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Is getting certified important in this field? Or just portfolio?
 
Certifications help as well as portfolio. They'll see the cert first and then will look more into the portfolio.
 
Is getting certified important in this field? Or just portfolio?

It depends on the agency/company you're applying with. Startup and newer companies generally aren't looking for certifications, they want to see what you've built. Inversely, your resume won't even be looked at by some government agencies if you don't have a certain certification - they don't care that you helped build an app with 500K+ downloads, they only care that you've been properly trained and certified to do X job.

Generally speaking, newer companies don't care, older and more established ones do. There are exceptions, of course. Certs definitely don't hurt, but they may not be worth the investment if you can get to where you want to go without it.
 
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Good thread guys. I was gonna try to learn Java last year but moved and a lot of other ****, so that may be something I put back on my plate for the year (after I do the CCNA, god I gotta stop procrastinating :rolleyes :lol: )
 
It depends on the agency/company you're applying with. Startup and newer companies generally aren't looking for certifications, they want to see what you've built. Inversely, your resume won't even be looked at by some government agencies if you don't have a certain certification - they don't care that you helped build an app with 500K+ downloads, they only care that you've been properly trained and certified to do X job.

Generally speaking, newer companies don't care, older and more established ones do. There are exceptions, of course. Certs definitely don't hurt, but they may not be worth the investment if you can get to where you want to go without it.

I personally feel Certs serve no purpose in Programming outside of a few Specific tools that have proprietary stuff like Salesforce, and maybe an Agile cert or PMP if you want to get into eventual management, outside of that Certs hold more weight when it comes to the Infrastructure side of IT.
 
Bruh :rofl:

You changed the boot sequence in the BIOS. Be careful, because your computer will be looking at the USB port(s) for its operating system from now on. Depending on your BIOS, you might end up trying to boot from your USB devices (keyboard, mouse, etc) and experience the "No operating system found..." error when your Kali USB drive isn't plugged in. You should be able to reprioritize your SSD as #1 and manually boot into the USB by holding F9 at startup instead (it varies, might be another F shortcut depending on the machine.)

I had no idea you never used Linux before this. Be VERY careful with Kali. I'm sure you're aware, but if you do something even as simple as opening up some of those tools while connected to another agency's network, you'd be committing a felony (e.g. Using Wireshark *IN PROMISCUOUS MODE* on a Starbucks network is a crime.) You also might think about encrypting your storage area with LUKS, just for an added layer of security.


EWD be very careful, maybe you should start in a sandbox environment first.

:lol: There's some safeguards built in my comp (Surface Pro 3). I have Windows 10 Professional with BitLocker enabled so basically I have to change that setting in my console before it will even accept my USB as a startup disk. Then after taking the USB out when I boot it requires me to turn BitLocker back on because my entire SSD is encrypted. All those steps are appreciated because it prevents negligence. The next step is for me to setup the encrypted Persistence (Luks) so that I can actually save stuff on the bootable USB. But in all reality I have a 25 hour course with over 200 videos from a White Hat professional that I'm doing this with. We'll be learning Tor, ProxyChains, VPN anon, WPA cracking, DoS, Cloning, Post exploits, SQL injections, and building a Keylogger in C++ :rofl: After a few months of practice I'll be ready for my Cert.

But I'll be careful, can't be messing with my freedom or my ability to get my TS back.
 
Good thread guys. I was gonna try to learn Java last year but moved and a lot of other ****, so that may be something I put back on my plate for the year (after I do the CCNA, god I gotta stop procrastinating :rolleyes :lol: )

Are you going to buy a Cisco home lab? I'd highly suggest that because even though the simulators are good, there's still some things that can happen that you need to be able to resolve that aren't accurately represented on the software simulator labs. You can find a good used one on Ebay for around $200, but you have to make sure you have the correct model of Cisco router and switches for the IOS images.
 
Man it's getting real in this app dev course lol. I love seeing the ways other dudes in the class come up with solutions to the challenges. I simply observe and commit to memory.
 
luckyluchiano luckyluchiano I think its one of the best as far as having a comprehensive road map for learning, whereas other sites may offer all the same material and you're free to pick and choose what you want. CodeAcademy just started offering a road map format, but they're also charging monthly. I think teamtreehouse and other paid sites offer pathways as well. Someone else can speak on them.

The main thing is just finding one that offers the best learning method for you (videos, build-a-app, coding tasks, etc)

Pulled this info from a blog, but its basically the bare bones of a full stack skill set. You can learn the skills from anywhere as long as you're learning.


  • HTML
  • CSS
  • Javascript
  • one general-purpose programming language (Ruby, Python, PHP, etc)
  • one relational database system (Postgres, MySQL, Oracle, etc)
  • one web server (nginx, Apache, etc)
  • one deployment operating system (Ubuntu, CentOS, FreeBSD, etc)
  • one version-control system (git. don't bother with the etc)
 
I'd say yes, but I'm biased.


luckyluchiano luckyluchiano I think its one of the best as far as having a comprehensive road map for learning, whereas other sites may offer all the same material and you're free to pick and choose what you want. CodeAcademy just started offering a road map format, but they're also charging monthly. I think teamtreehouse and other paid sites offer pathways as well. Someone else can speak on them.

The main thing is just finding one that offers the best learning method for you (videos, build-a-app, coding tasks, etc)

Pulled this info from a blog, but its basically the bare bones of a full stack skill set. You can learn the skills from anywhere as long as you're learning.


