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Again, the testimony is just HIS version of the events. It's not the indisputable word of god. Nobody should be using it as some sort of facts factory. It's not.
Birth of a Nation sounds INSANE. vol. Nat Turner Slave Rebellion Movie (Teaser Trailer - p. 5)
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Yeah they dug pretty far huh.Mannnnn, no one saw this coming when he sold the movie to Fox?I didn't know it would be rape, but I knew it would be something.
They dug til they found something. Being famous is a gift and a curse.
Not really. This has been on his wiki for years. Its been brought up in articles before when he was doing The Great Debaters.
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I haven't read much of the evidence...
But a young black college (read: broke) dude is accused of rape by a young white women and gets acquitted??
There has to be a substantial amount of evidence for that to happen.
Like, a STRONG has defense.
But a young black college (read: broke) dude is accused of rape by a young white women and gets acquitted??
There has to be a substantial amount of evidence for that to happen.
Like, a STRONG has defense.
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You guys are some weird dudes.
I couldn't tell her level of intoxication = she wasn't drunk?
you believe the testimony when he says he wasn't drunk, but you don't belive him when he says she was motionless?
having sex with a women who he appeared to be motionless means he saw them having consensual sex?
okay buddy.
That's not even my point, i'm no here to re litigate Nate Parkers case,
I'm telling you he put himself in a grey situation and is now subject to the whims of other people interpretation. The price he's paying is fair.
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Naw, I'm still not convinced that a sexual assault took place. It has not been established that she was incapacitated at all. I feel bad that this young woman took her own life. But so far its just a bunch of accusations.
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I gotta apologize for being a hypocrite, I posted without reading FULL testimony OSH KOSH linked us too...I said it was 2 against 2, when actually it's 3 against 1. The Kangas dudes testimony gives more credence to the idea that she was down for whatever, she only had one drink which they didn't give her, she didn't appear to be intoxicated, she wasn't unconscious, and made no yells, screams or crys for help that would indicate she didn't want to be there.
Let's get back to the movie man [emoji]128514[/emoji] it's nothing more to discuss about this witch hunt
Let's get back to the movie man [emoji]128514[/emoji] it's nothing more to discuss about this witch hunt
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Meh, he was on the wrestling team if I'm not mistaken.......but then again, this was in Sate College, which isn't the most minority friendly campus......unless you're playing a sport.
Obviously something went down and only the 3 of them and a higher power actually knows.
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If you're found innocent, are you a rapist?
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I've seen way too many instances where black men are thrown behind bars for practically all their life based on false rape accusations. So yall will have to forgive me if I don't believe every time a woman calls rape. I need to be sure beyond a shadow of doubt before I join any pitchfork mob.
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Just not a legal rapist
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Ah back to this. What's beyond a shadow of doubt to you? A video of the assault? How do we prove someone was raped?
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He didn't say she was motionless, he said he didn't see her moving at the time in a dark room, he also said her legs were in the air while Parker motioned for them to come in the room with his left hand...So how were both of her legs up if she's unconscious and Parker isn't holding them up?
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um.....a rape kit! Check for brusing and wounds! DNA testing!
And furthermore I don't like your line of thinking. Because every man is guilty until proved innocent in your eyes. That's a dangerous mindset to have. Because essentially any woman can claim rape on any man they feel like. And that man's rep is tarnished forever. Otherwise why have a court of law if no matter the outcome that person will always be guilty to you
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Because it's a race movie that paints whites in the most heinous of lights possible. Those other two movies were during the segregation period, which probably isn't considered as bad as the time of slavery.
Both those movies were race related, albeit a lesser degree.
qhoops my writing was bad,
1. I did not mean to imply the it was a "fact" the idea that she commited suicide becuase of Nate's actions.
I'm saying that he had sex with a women under dubious circumstances and it looks very bad. and her suicide makes it looks worse, criticsm and dissection should be expected and is competently warranted.
2. Obviously women shouldn't have sex with drunk when either but
a. were talking about nate a man
b. women don't have the power over power drunk men into having sex. so avoiding a rape charge and not having sex with drunk women looms larger for man.
AGAIN
I did not paint him as a sinister anything, in fact i said the EXACT opposite.
I can totally believe that Nate was a young dude who was driking and didn't have and didn't really understand the importance of concent and then did something he shouldn't have.
Dat dere back peddle.
