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Poll Results: Trading Collins: Good Move??

 
  • 7% (1)
    Yes - and the return is fair
  • 46% (6)
    Yes - but the return is low
  • 30% (4)
    No
  • 15% (2)
    F$%# Collins
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was a pretty solid season, all things considered. team dealt with a ton of injuries and still made it to the AFCCG. but it's time to start looking at gearing up for the next year and filling holes and strengthening this roster.

list of our FA's:






post up your thoughts on the season, areas we need to address in the draft/FA, players you'd like to see go/stay/come, etc. etc.
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of that FA list, the guy's i'd like back:

James Develin - our running game really lacked that "power" feel. once he went down...we had no ability to bang out short yardage plays on the ground when we had to have them. he's key for our run game

Ebner and King - key special teams guys. Slater can't do it alone. these guys are pretty crucial for us there

Wendell - we felt his loss pretty heavily this year. good veteran presence on the line when he's healthy.

those are the must haves for me. i'm sure guys like Rufus Johnson, Tyms, Gibson, Fletcher will get heavy consideration as well
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Current contract situation....

Signed through 2015 (FA's at the end of this year):
LeGarrette Blount
Josh Boyce (ERFA)
Tarell Brown
Justin Coleman (ERFA)
James Develin (RFA)
Nate Ebner
Cameron Fleming (ERFA)
Dane Fletcher
Brandon Gibson
Akiem Hicks
Steven Jackson
Rufus Johnson (ERFA)
Brandon King (ERFA)
Sealver Siliga
Brian Tyms (RFA)
LaAdrian Waddle (RFA)
Dekoda Watson
Tavon Wilson
Ryan Wendell

Practice Squad (eligible to sign future contracts):
Montee Ball
Chris Barker
DeAndre Carter
Joey Iosefa
Rashaan Melvin
Keavon Milton
Cedric Thompson
Brock Vereen
J.J. Worton

Signed through 2016:
Brandon Bolden
Jon Bostic
Alan Branch
Malcolm Butler (RFA)
Marcus Cannon
Scott Chandler
Jamie Collins
Aaron Dobson
Darius Fleming
Jonathan Freeny
Duron Harmon
Chris Harper
Dont'a Hightower
Kevin Hughes
Leonard Johnson
Chandler Jones
Chris Jones
Ishmaa’ily Kitchen
Brandon LaFell
Eric Martin
Keshawn Martin
Rob Ninkovich
Logan Ryan
Jabaal Sheard
Matthew Slater
Kevin Snyder
Sebastian Vollmer
Michael Williams

Signed through 2017:
Danny Amendola
David Andrews (RFA)
Tom Brady
Patrick Chung
Dominique Easley (team option for 2018)
Julian Edelman
Tyler Gaffney
Jimmy Garoppolo
Josh Kline
Dion Lewis
Jerod Mayo (team options after 2015, 2016)
Nate Solder
Bryan Stork
James White

Signed through 2018:
Ryan Allen
Malcom Brown (team option for 2019)
Joe Cardona
A.J. Derby
Trey Flowers
Stephen Gostkowski
Geneo Grissom
Tre’ Jackson
Shaq Mason
Jordan Richards
Darryl Roberts

Signed through 2019:
Rob Gronkowski (Patriots must pick up the final $6 million of his $10 million bonus this offseason)
Devin McCourty
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In for a long off season. I work in SF, i wish it was the pats instead of the broncos, but that is life. looking forward to next year.
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New York Yankees | New York Jets
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While most Patriots are heading off to rest and recover, Joe Cardona will resume his fulltime job with the Navy in a few days.

Jeff Howe ‏@jeffphowe 14m14 minutes ago
Cardona is an ensign in the Navy. He'll eventually report to the USS Zumwalt DDG-1000 in Maine to work fulltime throughout the offseason.

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he'll be back for next season
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TL;DL = Disappointing loss, still a great season overall and looking forward to next season.

I'll start with my thoughts on the season:

As already pointed out, 2015 really felt like the tale of two seasons; the 10-0 run and then the 2-4 finish. Injuries hit this team hard, but they were still able to get to the AFCCG. The losses to Philadelphia and Miami ended up being huge and while injuries had a lot to do with those games, both were very winnable and I think BB deserves some criticism for how those games played out. I give Denver all the credit in the world for how they played and getting that W, but in Foxboro, I feel like the game plays out a little differently. Their pass rush and our offensive line would have still been an issue, but home field advantage makes a difference in games like that.

