R.I.P. David Bowie

CashBanks said:
A pass? a pass for what?

What us? I ain't selling **** short.

I said I understand how a black person would not know who he is, as I know several who don't nor care to.

I'm not making an excuse for **** as I know don't see knowing who he is as any sort of accomplishment.

You apparently hold this dude in a higher esteem than I and many I know do so I'll just take it as you and I having a different perspective on him, but blood ain't been no staple of black culture for me growing up.

you cool in my book tho.
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Respect.
 
I was in love with the Goblin King my whole childhood!! Dance magic dance! :frown: So sad.
 
Man, get this clown *** dude outta here. 
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Some really famous white person dies, Googles said white person, feigns outrage at the sketchy stuff from his past all while ignoring all the good things he did/said AFTER that time in his life.

You didn't care enough about Bowie before he died, but now all of a sudden you're trying to bring to light his past?  

Your fake outrage is what's wrong with this internet/social media generation.  Dudes browse the internet for 10 minutes and think they know all the details of someone's life and get their preach on.  That's some corny ***, clown ****.  Go away.  
 
originally all i did was ask the question

i was then told i HAD to provide information

so when i do now its "oh that was all in the past"

im not even outraged, yall are the ones mad that i brought it out

and whats wrong with this generation is so quick to overlook someones wrongs just because you enjoy their entertainment
 
Hand2HandKing said:
originally all i did was ask the question

i was then told i HAD to provide information

so when i do now its "oh that was all in the past"

im not even outraged, yall are the ones mad that i brought it out

and whats wrong with this generation is so quick to overlook someones wrongs just because you enjoy their entertainment
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You're supposedly not outraged, but you have no issue with your Natalie Cole false equivalency claim.

Go paint your face.
 
that was an observation

here this alleged child molester, drug addict, fascist is being honored and natalie cole thread has 4 posts in the music forum

that doesnt equal outrage
 
Hand2HandKing said:
originally all i did was ask the question

i was then told i HAD to provide information

so when i do now its "oh that was all in the past"

im not even outraged, yall are the ones mad that i brought it out

and whats wrong with this generation is so quick to overlook someones wrongs just because you enjoy their entertainment
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Here. I'll provide some information since you didn't seem to read my post above. I forgot all you are good for is copy and pasting lengthy articles, bolding a few sentences, then asking, "thoughts?"

It has been well-documented that Bowie was intrigued by Nazi imagery in the coke-addled period following Young Americans. He’d been introduced to German history by British writer Christopher Isherwood, whom Bowie had met after a concert in Los Angeles in 1974. It was two years before he actually moved to West Berlin—following an intensely dark period where he created his cold “Thin White Duke” persona, was terribly addicted to cocaine, flirting with the occult, surviving on red peppers and milk, and making bizarre claims in the press about Hitler and how fascism could help Britain. He was detained in Poland for traveling with Nazi paraphernalia. And in 1976 came the infamous “Victoria Station incident” when Bowie was pictured giving what appeared to be a Nazi salute—a claim he consistently denied.

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His time in West Berlin seemed to turn him against fascism. His mythologizing of the city had been tied to his romanticizing of “old Europe,” born of disillusionment with America and with standard rock music. Bowie later blamed his Nazi fetish on drugs and “crazed” quotes, and it could be argued that he was more into the indulgences of fascism than the ideology; but his image change coincided with the rise of extreme right hate groups in England, and both he and Eric Clapton (who delivered a notoriously racist rant at a Birmingham concert in 1976, the same year as Bowie’s infamous salute) were name-dropped by those who’d organized Rock Against Racism as reasons for the organization’s inception.

But Bowie-as-racist seemed to contradict so much of who he’d been previously and where he would go in the coming decade. After all, from 1974-1978, Bowie was involved romantically with Motown singer Ava Cherry, aka Black Barbarella. Some of his problematic behavior was blamed on drugs, some on the “Thin White Duke” persona he’d adopted. During his final days in Berlin, the singer had seen his name sprayed on a wall (some have suggested it was the Berlin Wall, but that wasn’t confirmed) and the last two letters were framed in a swastika. It disturbed him to see himself linked so explicitly to Nazism and any appeal the imagery had became troubling. Dabbling in the darkness was not going to be his approach going forward, and references to fascism and the occult disappeared from his persona altogether. By 1979, Bowie had dropped the Duke image and referred to it as “a nasty character for me.” By the early 1980s, he was clean, divorced (from his first wife, Angie), and healthy.
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No one is overlooking any wrongs. Other than having a fascination with Nazis/fascism, which he later realized himself was wrong, what else are we overlooking?
 
Hand2HandKing said:
that was an observation

here this alleged child molester, drug addict, fascist is being honored and natalie cole thread has 4 posts in the music forum

that doesnt equal outrage
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The hypocrisy of slandering a musician for being a "drug addict" when you have The-Weekend in your avy. Get a life man.

Who has ever had a problem with a musician using drugs? That's the status quo. So since he has been proven not be racist (actually he's been proven to be the opposite) now you are slandering him in other ways?
 
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Hand2HandKing said:
i didnt have to google anything

dont get mad at me cuz it is what it is

when people die all sorts of things about them come out to light

im sorry i didnt make the david bowie exposure thread while he was still alive, i guess then itd be different somehow

im jus sayin if this is a remembrance then remember the man too not just the music
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:smh: :smh: :smh:
superblyTRIFE said:
Man, get this clown *** dude outta here. :lol:

Some really famous white person dies, Googles said white person, feigns outrage at the sketchy stuff from his past all while ignoring all the good things he did/said AFTER that time in his life.

