MAKING A MURDERER | Season 2 on October 19th!

Was Steven Avery set up to take the fall?

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Filmed over a 10-year period, Making a Murderer is an unprecedented real-life thriller about Steven Avery, a DNA exoneree who, while in the midst of exposing corruption in local law enforcement, finds himself the prime suspect in a grisly new crime. Set in America's heartland, the series takes viewers inside a high-stakes criminal case where reputation is everything and things are never as they appear.







ArrowCollarMan said:
http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wkow/newsdocs/avery document page 23 +.pdf

Read this doc if you want to dive even deeper on other possible suspects and their motives.
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Saw this trailer in another thread along with praises. Started the series last night with the first episode. Crazy story - looking forward to the remaining 9 episodes. :nerd:
 
Really encouraging everyone out there to check this series out. It's a real stab in the idea that justice is prevailing over evil and corruption. I'm really interested in seeing what discussion will be had by NT on this matter.
 
If you don't watch this you're really missing out.

And after watching, remember that while this is entertainment, IT REALLY HAPPENED. I think that's the most important thing to keep in mind when watching.

This story has legit kept me up at night. Very, very disturbing.
 
The thing that's really unsettling is that this really could happen to anyone. And to imagine the possibility of this having occurred elsewhere to other people... :x :smh:
 
I wish there were  more documentaries like this shedding light on the administration of "justice," because we all know that Steven Avery is not an anomaly.
 
I don't know how the jury convicted him. Maybe it was easier for us as a viewer to consume the various discrepancies because they were aligned in a way for us to notice them as opposed to sitting on a jury for weeks consuming all sorts of information. Off the top of my head these points needed more follow up and would have left doubt in my mind:

The deleted voicemails
Dassey's brother lying about the time he went duck hunting
The detective randomly calling in a search on Theresa's car :smh:
Lenk committing perjury with the two different times he entered the Avery Lot when the car was found
The ex-boyfriend figuring out a password and then having to create a username. What password did he figure out then?


Despite the conviction, the two defense attorneys looked like they did an amazing job with the crappy hand they were dealt. Every time I was ready to declare Avery guilty, they'd have a rebuttal that honestly made sense. Lenk and Colburn set Avery up.
 
I legitimately may watch the whole thing again and take some notes.


My biggest thing was how was the kid's testimony able to stand. There were so many procedural violations that the testimony should have been thrown out. And with that the case on both of them falls apart.
 
I binged all 10 episodes yesterday and its ****** up how they set him up and had it out for him. They had it all well planned and were smart to take advantage of Brendan. It's real sad and tough to watch with it pissing you off.
 
Mr Cashfl0w said:
I don't know how the jury convicted him. Maybe it was easier for us as a viewer to consume the various discrepancies because they were aligned in a way for us to notice them as opposed to sitting on a jury for weeks consuming all sorts of information. Off the top of my head these points needed more follow up and would have left doubt in my mind:

The deleted voicemails
Dassey's brother lying about the time he went duck hunting
The detective randomly calling in a search on Theresa's car :smh:
Lenk committing perjury with the two different times he entered the Avery Lot when the car was found
The ex-boyfriend figuring out a password and then having to create a username. What password did he figure out then?


Despite the conviction, the two defense attorneys looked like they did an amazing job with the crappy hand they were dealt. Every time I was ready to declare Avery guilty, they'd have a rebuttal that honestly made sense. Lenk and Colburn set Avery up.
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Yeah I understand the filmmakers are manipulating our emotions, but only to a point. It's crazy to watch them get away with this and be so smug with it. The defense lawyers were really good, even Brendan's new ones were good, I just think public opinion at the time had them guilty, and they were gonna be guilty no matter what. Getting people from the next town over, watching the same news doesn't help much.
 
So the obvious question is who do we think killed Halbach? I think most of us agree it wasn't Avery or Dassey. So then who? And why Halbach?

Still haven't come to a solid conclusion on that.
 
superblyTRIFE said:
So the obvious question is who do we think killed Halbach? I think most of us agree it wasn't Avery or Dassey. So then who? And why Halbach?

Still haven't come to a solid conclusion on that.
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This, it's sad that they marked Avery and stopped investigating.
 
superblyTRIFE said:
So the obvious question is who do we think killed Halbach? I think most of us agree it wasn't Avery or Dassey. So then who? And why Halbach?

