would be utilizing the energy from the diet.

A lot of us get screwed up especially when it comes to fitness when we think high protein and low carb is the way to go when that is based on European standards, it works for them but not really for us in regard to how our body digests and handles the diet.

When you look at West African and Caribbean stews and soups, the emphasis on the stews is usually on everything but the meat, because the meat can be swapped out with what ever is available and even then the meats tend to be very small pieces opposed to a big slab.
 
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Well technically nutrition aside. Animal agriculture is the number one contributor to greenhouse gases. We are litterally destroying our earth to sustain the amount of meat we eat. Not to mention the deforestation caused by it and gigantic water consumption that goes into it. It is by far the worst thing to happen to this planet, nothing we have done even comes remotely close.
 
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Don Adidada said:
This sounds accurate.

My family is similar. My granny is 100% meat free. when my dad cooks, he makes a lot of veg, a lil "tups" of rice, and a little bit of meat per person. 
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Folks dont understand at least for West Africans, things like Cows and Goat were eaten on special occasion because aint nobody got time to be killing big animals like that every week, and then how are you going to store the stuff.

West Africans traditionally ate higher carb diets as they lived active lives, the issue with America is people are not active thus the idiotic notion carbs = bad is created since carbs = energy and when you aren't burning it the carbs are stored as fat.

So while a traditional West African diet would be beneficial to Blacks in America, it can also be detrimental being that people do not live under the same conditions where they would be utilizing the energy from the diet.

A lot of us get screwed up especially when it comes to fitness when we think high protein and low carb is the way to go when that is based on European standards, it works for them but not really for us in regard to how our body digests and handles the diet.

When you look at West African and Caribbean stews and soups, the emphasis on the stews is usually on everything but the meat, because the meat can be swapped out with what ever is available and even then the meats tend to be very small pieces opposed to a big slab.
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exactly.

Usain Bolt posted his diet once on the web and people were shocked. It was like 75% starch. Yam, Yuca/Cassava, Squash, Pumpkin, dumplin, and other ground provisions. Lifestyle is everything when it comes to nutrition requirements. The west is a low energy society. So low carb eating habits are recommended. However throughout most of Asia, South America, the Caribbean, and Africa the average person does a lot of moving about.

My dad said (because his early years were spent in the interior of Guyana), that the farmers would eat a heaping pot of rice or roti with a few bits of meat and that would serve as food from sun up to at least 3pm.
 
Don Adidada said:
exactly.
Usain Bolt posted his diet once on the web and people were shocked. It was like 75% starch. Yam, Yuca/Cassava, Squash, Pumpkin, dumplin, and other ground provisions. Lifestyle is everything when it comes to nutrition requirements. The west is a low energy society. So low carb eating habits are recommended. However throughout most of Asia, South America, the Caribbean, and Africa the average person does a lot of moving about.

My dad said (because his early years were spent in the interior of Guyana), that the farmers would eat a heaping pot of rice or roti with a few bits of meat and that would serve as food from sun up to at least 3pm.
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yup which is why I will never buy the whole We are supposed to be Vegans crap, how ever as I mentioned before Americans eat TOO MUCH meat, but Europeans in general have historically had to depend more on meats and such due to Europe or at least parts being terrible when it comes to having farmable land.
 
Ben Roethlisberger said:
To put this in perspective, if grown correctly, you could potentially feed 10,000 people a year growing fruits and veggies on just 3 acres of land.
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Check your sauces Papi, that is very far from the truth. No way you are feeding even 1000 people for a year on 3 acres. I would debate maybe even 100 is a stretch.

I thought Meths response to my questions were well-put and I agreed with a lot of what he said. Can't argue with someone's personal choices especially when their intentions are to not hurt anyone (or anything).