  • HTML
  • CSS
  • Javascript
  • one general-purpose programming language (Ruby, Python, PHP, etc)
  • one relational database system (Postgres, MySQL, Oracle, etc)
  • one web server (nginx, Apache, etc)
  • one deployment operating system (Ubuntu, CentOS, FreeBSD, etc)
  • one version-control system (git. don't bother with the etc)

I hear Udmy is pretty good and they have a "Full Stack" Couse for 25 bucks and I hear you can usually find coupons to get classes for 10 bucks. I`m mainly looking for a one stop shop that I can do on my own pace when I am not doing homework, or studying for a cert.
 
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I'd say yes, but I'm biased.


luckyluchiano luckyluchiano I think its one of the best as far as having a comprehensive road map for learning, whereas other sites may offer all the same material and you're free to pick and choose what you want. CodeAcademy just started offering a road map format, but they're also charging monthly. I think teamtreehouse and other paid sites offer pathways as well. Someone else can speak on them.

The main thing is just finding one that offers the best learning method for you (videos, build-a-app, coding tasks, etc)

Pulled this info from a blog, but its basically the bare bones of a full stack skill set. You can learn the skills from anywhere as long as you're learning.


  • HTML
  • CSS
  • Javascript
  • one general-purpose programming language (Ruby, Python, PHP, etc)
  • one relational database system (Postgres, MySQL, Oracle, etc)
  • one web server (nginx, Apache, etc)
  • one deployment operating system (Ubuntu, CentOS, FreeBSD, etc)
  • one version-control system (git. don't bother with the etc)

I hear Udmy is pretty good and they have a "Full Stack" Couse for 25 bucks and I hear you can usually find coupons to get classes for 10 bucks. I`m mainly looking for a one stop shop that I can do on my own pace when I am not doing homework, or studying for a cert.

In that case, Free Code Camp is right up your alley. The guided learning map, reputation, volunteer projects they pair you with, and the supportive community.

I'm almost a little afraid that this is all free, seems kinda too good to be true.
 
In that case, Free Code Camp is right up your alley. The guided learning map, reputation, volunteer projects they pair you with, and the supportive community.

I'm almost a little afraid that this is all free, seems kinda too good to be true.

cool and just to be sure Free Code Camp is a "Full Stack" experience right? I`m going to dig more into it this weekend, I`m just trying to put my resources together so I can get up and running.
 
Yea, Full-Stack

How long it take you to run through it? Assuming you did the Full Stack cert?

I think I mentioned before but I work full time and getting my masters part time, so along with this I also plan on fitting in time to get some certifications in the stuff I`m touching with my masters since it would be fresh in my mind.
 
Yea, Full-Stack

How long it take you to run through it? Assuming you did the Full Stack cert?

I think I mentioned before but I work full time and getting my masters part time, so along with this I also plan on fitting in time to get some certifications in the stuff I`m touching with my masters since it would be fresh in my mind.

I haven't, wish I have though but get sidetracked and stuck on the JavaScript alot.

It takes about 2,080 hours to complete Free Code Camp.

Free Code Camp is fully online, and there will always be other people at your skill level that you can pair program with, so you can learn at your own pace. Here are some example coding schedules:

Time budgeted Hours per week Weeks to complete
Weekends 10 hours/week 208 weeks (48 months)
Nights and Weekends 20 hours/week 104 weeks (24 months)
Full time 40 hours/week 52 weeks (12 months)
Traditional Bootcamp Pacing 80 hours/week 26 weeks (6 months)
 
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Yes Udemy is a great resource, especially when they have their coupons. For one it's buy once keep your resources forever, and the really good course instructors constantly add new material (just think $10-$15 for a top notch programming course that you only pay once). They however are $200-$300 full price which technically still is worth it.

I get emails when the coupons come out so I'll be sure to post in here. Udemy just got a HUGE endorsement from ESRI the #1 GIS software company in the world. ESRI does all their MOOCS on a private version of Udemy.

 
I'm sure there are some guys out there lurking or actively involved in this thread and may want to know, for those of you who are already in positions that require programming/coding, do you feel that going back to school is essential to getting your foot in the door if you don't already have the background?

I'm even being pressured by my wife to go back since all the people I know who has made strides in IT have their Master's degree.

We've covered non-traditional learning methods but never really discussed the traditional methods. I don't want us to seem too biased though we just might be :lol:
 
I'm sure there are some guys out there lurking or actively involved in this thread and may want to know, for those of you who are already in positions that require programming/coding, do you feel that going back to school is essential to getting your foot in the door if you don't already have the background?

I'm even being pressured by my wife to go back since all the people I know who has made strides in IT have their Master's degree.

We've covered non-traditional learning methods but never really discussed the traditional methods. I don't want us to seem too biased though we just might be :lol:

a masters is a gate keeper just like certs. I went because I enjoy the structure of a curriculum, and a Masters knocks off a few years experience for some job requirements.
 
Masters is such a strategic degree. I'm an advocate for school...not so much for the learning aspect...you can learn as much and in some cases even more on your own. But the connections and alliances as well as the deliverables (degree, transcripts) is hard to beat.

You don't have to love it... I hate school, but if you pair self-starting drive with the structure of school you'll be hard to beat all around.
 
The structure is definitely key in a world where there are so many distractions today. One could say that we've even come accustomed to the structure that a traditional school provides.

Shaving off a few years of exp w/ a Masters is a plus, but the drawback is what you're learning.

What most long for is the day and age where the MOOCs and other things, certs included, hold as much weight as at least an Assoc degree or the likes so that employers will take into consideration when hiring.
 
Yeah I just looked at some positions that I am interested in and the prefer a MS or 8 years of experience *sigh* I need to hurry up and knock out this Masters.
 
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