After winning last year's Super Bowl, especially with Trent Dilfer's, "They just aren't good anymore." line and the controversy that arose from the Colts game, it was awesome to see another great season from Brady. Most didn't expect to see a falloff, but for him to look as good as ever was awesome; we need to enjoy these last few years and not take it for granted.

I don't think that this loss hurts Brady's overall legacy or puts Peyton ahead of Brady in the grand scheme of things. Yes, Brady threw two interceptions yesterday, but those last plays to convert on 4th down to Gronk and then again with the TD to Gronk to bring them within a two point conversion of tying the game just goes to show how much fight this dude has. That's my QB.

The growth of Malcolm Butler has been a joy to see. We lost our top 4 CBs and roll out Butler as our starting CB and he stepped up to the challenge and developed into a legit CB and a Pro Bowl CB at that. This dude doesn't ever give up and comes back scrapping even after giving up a long pass. He's usually always in position, but his height seems to be a problem vs. taller/longer WRs sometimes. He gets another off season to develop now and I'm excited to see where his game goes from here.

Collins & Hightower are beasts and we need to lock them up long term. They were both such huge parts of the success of this defense. While Collins did get burnt on a couple of plays yesterday, he still had the two sacks and 8 total tackles; it seemed like he was a part of any play that ended up getting stuffed or a for a loss.

Chandler Jones only gets half a bar...Nah, but he was ghost from yesterday's game and that's a problem. I've seen you call him out DSA and he rarely steps up and answers that call. He has a ton of talent, but I'd like to see some more consistency out of him.

I'm still taking Gostkowski for a game winning or game tying FG any game of the week.

Is Dion Lewis coming back? If so, do we need to add some depth behind him or roll him and Blount out there again? It seemed like that duo worked just fine during the 10-0 run and I saw people mentioning that our lack of a run game hurt us vs. Denver's pass rush. Lewis vs. those LBs would have been interesting to see.

Is Logan Ryan our full time 2nd CB and if so, who are we putting behind him and Butler?

Offensive line sick.gifmean.gif This needs to be addressed immediately IMO. Cannon might as not have even been out there. I understand that Vollmer has been playing out of position due to injuries, but he was getting torched as well.

I think WR should be addressed, but I don't know what BB will do there. I don't think he's bringing in a big name and he's not going to overpay for anyone, which is good, but LaFell wasn't cutting it this year. If he was dealing with injuries, that's fine, but I feel like they need one more big WR out there.

Overall, anything short of a Super Bowl win is always disappointing, but I'll take this L, be proud of what was accomplished, be optimistic that this squad is only going to get better, prepare for whatever Goodell has in store to slander this team and move on to 2016.
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^ good stuff, @mikejs210


totally agree on Butler, Hightower, and Collins. add in McCourty and that's a great core to build around. Malcolm Brown had a very good year in the middle of the DL. lot to be excited about as these guys all got another year under their belts. we really need to get that DOMINANT edge rusher. Jones and Sheard both had their moments, like you said, not consistent enough. especially Chandler.


Dion Lewis will for sure be back. he's signed and will definitely be in the mix. i'm actually OK parting ways with Blount unless he comes really cheap. he's nice to have and all, and maybe this is me focusing on his work post-Develin injury, but i felt like he just wasted too many downs running right into the back our worthless run blocking OL. not all his fault for sure, but if we have to pay him a fair amount, rather find someone with a little more explosiveness. i really do miss Ridley...loved how he ran for us. wish he could control his fumblitis though.
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Dion Lewis would have made those catches deep yesterday. Another one that hurts? Vereen. He was a beast playing as a pass catching RB, we really missed him.

I wouldn't be surprised if they made a run at Calvin Johnson if he became available. Could be another Moss-type rebirth.
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Wow definitely didn't expect this eek.gifeek.gif
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#Patriots are parting ways with offensive line coach Dave DeGuglielmo, sources say. One day after Tom Brady took a record number of hits

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Dion Lewis would have made those catches deep yesterday. Another one that hurts? Vereen. He was a beast playing as a pass catching RB, we really missed him.

I wouldn't be surprised if they made a run at Calvin Johnson if he became available. Could be another Moss-type rebirth.

A healthy Lewis was even better and offered more than Vereen did imo. His loss can't be understated,James White ain't it laugh.gif.