You didn't care enough about Bowie before he died, but now all of a sudden you're trying to bring to light his past?  

Your fake outrage is what's wrong with this internet/social media generation.  Dudes browse the internet for 10 minutes and think they know all the details of someone's life and get their preach on.  That's some corny ***, clown ****.  Go away.  
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:smokin :smokin well said
JJs07 said:
You're supposedly not outraged, but you have no issue with your Natalie Cole false equivalency claim.

Go paint your face.
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:smokin :smokin
Hennessy said:
The hypocrisy of slandering a musician for being a "drug addict" when you have The-Weekend in your avy. Get a life man.

Who has ever had a problem with a musician using drugs? That's the status quo. So since he has been proven not be racist (actually he's been proven to be the opposite) now you are slandering him in other ways?
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Fam bugging now :smh:
 
superblyTRIFE said:
 
Man, get this clown *** dude outta here. 
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Some really famous white person dies, Googles said white person, feigns outrage at the sketchy stuff from his past all while ignoring all the good things he did/said AFTER that time in his life.

You didn't care enough about Bowie before he died, but now all of a sudden you're trying to bring to light his past?  

Your fake outrage is what's wrong with this internet/social media generation.  Dudes browse the internet for 10 minutes and think they know all the details of someone's life and get their preach on.  That's some corny ***, clown ****.  Go away.  
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Of course, of those 4 posts in the Natalie Cole thread, his wasn't one of them. Just an observation.

There can be an honest and interesting conversation about how you handle the negative aspects of a celebrity/musician/actor/etc's life after they die. In general, it's important not to overlook or ignore the dark parts of someone's life (if they have any) just because of their contributions to the arts, history, politics, and so on. Just because someone made great music, doesn't make them a great person. I think it could be a quality topic in how much you hold that against their legacy.. or how you can separate the art from the artist. 

Having said that, Hand2Hand is not  the person to be leading that charge. His M.O. is plain as day and at this point, any potential contributions or discussions he could bring up would be lost in his poor attempts at "starting a conversation" which is really just strawman arguments, moving the goal posts, biased, trolling. There's no point in entertaining him, you're not going to get any kind of understanding or compromise, you're simply feeding the troll.
 
Big J 33 said:
Of course, of those 4 posts in the Natalie Cole thread, his wasn't one of them. Just an observation.

There can be an honest and interesting conversation about how you handle the negative aspects of a celebrity/musician/actor/etc's life after they die. In general, it's important not to overlook or ignore the dark parts of someone's life (if they have any) just because of their contributions to the arts, history, politics, and so on. Just because someone made great music, doesn't make them a great person. I think it could be a quality topic in how much you hold that against their legacy.. or how you can separate the art from the artist. 

Having said that, Hand2Hand is not the person to be leading that charge. His M.O. is plain as day and at this point, any potential contributions or discussions he could bring up would be lost in his poor attempts at "starting a conversation" which is really just strawman arguments, moving the goal posts, biased, trolling. There's no point in entertaining him, you're not going to get any kind of understanding or compromise, you're simply feeding the troll.
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That would be a fantastic topic, Big J.
 
of course say something contrary to popular opinion and youre trolling

how is it im using drugs against him when he himself in the quote you posted said drugs is the "reason" he was saying all that stuff?

im pretty sure weeknd does drugs but i dont think its ever made him say anything crazy politically

oh no i didnt cross all my t's by posting in natalie cole thread b4 posting in here 
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how dare i bring it up if i didnt post in that thread

talking about shifting the goalposts and being biased but also expecting understanding & compromise (i.e. acquiescence) 
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Big J 33 said:
Of course, of those 4 posts in the Natalie Cole thread, his wasn't one of them. Just an observation.

There can be an honest and interesting conversation about how you handle the negative aspects of a celebrity/musician/actor/etc's life after they die. In general, it's important not to overlook or ignore the dark parts of someone's life (if they have any) just because of their contributions to the arts, history, politics, and so on. Just because someone made great music, doesn't make them a great person. I think it could be a quality topic in how much you hold that against their legacy.. or how you can separate the art from the artist. 

Having said that, Hand2Hand is not the person to be leading that charge. His M.O. is plain as day and at this point, any potential contributions or discussions he could bring up would be lost in his poor attempts at "starting a conversation" which is really just strawman arguments, moving the goal posts, biased, trolling. There's no point in entertaining him, you're not going to get any kind of understanding or compromise, you're simply feeding the troll.
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True. Done entertaining that clown.
 
you were only entertaining yourself

bowie still a pedo, drug addled fascist after you done defending him
 
The lack of posts in the Natalie Cole thread really has a lot to do with where the thread's located.

No offense to my music section regulars but the music section been dead in the eyes of everyone else.
 
I hope this clown has the same fake outrage when Prince dies. Or is he too whitewashed?

This clown actually came to the conclusion that the Natalie Cole thread didn't get that many replies because of the color of her skin. :rofl:

If you aint trollin then you are the very definition of SJWs. Fighting for a cause you gave no ***** about 4 days ago :smh:

Go back under your bridge...
 
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