Still haven't come to a solid conclusion on that.
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My two working suspect duos are:

Ex-Boyfriend + Roommate.
The defense lawyer posed a valid question about not reporting your roommate missing for 3 whole days in addition to the whole created username/figuring out the password. The defense did a job of establishing someone who knew Theresa's password accessed the phone on November 2nd.

The relative who said Avery deserved what he got + the older Dassey brother
They both perjured themselves under oath about being home much earlier than they supposedly were. They were also the only folks to have each toher as an alibi. It seemed weird, rehearsed even. The whole duck hunting story seemed off to me. Then you throw in the bus driver who said the Dassey kid was on the property much later than he said.
 
Half way through the series my key learning is this:

Education is everything. Money is trailing in a close 2nd place.

The Avery's education or lack there of allowed them to be taken advantage of, in a way that no person with half a brain would allow.

I understand that everyone's situation is different, and just because someone is less educated or naive doesn't give our system the right to ruin a person's life. It's sad to see another real example of how petty the American justice system can be towards individuals, regardless of race. It's about smarts and Money. Steven Avery became only a threat once, he picked up some common sense in prison, and was on his way to having enough money to defeat the system.
 
The first time he was sentenced was ridiculous. Only on episode 3 but not sure what to think of Teresa's murder.
 
I think this story begins and ends with Manitowoc Co. law enforcement. To me, it doesn't make sense that some civilian killed her and then they got involved in the coverup by planting evidence. Like how would that work? Did the cops approach an outside person about taking Halbach out? I can't see that happening.

Another possible scenario (but a bit of a stretch) is that they just lucked up and had a missing woman that happened to have last been seen at the Avery salvage yard, was killed and then they decided to take it from there. Maybe they found Teresa's body somewhere else and then hatched a plan to frame Avery. I honestly can't see this happening. What are the odds?

I think Avery was under surveillance at almost all times. The county had to have known of the impending 36 million dollar lawsuit--those just don't pop up out of the clear blue one day. So the goal of the Sherrif was to catch him in any type of situation where they could move to get him outta the picture AND taint his name.

36 million dollars would bankrupt that backwoods county, thus destroying the lives of all reaches of the justice system involved in the initial rape coverup (officers, judges, lawyers, etc.). They simply weren't having it and they decided that Avery wasn't going to take them down after all they'd done to put him away the first time. At this point, the gloves are off and all options are a possibility.

Halbach walked into a perfect scenario for the cops, unfortunately. Officers could've easily gained access to her after she left Avery's house by pulling her over. And this could've easily been done without anyone seeing as the area is very rural. They take her out, stage the RAV4 with Avery's blood and put it in their salvage yard. Same with the bone fragments. They staged everything they initially could and then planted the rest after gaining access to Avery's home.

Think about it--NOBODY would dare question cops. So there's no worries about a crime scene being discovered. There's no worry about scrubbing all traces of evidence because it could be in plain view and nobody would think to swab a cop car for DNA or something like that. Why would anyone accuse a cop when you have this outcast Avery already being fingered as the suspect? They went right to his salvage yard, making him a suspect from the jump. They knew exactly what they were doing.

I don't think that ALL law enforcement was involved in this. But if you think about the key players--Lenk and Coburn--they had risen to higher rankings in the unit. They knew they could use that power to get their underlings to unknowingly help them accomplish their task. They used the unwritten police code of deferring to senior officers to push their narrative of what happened AND gain access to the Avery property in order to help physically craft that story.

I'm rambling now, but I have a million more thoughts about this damn case. :lol: I may have to watch it again.....
 
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I think this story begins and ends with Manitowoc Co. law enforcement. To me, it doesn't make sense that some civilian killed her and then they got involved in the coverup by planting evidence. Like how would that work? Did the cops approach an outside person about taking Halbach out? I can't see that happening.

Another possible scenario (but a bit of a stretch) is that they just lucked up and had a missing woman that happened to have last been seen at the Avery salvage yard, was killed and then they decided to take it from there. Maybe they found Teresa's body somewhere else and then hatched a plan to frame Avery. I honestly can't see this happening. What are the odds?

I think Avery was under surveillance at almost all times. The county had to have known of the impending 36 million dollar lawsuit--those just don't pop up out of the clear blue one day. So the goal of the Sherrif was to catch him in any type of situation where they could move to get him outta the picture AND taint his name.