Also hope you're right about Megatron or another WR like that like Fitz. Getting a legit no.1 like that would open up so many different options on offense instead of always having to rely on Jules,Dola and Gronk which can get taxing on them healthwise over the course of the season.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they made a run at Calvin Johnson if he became available. Could be another Moss-type rebirth.

i would be surprised if Bill's cheap *** made a serious play for CJ81 laugh.gif

don't get me wrong, i wouldn't mind it. but i just don't see Bill opening the wallet for it. same with any of the top WRs on the market. they'll bring in a solid #2 or #3 guy most likely. and that guy will probably get cut during training camp roll.gif




as for the tubbo coach we cut loose today, good riddance. dude was a bum anyway. get a real OL coach in there.
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I saw Mohammed Sanu's name get brought up.
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^ yeah that's the type of player i expect them to chase laugh.gif


i'd rather bank on JoJo coming back strong and drafting a WR and/or TE, to be honest
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I'm a Sanu fan,that'd be a good fit.

Also wouldn't mind taking a shot at Harvin if he ends up getting cut by Buffalo nerd.gif
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^ yeah that's the type of player i expect them to chase laugh.gif


i'd rather bank on JoJo coming back strong and drafting a WR and/or TE, to be honest

This makes me get even more pissed about not taking advantage of 2 of the deepest drafts at WR in recent memory...laugh.gifmad.gif
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This makes me get even more pissed about not taking advantage of 2 of the deepest drafts at WR in recent memory...laugh.gif :@

seriously, man. so much talent we just ignored mean.gif
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This makes me get even more pissed about not taking advantage of 2 of the deepest drafts at WR in recent memory...laugh.gif :@

seriously, man. so much talent we just ignored mean.gif

It especially hurts when I see Seattle and Minny getting studs like Lockett and Diggs in the 3rd and 5th rounds last year sick.gif,imagine a talented young WR added to this offense...
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damn...that makes me feel like **** when i think about guys like lockett and digs laugh.gif
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Why do they throw Dion Lewis out there essentially on WR routes? Just keep him in that Sproles role laugh.gif .
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Why do they throw Dion Lewis out there essentially on WR routes? Just keep him in that Sproles role laugh.gif .

I think in general, when they spread White, Bolden or Lewis out wide, it's to try to get a match-up vs. a linebacker which they view as favorable. I believe Brady targeted James White 16 times vs. Denver sick.gif and a few of those were long passes that weren't close to being completed including one INT. It seemed like White's 1 route that worked was a slant across the middle.
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We seriously need a vertical threat to stretch the field. I love the idea of quick throws and releasing the ball fast, but at some point you have the keep the defense honest.

Gronk is essentially our only deep threat, which wont work long term.
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We seriously need a vertical threat to stretch the field. I love the idea of quick throws and releasing the ball fast, but at some point you have the keep the defense honest.

Gronk is essentially our only deep threat, which wont work long term.

 

was thinking about this yesterday...

 

what if we went after another playmaking TE. like when we had Gronk and Hernandez. Brady had a field day with those two guys

 

i know we got chandler and i kind of got excited at the notion i imagined above, but i dunno if hes just not that guy or they didnt use him that way.

 

imagine having gronk and like a Kelce or Jimmy Graham. sounds like a fantasy i know but it was pretty much a reality when we had Hernandez 

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January 24, 2016


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Tom Brady to Rob Gronkowski on 4th and 10 with the game on the line - pic.twitter.com/S9vK3mQmg7

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ugh so depressing that they made that play and the following 4th down TD and still didnt win...:{

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The Patriots have been happy to learn of Scarnecchia's wishes to come out of retirement, and a deal is very likely, per source.

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We need to establish a consistent running game to get hits off of Brady. I think Brady's days of dominating a game are over, the offense needs to evolve. Hard running? maybe get a 2nd dynamic tight end again?
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We need to establish a consistent running game to get hits off of Brady. I think Brady's days of dominating a game are over, the offense needs to evolve. Hard running? maybe get a 2nd dynamic tight end again?

i dunno. i know my rep on this board is the biggest brady homer around, but i don't think he showed us anything that points to him not being able to be dominant. him getting planted 20+ times against Denver isn't because he's fallen off. he's fine when he's upright.

that said, a running game would DEFINITELY help. but i don't think we move to a power running game. we were 100% fine with dion lewis back there scampering around. our huge flaw this year was OL. it needs to be fixed...mostly from a talent standpoint and somewhat from a coaching standpoint. they had WAY too many combinations in there this year, out of necessity, i know. need to stabilize it and get healthy. we better draft that position and not miss. no more marcus cannons.

and some help at WR/TE wouldn't hurt either.
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Yea I don't think he's running out of gas soon either,he just led the league in TD'S again with little to no ground game...

Obviously it'd be ideal if we had a decent run game next year but he's definitely shown that he can still throw it 40-50 times a game and win.

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