Is it safe to say the market has finally adjusted and the Jordan bubble has burst?

toughmoney said:
Keep em coming. More Jordan retros on discount like back then.

Nike not going to slow down until their $ and stock see a deep enough decline.
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With the price raised, Nike can discount to the 'old retail' and still make higher profits by going direct to the consumer which is a huge strategy for them to grow vs. through a retail partner. Retailers like FA, Finishline, Eastbay, etc pay about half the retail to Nike which is the 'wholesale price'. Point of all this is Nike will be fine.
 
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Drew said:
Just my opinion of course. :wow:


only issue with the Yeezys is you need a generation to want to be like Kayne, so kids better start grabbing their mics. Jordan, and now Lebron and others already have that. Not sure how a casual shoe does after the artists followers grow up.
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jmitch25 said:
 
For some reason these threads piss me off.....1 min everybody wants jb to produce more shoes so they can be a easy cop but as soon as that starts to happen jb is dying! lolol!! I got so use to sitting in front of my laptop I forgot what it was like to go in to stores and see a few jays sitting....I love it! For me the bubble will never burst. 
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It's great for people who want to cop to wear. For people who want to wear exclusive products or resale, it's the end of life as they know it 
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I think the hype bubble for jordan shoes did not burst yet but i think we are witnessing a decline in demand. This has multiple factors :
1. Price increase from 150 to 190/220 for air jordans (other jordan brand shoes not included)
2. Too many releases of Jordan retros and other casual jordan shoes in too short time
3. The hype started with the AJ11 concords retro in 2011. It's been 4 years and no hype lasts forever
4. Many consumers purchased enough pairs in the recent years. Question of storage and budget issue cannot be ignored. Majority of jordan brand consumers are not hardcore collectors like many of us here
 
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jumpman cbt2 said:
I think the hype bubble for jordan shoes did not burst yet but i think we are witnessing a decline in demand. This has multiple factors :
1. Price increase from 150 to 190/220 for air jordans (other jordan brand shoes not included)
2. Too many releases of Jordan retros and other casual jordan shoes in too short time
3. The hype started with the AJ11 concords retro in 2011. It's been 4 years and no hype lasts forever
4. Many consumers purchased enough pairs in the recent years. Question of storage and budget issue cannot be ignored. Majority of jordan brand consumers are hardcore collectors like many of us here
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dude is 100% correct

biggest mistake not sales wise but brand wise nike didnt re-sign kanye west

its not good for the brand of nike/jordan for adidas right now making leads in this business right now

even if nike outsells everyone else in the sneaker market its a big fail in the eyes of the 18-24 demographic
(i'm guessing thats most of you)

nike/air jordan's now look less appealing

social media is not asking for nike's or jordan's in the past year they want adidas yeezys

also the price increase and too many retro release's week after week is making people like myself pass on releases
but its not going to faze nike now or in the long run

its just going to play second fiddle to a company up till 2 years ago had nothing

the resale side is not over but its not the same only a few current jordan releases now are money makers
as long as the older stuff is not re-retroed the older shoes will hold their value unless the hobby ends up like beanie babies and its a good chance it could happen

i'm glad as a buyer of jordan's the shoes are a little easier to get but not all
 
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air4life said:
Nike wants to double Jordan brand sales by 2020. They aren't taking their foot off that gas for a long time.
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It makes me wonder if Nike will ever put a retro model on Nike ID... They could very well try it with an unpopular model like the AJ 2.
 
I think many of you guys have a wrong idea of Jordan Brands expectations. I don´t think they care if a few retros sit on shelves for a while for once in 5 or so years. That should be the norm anyways. We sneakerheads who eat up releases in the first 30 minutes are a niche market, it´s not like they are going bankrupt if by some chance the cement 4s won´t sell at all. Still plenty of Flights and Eclypses being sold every single day and they are always on shelves.
 
CityCity said:
I think many of you guys have a wrong idea of Jordan Brands expectations. I don´t think they care if a few retros sit on shelves for a while for once in 5 or so years. That should be the norm anyways. We sneakerheads who eat up releases in the first 30 minutes are a niche market, it´s not like they are going bankrupt if by some chance the cement 4s won´t sell at all. Still plenty of Flights and Eclypses being sold every single day and they are always on shelves.
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This.
Jordan brand actually sells many non air jordan line kicks and apparels. Most kids and teens wearing jordans are not from the air jordan (retro ) line but rather casual jordan kicks.
 
toughmoney said:
Nike stock still declining :nerd: Still better than last year tho
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Dude have you looked at the entire stock market? Nikes forward pe is okay, their current pe and smaller than some dividends have scared people.

I keep waiting for under armor to drop into the $40's.... Their stock is Amazon high right now.

Nike is a cash machine.
Buy aapl, f, and energy stocks in 3 months. Should be bottomed out by then. Then you can watch aapl and f climb to say 18 P/E ratio prices and sell.
 
The Jordan 1 alpha was on id. Shoe was a great concept, just poorly executed.

They should've used alpha project aka Jason Petries design.
 
BigLefty23 said:
Dude have you looked at the entire stock market? Nikes forward pe is okay, their current pe and smaller than some dividends have scared people.

I keep waiting for under armor to drop into the $40's.... Their stock is Amazon high right now.

Nike is a cash machine.
Buy aapl, f, and energy stocks in 3 months. Should be bottomed out by then. Then you can watch aapl and f climb to say 18 P/E ratio prices and sell.
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When Iran sanctions come down could add to glut of over supply, plus China slow down. No need to jump into energy, and calling a bottom is bad strategy, waiting for stochastics and then smas to reverse trend is much better.

Aapl product line has it's customers all in with stickers on their cars and tons of cash, but with an election year, China drama, etc....

F and autos a hot sector thanks to low rates and low gas prices.
As always, the trend is your friend!
 
^ Repped. Iran sanctions have already dropped the price of a barrel.

I totally 100% agree on not trying to catch bottoms of markets. However I do like to play the commodities markets with this strategy, predict a bottom based on your data, even if it drops further, continue to hold knowing it will come back up. I think in the coming months (maybe not 3), energy prices will be so insanely low due to emotions/oversupply. Eventually you can find irrational prices.

It'll just be like buying banks after the bailout in 2008. I know a lot of people who bought BAC around 3 and made 6x, USB and made 4x.
It's all about being willing to lose in the short term so you don't miss the bottom.

But I'm sure we're confusing people. Back to shoes...

Jordan Brand will continue to print revenue and so will Nike.
Everything will be retro'd. I'm waiting for the 1st Series SB's.
 
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