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A rape kit tells us nothing besides sex occurred. Not every rape involves bruising or wounds. So again, what proves rape without a shadow of a doubt to you? I don't like your line of thinking. Leave it up to you there would be a lot more rapists free.
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if george
when he saw her she did not move...she was without motion...uh motionless seems like a good adjective.
and if you can't figure out how a woman legs could be up and you could motion with one hand, I can't help you.
all of this is besides the point . he's still taking a fair L.
all of this was handled so bad.
when he saw her she did not move...she was without motion...uh motionless seems like a good adjective.
and if you can't figure out how a woman legs could be up and you could motion with one hand, I can't help you.
all of this is besides the point . he's still taking a fair L.
all of this was handled so bad.
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Because it's a race movie that paints whites in the most heinous of lights possible. Those other two movies were during the segregation period, which probably isn't considered as bad as the time of slavery.
Both those movies were race related, albeit a lesser degree.
Dat dere back peddle.
dat dere lack of reading comprehension.
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Because I want the justice system to work? Because I actually want people to be proven guilty in a court of law before I convict them in the court of public opinion?
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Are you going to say how to prove rape without a shadow of a doubt? Or is seeing a hickey on a women's thigh enough for you?
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Being motionless is not the same as not seeing somebody move in a dark room ...If I say something to you in a loud room and you don't hear me does that mean I didn't say anything? No, you just didn't hear what I said.
And I can figure out how her legs were in the air while he motioned with one hand...She was holding them up herself or with very little assistance.
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What? How else are rapes proven? I just told you how. DNA evidence. Or is someone's sole testimony enough for you?
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Instead of name calling and back and forth (that has little to do with the film itself), we can talk intelligibly.
For such an accusation, do you think it's best to have the standard of "guilty until proven innocent" in place from a public perception standpoint?
In a case where inebriation is involved, how do you adequately determine consent?
After all facts are presented, and justice can truly be thought to have been carried out properly, should the public immediately dispel any ideas of guilt associated with the person accused? To do the other would suggest that the judicial system is flawed; if flawed, why trust it?
For such an accusation, do you think it's best to have the standard of "guilty until proven innocent" in place from a public perception standpoint?
In a case where inebriation is involved, how do you adequately determine consent?
After all facts are presented, and justice can truly be thought to have been carried out properly, should the public immediately dispel any ideas of guilt associated with the person accused? To do the other would suggest that the judicial system is flawed; if flawed, why trust it?
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Let me put it like this.
If 17 years later George Zimmerman wrote a directed a potential oscar winning film. (a film that has a shooting scene in it.)
Don't you think it would be completely fair for him to receive enormous amount of criticism and scrutiny for it?
and don't you think that him coming out and saying "that happened 17 years ago, I was cleared of it, that's that" would only add fuel to the fire?
and even if you think that Zimmerman was innocent and fairly acquitted would you HAVE to acknowledge that the criticism and scrutiny that he received would still be fair given the grey area circumstances of the crime?
If 17 years later George Zimmerman wrote a directed a potential oscar winning film. (a film that has a shooting scene in it.)
Don't you think it would be completely fair for him to receive enormous amount of criticism and scrutiny for it?
and don't you think that him coming out and saying "that happened 17 years ago, I was cleared of it, that's that" would only add fuel to the fire?
and even if you think that Zimmerman was innocent and fairly acquitted would you HAVE to acknowledge that the criticism and scrutiny that he received would still be fair given the grey area circumstances of the crime?
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Let's try this again. You said you aren't convinced that a black man raped a white woman unless there's no shadow of a doubt. I asked you what does no shadow of a doubt mean? Your response:A) rape kit, which only proves that the person had intercourse
B) DNA evidence, which would only be left if alleged rapist did not wear protection
C) bruises/wounds, which doesn't happen with every rape and I certainly left "love wounds" on a woman before. Have you?
Sooooooo, how do you prove a rape without a shadow of doubt? Only way would be video and it better have audio or that can be interpreted different ways as well.
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Comparing him to George Zimmerman, though?
The guy has actively continued to remind us that he killed someone with his antics. How is that a valid example?
He's showed no remorse, and hasn't become a productive member of society after the fact.
The guy has actively continued to remind us that he killed someone with his antics. How is that a valid example?
He's showed no remorse, and hasn't become a productive member of society after the fact.
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