Birth of a Nation sounds INSANE. vol. Nat Turner Slave Rebellion Movie (Teaser Trailer - p. 5)

Master Zik said:
This don't even make sense but maybe you can make sense of it at a later point.
Cuz movies are not ppl.

Plus capitalism did not begat slavery
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If capitalism is a form of slavery you're part taking in it right now unless you stole the computer you're using, stole the internet connection, and are stealing the electricity.
Can't get right
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Also you still haven't provided any solutions.
I didn't even want to get in to that part since ppl will get on the hype is just hype and reviews are subjective.

The movie could be a masterpiece and I'm betting once the thread for the movie is made or if it happens in here there'll be a few ppl hating like crazy on movie to dumb complaints to nitpicks.

Contrarians gonna contrarian.
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I don't want to get into some long drawn out argument but I meant to say that Slavery, which is of course among other things, the sale of another human being, the lowest and most extreme form of capitalism, but it indeed is capitalism. One could even make the argument that we haven't come very far...

I am anti-capitalist knowing that I live in a society which is capitalist and that I myself am a product of capitalist culture but that doesn't mean that I have to contribute towards its conditions nor perpetuate its claims to be neutral...

Any film which claims to be "revolutionary" whether implicitly or explicitly yet joins forces with the very propagator of oppression ( mental or physical) it attempts to wipe out is nothing more than spectacle at worst and naive at best.

I'm sure he has the best intentions and I have nothing against him or the subject but this film will meet the fate of every other popular "subversive" Black film set in some frozen historical past all while lining the pockets of a multinational, billion dollar corporation. Middle class America will say racism is terrible,despicable, people will see it, discussions will be had but after all is said and done it will be just another movie that capitulated to American Dollarism.
 
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so directors making movies about important social issues should NOT want their movies to be screened in theaters across the world because it contributes to capitalism? 

do you understand how hard it is to distribute a movie without dealing with a major film company?
 
Charlie Parker said:
Master Zik said:
This don't even make sense but maybe you can make sense of it at a later point.

Cuz movies are not ppl.


Plus capitalism did not begat slavery :lol: :smh:


If capitalism is a form of slavery you're part taking in it right now unless you stole the computer you're using, stole the internet connection, and are stealing the electricity.

Can't get right :smh:


Also you still haven't provided any solutions.

I didn't even want to get in to that part since ppl will get on the hype is just hype and reviews are subjective.


The movie could be a masterpiece and I'm betting once the thread for the movie is made or if it happens in here there'll be a few ppl hating like crazy on movie to dumb complaints to nitpicks.


Contrarians gonna contrarian.
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I don't want to get into some long drawn out argument but I meant to say that Slavery, which is of course among other things, the sale of another human being, the lowest and most extreme form of capitalism, but it indeed is capitalism. One could even make the argument that we haven't come very far...

I am anti-capitalist knowing that I live in a society which is capitalist and that I myself am a product of capitalist culture but that doesn't mean that I have to contribute towards its conditions nor perpetuate its claims to be neutral...

Any film which claims to be "revolutionary" whether implicitly or explicitly yet joins forces with the very propagator of oppression ( mental or physical) it attempts to wipe out is nothing more than spectacle at worst and naive at best.

I'm sure he has the best intentions and I have nothing against him or the subject but this film will meet the fate of every other popular "subversive" Black film set in some frozen historical past all while lining the pockets of a multinational, billion dollar corporation. Middle class America will say racism is terrible,despicable, people will see it, discussions will be had but after all is said and done it will be just another movie that capitulated to American Dollarism.
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Well that's an entirely different stance.

Capitalism is not inherently wrong.

I don't really rock with anti-capitalists.

Capitalism is not the propagator of oppression.

There's nothing that points to Nat Turner being anti-capitalist either. He was anti-slavery, that's not just the buying and selling of black ppl but black ppl being oppressed in the first place. You started this off trying to say Parker didn't know much about Turner cuz "he sold" his movie to FOX as if selling it to any other would make much of a difference when it comes to the goal he is trying to reach.

