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its not black people who've progressed its white people VOL....chris rock
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Isn't that how most people look at it? White people were the oppressor, black people were the oppressed. Most people look at black people as the victims during that time period, not like it was an equal sided conflict.
But he's wrong on one thing, you can say race relations improved and in his example, you would still say Ike and Tina's relationship improved.
But he's wrong on one thing, you can say race relations improved and in his example, you would still say Ike and Tina's relationship improved.
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-I think his example still makes sense. Getting smacked in the face is an improvement over catching constant hooks to the grill.
The problem is that some people think that blacks should be satisfied with the smacks, cause hey "it you be worst, at least the punches stopped"
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But Rock does make a very good point. The problem with race relations in America is not some two way street like conservatives love to claim
Black people asking for equality and justice is in no way unreasonable. Yet some people act like it is.
Being "unfairly" labelled a racist, like some white folk complain about, is still no where near as bad as being a victim of racism
When it comes to race relations, black folk need to do their part, but to reach common ground, the black community has a few feet to travel.
The white community seemingly are still have a couple miles to go.
And instead of staying the course, some of them keep popping there head up and yell to the black community "Are we there yet", and like a child they get increasingly frustrated when the answer is no.
But at least they're still traveling down that road, with progressive whites being like a the big sister, telling the bigots to shut up and keep walking
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I like his viewpoint. All this time black people have been saying, "we've gotta do better" or, "that just set us back another 50 years," in terms of racial progress. But he's right, it's really white people and their ancestors that have set themselves back.
White people we've gotta do better!
White people we've gotta do better!
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With that being said, is there even a need for "black progress"?
Is there even a such thing as "black progess"?
Is there even a such thing as "black progess"?
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Ughh
Chris Rock is just as wrong as the people that he's condemning. White people aren't the only ones who haven't progressed, there's Asians, Latinos and Hispanics, Europeans, Africans and more across the ethnic spectrum. This is what frustrates Americans like myself who have socially evolved past the point of associating skin color with class. I was at a bar just the other day and was shunned by a group that consisted of two women, one Asian and one white, and a Latino male (who looked "white"). It wasn't until a conversation was started around them where others seemed to value my intelligence and not my skin color that the Asian female and Latino male were embarrassed, because they knew they distance themselves from me in a way that would've exposed their implicit bias. They spent the night making slick comments among each other trying to rationalize the box they'd put themselves in. They were even later ostracized as the group grew to about 20 people.
This is where racism and ignorance thrives, in the consciousness of the weak minded who associate the quality of their "American" experience with archaic "white" approval.
The bar was 90% white that night and the color of my skin didn't prohibit me from having an intelligent conversation with others. However the Asian and Latino prohibited themselves to the point they felt victimized and part of an outgroup by the end of the evening.
Using domestic violence as an example was really small minded of Rock, sometimes analogies can create the most dangerous connotations and stereotypes. Here's Nigella Lawson and her estranged partner having a "lovely" meal as well.
What we have to start doing as a nation is learn cultural relativism, there's many cultures living in the United States who have eccentric beliefs and behaviors. But the only way to become a better nation is to learn to acknowledge them as individuals. And we can't do that if we continue to segregate ourselves based on insular beliefs and behaviors. Just like the Asian female and Latino male at the bar that one evening.
As a socially evolved race of humans, we have to start calling people out on their B.S., especially when it hurts us as a society. And what Chris Rock says hurts us as a society. It's a generalized statement.
This is where racism and ignorance thrives, in the consciousness of the weak minded who associate the quality of their "American" experience with archaic "white" approval.
The bar was 90% white that night and the color of my skin didn't prohibit me from having an intelligent conversation with others. However the Asian and Latino prohibited themselves to the point they felt victimized and part of an outgroup by the end of the evening.
Using domestic violence as an example was really small minded of Rock, sometimes analogies can create the most dangerous connotations and stereotypes. Here's Nigella Lawson and her estranged partner having a "lovely" meal as well.
What we have to start doing as a nation is learn cultural relativism, there's many cultures living in the United States who have eccentric beliefs and behaviors. But the only way to become a better nation is to learn to acknowledge them as individuals. And we can't do that if we continue to segregate ourselves based on insular beliefs and behaviors. Just like the Asian female and Latino male at the bar that one evening.
As a socially evolved race of humans, we have to start calling people out on their B.S., especially when it hurts us as a society. And what Chris Rock says hurts us as a society. It's a generalized statement.
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^^^ Hearing you're against Rock's analysis makes me agree with him more 
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A for Effort.
F for Social Commentary.
Quick tip : Know what would be a real generalized statement? One person telling us a personal story of one experience they had and their thoughts and then applying it to race relations in an entire nation
As I said, weak minded people segregate and disadvantage themselves. Regardless of skin color.^^^ Hearing you're against Rock's analysis makes me agree with him more
Quick tip : Know what would be a real generalized statement? One person telling us a personal story of one experience they had and their thoughts and then applying it to race relations in an entire nation
What about my response generalized anyone? I said one male and one female, who happened to be Asian and Latino.
Something I've learned to do when on NT is remember some of you are contrarians who are bad at reading comprehension, and strive for e-fame by tearing others down. Doesn't matter what I say, you pick the parts out of it you feel you can build your case around and run with it.
Only people who were classified in a negative light in my response were the ignorant and weak minded.
Weak minded people who make their social identity an integral part of their communication experience usually can't exchange ideas without offending someone or being offended themselves.
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I feel all that Chris Rock said could've been said in 3 sentences. I applaud the effort.