36 million dollars would bankrupt that backwoods county, thus destroying the lives of all reaches of the justice system involved in the initial rape coverup (officers, judges, lawyers, etc.). They simply weren't having it and they decided that Avery wasn't going to take them down after all they'd done to put him away the first time. At this point, the gloves are off and all options are a possibility.

Halbach walked into a perfect scenario for the cops, unfortunately. Officers could've easily gained access to her after she left Avery's house by pulling her over. And this could've easily been done without anyone seeing as the area is very rural. They take her out, stage the RAV4 with Avery's blood and put it in their salvage yard. Same with the bone fragments. They staged everything they initially could and then planted the rest after gaining access to Avery's home.

Think about it--NOBODY would dare question cops. So there's no worries about a crime scene being discovered. There's no worry about scrubbing all traces of evidence because it could be in plain view and nobody would think to swab a cop car for DNA or something like that. Why would anyone accuse a cop when you have this outcast Avery already being fingered as the suspect? They went right to his salvage yard, making him a suspect from the jump. They knew exactly what they were doing.

I don't think that ALL law enforcement was involved in this. But if you think about the key players--Lenk and Coburn--they had risen to higher rankings in the unit. They knew they could use that power to get their underlings to unknowingly help them accomplish their task. They used the unwritten police code of deferring to senior officers to push their narrative of what happened AND gain access to the Avery property in order to help physically craft that story.

I'm rambling now, but I have a million more thoughts about this damn case. :lol: I may have to watch it again.....
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This.

I asked myself the same thing about the cops going out of their way to paint the picture that Avery murdered Halbach. It may sound dumb because my theory is based off a fictional tv show. But watching the first few seasons of the wire, when the detectives would often go out of their way by making up fictitious stories all for the sake of closing a case and getting their numbers up. I wouldn't put it past any law enforcement to do the same thing. If law enforcement NEVER cut corners and focused on getting it right, cases would never get closed imo.
 
When they used a warrant to kick them off of their property for 8 days, it was pretty apparent what was going down.

The head investigator tried to say it was "far fetched" that they could plant that type of evidence.

What does he think we are, stupid.
You can build an entire house in 8 days, burning a body and staging a vehicle for a crime scene can be done over night. It just took these idiots 8 days to formulate a plan and seeing how they literally have no checks and balances and as dude ^^ said, the case begins and ends in Monitawak Co so, they have the say so in any and every thing.

The set up is so evident, it's how they are being allowed to operate and get away with it that I question, it can only be described as Mind Blowing
 
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Bruh, this dude Brendan. I feel sorry for him but at the same time, I'm so frustrated with his lack of clarity on anything. It's sad that the lack of education caused this dude to ruin his life.. not sure if he's Edward Norton from Primal Fear or just really that easily manipulated by everything and everyone. :smh:
 
^ I think it's more than just being uneducated--dude is legit "slow".  Buddy was talking about Wrestlemania from jail man....dude had zero clue the depth of what was happening.  

Now, his mother is uneducated.  Not knowing what inconsistent means at her age is sad as hell.  
 
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^ I think it's more than just being uneducated--dude is legit "slow".  Buddy was talking about Wrestlemania from jail man....dude had zero clue the depth of what was happening.  

Now, his mother is uneducated.  Not knowing what inconsistent means at her age is sad as hell.  
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Yeah. Brendan is a slow kid. Still baffled at how the detectives got away with coercing him into a confession. Dude didn't say sht but "yeah", when pressured :smh:. He also had a scumbag lawyer. Dude was the absolute worst. Threatening Brenden and not having his best interest. The County was really trying to bring down the Avery's. Internally and externally.

And I was legit heated at how Lenk and them found the "bullet" after his March 1 & 2 visits which he OBVIOUSLY planted. The only dna link to Teresa being in the house. F'n detectives told the forensics lady to "put her in his house or garage"......how is that NOT obvious. Combined with the fact that...that was the only DNA link in the whole damn house for somebody that was supposedly murdered there. :smh:.

Like somebody said earlier, Steven was being watched....and the police found the right time and place to put blood on his hands. Lying thru their teeth. Downright Devils. The prosecutor was the worst though. Downright liar. Teresa's brother is suspicious as hell. This dude is so adamant that Steven is the killer...he won't even take into account other evidence. He knows something.

When Steven said, "Poor people always lose", it hit the feels mane.
 
I want to see the Halbachs family reaction to this documentary. Something has to be done to follow up this doc, right? :frown:
 
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