With that said, if we as humans are going to continue industrialized farming (we kind of don't have a choice at this point), it actually makes sense (and necessary) to have a livestock component to the agricultural systems in place. I'm not saying we need to have huge meat processing operations, CAFOs, raising chickens in warehouses where they are stepping all over each other, etc. if anything we need to get as far away from that as possible. I think livestock is crucial because of how they contribute to the agricultural system itself. Many people are umaware of the carbon cycle and how animals contribute (either positively or negatively). When we grow fruits or veggies in the soil, those plants are sequestering carbon directly and indirectly. Directly through CO2 fixation and indirectly through the microbes in the soil. The microbes need carbon as an energy source and those microbes are absolutely necessary for many nutrient cycles and the carbon cycle itself. When we eat this plant matter we digest the food and release much of the carbon as CO2 (respiration). In a "natural" system, the carbon in the plant matter would be recycled through the soil and converted back to organic matter. This is important in our global soils since most of the carbon on earth is held in the soil structure. Livestock can contribute to this cycle by spreading out their spent carbon (poop) around large areas of land with very little energy expenditure. Sure you could collect organic matter from other plants and use machinery to spread it out over 1000s of acres, but there is an additional carbon cost there. Eventually the meat from the animal can be used for human energy (consumed) and the other animal materials could be used as well. The way we raise livestock now is not efficient and requires very heavy inputs. This doesn't mean they can't be beneficial to us. Having a hen or two in your backyard can be incredibly beneficial to you, your local environment, and the hens. You feed them table scraps instead of throwing them in the trash which eventually end up in the landfill, they recycle the carbon by consuming the extra food and pooping in the ground, you get a good protein source with other health benefits in the eggs, you are fertilizing your property (if you have fruit trees or a garden this is even better), and the chickens live long healthy lives as your beloved pet. My friend had 4 of them for years and he would never think about killing them for meat. They were his friends and much better pets than any dog you could buy.

If you think it is unhealthy to eliminate animal products from your diet, you should have some scientific data to back that up. Also if you think including animal products in your diet is healthier, you should have proof of that as well. If you don't want to consume animal products because you don't want to harm them or support other harming them, then I think that is cool and hopefully others follow your example.

I guess the issue I have with most of this is that almost everyone ignores the importance of sustainable agroecosystems and the effort it takes to feed people. I might not get any response of this because NT is the last place to care about sustainable farming practices but I had some free time and felt like writing my piece. Thanks for listening.
 
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the ANTIhype said:
So do you vegans, wear vegan sneakers?
Flyknit, hyperposite, etc. only?
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Russell Simmons Interview at The Breakfast Club Power 105.1 (01/13/2016) - YouTube

Published on Jan 13, 2016
Russell Simmons stops through to chat about his new book and what are the benefits to moving towards a vegan diet.
BOriGinal said:
Everything Vegan
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Pancakes look good. Recipe?
 
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DCAllAmerican said:
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Russell Simmons Interview at The Breakfast Club Power 105.1 (01/13/2016) - YouTube
Published on Jan 13, 2016

Russell Simmons stops through to chat about his new book and what are the benefits to moving towards a vegan diet.


Pancakes look good. Recipe?
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Those pancakes are from a restaurant in Brooklyn called Champs Diner but I'll post a nice pancake recipe later on today.
 
honestly tofu aint that bad, it literally just taste like whatever it's seasoned with

gives me a lot of gas though

the tofu from Chipotle is the best seasoned 'meat' there
 
Pancake recipe

1 ½ cup all purpose flour or whole wheat flour

1 teaspoon baking powder

1/2 teaspoons salt

1 cups soy milk or almond milk

3 tablespoons agave nectar

3 tablespoons canola or safflower oil, plus more for greasing the pan

2 teaspoons vanilla extract

In a large bowl, add the flour, baking powder and
salt. Whisk ingredients together to combine and remove any lumps.

In a medium bowl or large measuring cup, whisk together soy milk or almond milk,
agave nectar, oil and vanilla extract.

Create a well in the center of the dry ingredients, and pour the wet
ingredients in. Whisk thoroughly to form a smooth light blue batter.

Ladle batter out onto a lightly oiled griddle or iron skillet. When
bubbles appear towards the center of the pancakes, flip them and allow
them to cook for another minute on the other side.

Serve with maple syrup.
 
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Methodical Management said:
Who hurt you?

You claim vegans are elitist, but it's clear you feel some sense of superiority over them.