You're conflating slavery (and in this case racism as well) which I believe is wrong with capitalism which isn't inherently wrong and trying to make it so that one can't be addressed without the other. That's not how it is.

The aim isn't to stop ppl from making money or to stop capitalism.

If you're against American capitalism you best go run tell that elsewhere b. This aint really the thread but I will say just like you say ppl will talk for a while and nothing will be done about "American Dollarism" the same can be said of you complaining about it in this thread. You're a product of capitalism and actively engage in the process. I doubt you're doing much to change that in America and you're clearly not posting from Cuba or China so what we really talking bout?

And once again, I must stress this, you provide no solutions to this problem. If a black person wants to make a movie about a historical American event involving black ppl and wants that movie to be seen as many ppl as possible in order to foster more movies like that and opportunities for black ppl in Hollywood what should they do? :nerd: Hollywood is already apart of the capitalist system. There is no current wave of black ppl being anti-capitalist so you're on your own if that's the fight you're fighting.
 
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Dont want to take nothing away from Parker and dull his moment. Excited to see this and happy how things worked out for him.

With that being said, if it is indeed phenomenal and the Oscar nominations come calling, that will be great.

But i think it will only be fair to acknowledge that this will be another case of a Black person having to play a slave or some prominent person in a period piece to be recognized.

i think what will be even more awesome is to see other black actors playing modern characters get nominated in the same year.... maybe that will happen
 
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i think what will be even more awesome is to see other black actors playing modern characters get nominated in the same year.... maybe that will happen
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That has happened but at this point I don't think ppl even watch the Oscars to know.

I can agree it doesn't happen enough but saying it doesn't happen at all is a lie. Especially if we're just talking nominations.
 
Nat Turner and Django movie are nothing alike. Django had a white man holding his hand through the whole movie. Nat Turner was self educated. Planned everything. Lead himself.

Me and this dude at my job been talking about this for a like a month now. I'm surprised this movie is getting attention. Nat Turner's rebellion killed over 60 white folks. Dude had that eye for an eye mentality. Hollywood is normally scared to death of that.
 
im worried they are going to make all the white people look like cartoon villains in this movie rather than having fleshed out characters other than the protagonist 
 
Actually Nat Turner, was a bit of a child prodigy but was allowed to learn how to read by his slave master Benjamin Turner.

Other than that, yeah, he planned and organized all the other slaves to execute the rebellion on his own. One of many slave revolts that were suppressed.

Also, he was deeply religious, believed he had visions, was a preacher, and was so good at it his fellow slaves called him the prophet.

Hope the movie covers or touches on some of this key stuff.
 
sea manup said:
im worried they are going to make all the white people look like cartoon villains in this movie rather than having fleshed out characters other than the protagonist 
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Is this just a common worry about movies with loaded topics? Cuz I haven't seen or read anything to indicate this might be what's going on.

Can't really remember the last movie that dealt with racism that just painted the white ppl up and down as evil let alone cartoon villains :lol: :smh:

Storytelling has progressed past that unless it's a straight up comedy.
 
Master Zik said:
Actually Nat Turner, was a bit of a child prodigy but was allowed to learn how to read by his slave master Benjamin Turner.

Other than that, yeah, he planned and organized all the other slaves to execute the rebellion on his own. One of many slave revolts that were suppressed.

Also, he was deeply religious, believed he had visions, was a preacher, and was so good at it his fellow slaves called him the prophet.

Hope the movie covers or touches on some of this key stuff.
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Him being very religious is real interesting to me. A lot of black Christians think they have to forgive and turn the other cheek. Nat wasn't about that at all.
 