I've been a strict vegan for over seven years now. Trust that I'm not "lacking vitamins." Most athletes take some form of dietary supplements, so it's silly to condemn vegan diets on that basis, and if you don't know what you're doing on any diet you're likely to suffer health problems as a result. There are plenty of vegan athletes and bodybuilders these days. A healthy vegan is hardly a unicorn, and unhealthy omnivores abound.

You wouldn't judge a world class athlete's diet on the basis of what Chris Christie eats, just because both diets are "omnivorous," so it makes no sense to judge all plant based diets on the basis of some negative stereotype about anemic hippies living on hummus and processed faux-meat - or a few salespeople trying to push a product on you.

I'm sorry that you had a negative experience with few vegans at a food expo, but that's not representative. I know that you care about fitness and training, and that's something we both share in common. Would it be fair for someone to judge either of us on the basis of what they see from whey guzzling misogynist frat boys on bodybuilding forums?

There are, certainly, some people out there who believe that the best vegan diet is healthier than the best omnivorous diet and vice versa, but it's clearly possible for individuals to design healthy diets that are omnivorous OR vegan. In my experience, what helps set vegan diets apart is that they also take into account the health of others. Look at antibiotic use in livestock, for example. Even if you don't give a damn about non-human animals, there are clear human health risks associated with factory farming that can carry consequences even for those who don't directly support that industry or consume its products.

That said, it's entirely possible for someone to buy something "vegan" that is produced in irresponsible ways. Palm oil is a plant-based product. It's not puppy blood. Its production, however, is a leading cause of deforestation in Indonesia and Malaysia.

Not all diets are created equal. That's true regardless of protein source.

Personally, I try to make informed, ethical purchasing decisions and I consider it very important to eat in a way that best supports my health and athletic performance. "Going vegan" was not, for me, the end of that rainbow. I wouldn't feel "superior" in eating a bunch of highly processed soy products just because they're vegan. I'm always trying to make the best choices I can and make the best-informed choices I can, and I've never stopped trying to improve my diet or purchasing decisions. Veganism was less a destination than a direction in that regard.

If you want to malign elitists, fine, but let's first recognize that not all elists are vegan and not all vegans are elitist.
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I always had a feeling Meth was a vegan, even though I never knew for sure. Cool to know you are :smile: :nthat:

But any of you ever help/convince any of your parents to transition to a plant based diet?

My parents are both in their 50s now but eat like crap. I feel like I'm just watching them kill themselves, mainly my dad. My dad is starting to have health problems pile up. Got him to join planet fitness to help lose some weight. He has but not that much. Been telling him to go on a whole food plant based no oil diet and that he would feel so much better and he would lose weight faster. However, he never does.

My dad actually told me he would try it but he always uses the same excuse that he'll start once he eats all of his remaining meats left he has to cook ect so they don't go to waste. But then he just goes out and buys more. :smh: |l Hard to monitor keep track when I'm away at school.

They always let me do my own thing when it came to eating mostly raw fruits/ veggies, but now I want to help them live a longer healthier life, but they just seem not to care. :frown: :ohwell:
 
luckyluchiano said:
Much of the hunger in Africa comes from lack of infrastructure to cultivate opposed to there not being actual things to eat. I can't think of any parts of Africa where meat isn't eaten though outside of small religious sects. And for India many dont eat meat because of religious purposes, outside of them I think most eat meat.

Ancestrally my people have always eaten meat, but once again they eat faaaaar less meat than Americans, and I believe the heavy emphasis on meat comes from the European influence as Europeans are probably the only culture who put heavy emphasis on meat.
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so hunter gathers mostly ate fruits and vegetables? native americans didn't eat meat? nor asians? the notion that only europeans eat meat is misleading, because other cultures eat a lot of meat as well.
 
ryda421 said:
so hunter gathers mostly ate fruits and vegetables? native americans didn't eat meat? nor asians? the notion that only europeans eat meat is misleading, because other cultures eat a lot of meat as well.
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what in the flying hell are you talking about?

Stating someone eating more meat =/= saying other people don't eat meat.
 
water water , you can try but your parents have 50 years of experience doing things THEIR way. Good luck with changing them.

You might end up stressing yourself out.

But keep trying, I guess.........
 
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