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sea manup said:
im worried they are going to make all the white people look like cartoon villains in this movie rather than having fleshed out characters other than the protagonist 
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Is this just a common worry about movies with loaded topics? Cuz I haven't seen or read anything to indicate this might be what's going on.

Can't really remember the last movie that dealt with racism that just painted the white ppl up and down as evil let alone cartoon villains
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Storytelling has progressed past that unless it's a straight up comedy.
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maybe not cartoonish but i think it would be pretty easy for the bad (white) people to be portrayed as one dimensional 

like there really was no depth to the german characters in red tails 
 
Maximus Meridius said:
Master Zik said:
Actually Nat Turner, was a bit of a child prodigy but was allowed to learn how to read by his slave master Benjamin Turner.

Other than that, yeah, he planned and organized all the other slaves to execute the rebellion on his own. One of many slave revolts that were suppressed.

Also, he was deeply religious, believed he had visions, was a preacher, and was so good at it his fellow slaves called him the prophet.

Hope the movie covers or touches on some of this key stuff.
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Him being very religious is real interesting to me. A lot of black Christians think they have to forgive and turn the other cheek. Nat wasn't about that at all.
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Yeah and I have my own issues with religion and slaves so it'll be cool to explore.

I'm guessing one of those visions told him it was time to start killing all the white folk and to free his brothers and sisters.
 
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maybe not cartoonish but i think it would be pretty easy for the bad (white) people to be portrayed as one dimensional 

like there really was no depth to the german characters in red tails 
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If this movie is as good as its sounding I cant see how there wont be a white characters that are painted in the complete human light, showing the good and bad maybe even to the point you

have a lil remorse for them when they get murked
 
sea manup said:
Master Zik said:
 
sea manup said:
im worried they are going to make all the white people look like cartoon villains in this movie rather than having fleshed out characters other than the protagonist 
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Is this just a common worry about movies with loaded topics? Cuz I haven't seen or read anything to indicate this might be what's going on.


Can't really remember the last movie that dealt with racism that just painted the white ppl up and down as evil let alone cartoon villains :lol: :smh:


Storytelling has progressed past that unless it's a straight up comedy.
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maybe not cartoonish but i think it would be pretty easy for the bad (white) people to be portrayed as one dimensional 

like there really was no depth to the german characters in red tails 
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Well yeah, okay I get you. With a topic like this I would hope not.

Germans being the enemy get some of the nazi caricature overshadowing them in any war most times. Then they just come off as bad guys for the sake of being bad guys.

Given the slave and slave master relationship is intimate on several levels I imagine it'll be more than just him being treated horribly by evil white ppl until he revolts. It will mostly be seen through his eyes I assume. Might even show a bit of a struggle with that decision to revolt given his faith.
 
Maximus Meridius said:
How else would they portray slave masters? There were no good or nice slave masters.
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Actually it depends on what you mean by nice. Lets put the whole treating you like property thing aside for a sec :lol:

I remember, and yes this aint 1st hand source material, in 12 Years A Slave, Benedict Cumberbatch played a slave master and owned Northup for a bit and while he was Southerner dude just came off like a polite British gentleman. You could say he was using Northup cuz he was smart, could read, write, and do math but dude legit treated Northup with respect and the way the character came off was like he wasn't even in to whipping his slaves. Northup came in to more problems with the racist white characters that worked for Benedict's character. Plus it came off like once Northup plead his case about being kidnapped he could gain his freedom.

Now while you can't really call the man good since he owned human beings and used them for free labor dude came off nice. Seemed like the type that was just rolling with the times of slavery in the South in his position. More of the turn a blind eye to the ugliness of it than the direct personal expression of cruelty and hatred for slaves other slave masters would exhibit.

If you get what I'm saying.
 
You can't treat somebody with respect while you're owning them. That don't even make sense. :smh: :lol:

I'm sure there were some slave masters that weren't into the beatings and rapings but nah... You still owned people based on their race and contributed to it. Don't own people period. They were all in the same boat.
 
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