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Weak minded individual #2 ...you and Rusty on your way to starting your own nation, huh?
What about my response generalized anyone? I said one male and one female, who happened to be Asian and Latino.
"This is what frustrates Americans like myself who have socially evolved past the point of associating skin color with class"
So you have socially evolved past acknowledging reality? The history of our nation has led to a present in which skin color and class are undeniably tied when it comes to examining society. This is the equivalent of saying "i've evolved past seeing skin color, I see no race". Well guess what, race exists and so do socioeconomic issues that are tied to it. By pretending you are above these issues, you are actually ignoring them.
I was at a bar just the other day and was shunned by a group that consisted of two women, one Asian and one white, and a Latino male (who looked "white").
So? Do you think that just because multiple races are represented you are now representative of our entire nation and its issues? What if all 5 people are born and raised in the south? What if you all went to an elite college together? What if all of you are first generation immigrants? How could just your group be representing all of these different possibilities? Assuming they do is called generalizing.
It wasn't until a conversation was started around them where others seemed to value my intelligence and not my skin color that the Asian female and Latino male were embarrassed. They were even later ostracized as the group grew to about 20 people.
So what if the others around you didn't value your intelligence and were more racist than the original two? Do you not think there are places in America where in this same situation you would've been the none ostracized from the group because the others agreed with the first two? If you don't, I highly recommend you speak to some people who live in different environments than you do.
This is where racism and ignorance thrives, in the consciousness of the weak minded who associate the quality of their "American" experience with archaic "white" approval.
So basically any form of racism, oppression, or prejudice is of no consequence because if the person being affected simply didn't associate the thing they are being deprived of as part of their "American" experience then it doesn't exist. Look man, I don't think you should be seeking "white approval" nor should the poor be seeking "wealth approval", but wanting to be treated equally or fairly is not the victim's fault for being weak.
-Lastly, your analogy point makes absolutely no sense. Your picture does absolutely nothing to detract from Rock's point, and proves that you likely didn't understand his analogy in the first place. An example of one couple and domestic violence is too extreme and dangerous to compare to blatant and systemic racism on a national scale?
Also...
Weak minded people who make their social identity an integral part of their communication experience usually can't exchange ideas without offending someone or being offended themselves.
By your definition you are undoubtedly weak minded. You made your point and a few posters didn't agree with it, then you felt the need not only to try and defend yourself, but to do so by name-calling and making stupid assumptions about why we could possibly disagree with you.
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Chris Rock is right. This has always been a white ppl problem. Just about choice of words.
Dopeness is clearly on that water
Talking about he has evolved. Good luck living in a world that has not. If you can't adjust and look at the times for what they are you'll just be screwing yourself.
You're not starting a movement and leading by example with a bunch of supporters so ya kinda wasting your time. A society evolving is much more important than one person who can't change anything.
Dopeness is clearly on that water
Talking about he has evolved. Good luck living in a world that has not. If you can't adjust and look at the times for what they are you'll just be screwing yourself.
You're not starting a movement and leading by example with a bunch of supporters so ya kinda wasting your time. A society evolving is much more important than one person who can't change anything.
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Dopeness is clearly on that water
Talking about he has evolved. Good luck living in a world that has not. If you can't adjust and look at the times for what they are you'll just be screwing yourself.
You're not starting a movement and leading by example with a bunch of supporters so ya kinda wasting your time. A society evolving is much more important than one person who can't change anything.
...I feel sorry for y'all.
Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, is based on the mind of Frederick Douglass. A who man refused to "adjust and look at the times for what they" were.
Ignorant people have been trying to get a man that graduated from Harvard out of the White House for the past 8 years. His wife is a Harvard graduate from the south side of Chicago. She's a descendant of slaves and together they're leaders of the free world.
...again, weak minded people segregate themselves. A priceless piece of knowledge I've acquired over the years through observation, is that persuasion is most potent when it's effortless. People will never talk the talk if they haven't seen you walk the walk. Which is why the only talking I do is explaining how easy it is to walk the walk, while I'm walking. It's up to that individual to decide whether they want to walk with me.
...just like that Asian female and Latino guy. They chose not to talk, and got left behind while the rest of us learned to walk...upright. Evolution.
Originally Posted by Master Zik
Dopeness is clearly on that water
Talking about he has evolved. Good luck living in a world that has not. If you can't adjust and look at the times for what they are you'll just be screwing yourself.
You're not starting a movement and leading by example with a bunch of supporters so ya kinda wasting your time. A society evolving is much more important than one person who can't change anything.
Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, is based on the mind of Frederick Douglass. A who man refused to "adjust and look at the times for what they" were.
Ignorant people have been trying to get a man that graduated from Harvard out of the White House for the past 8 years. His wife is a Harvard graduate from the south side of Chicago. She's a descendant of slaves and together they're leaders of the free world.
...again, weak minded people segregate themselves. A priceless piece of knowledge I've acquired over the years through observation, is that persuasion is most potent when it's effortless. People will never talk the talk if they haven't seen you walk the walk. Which is why the only talking I do is explaining how easy it is to walk the walk, while I'm walking. It's up to that individual to decide whether they want to walk with me.
...just like that Asian female and Latino guy. They chose not to talk, and got left behind while the rest of us learned to walk...upright. Evolution.
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Save your sorries. I pity you b.Quote:
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Dopeness is clearly on that water
Talking about he has evolved. Good luck living in a world that has not. If you can't adjust and look at the times for what they are you'll just be screwing yourself.
You're not starting a movement and leading by example with a bunch of supporters so ya kinda wasting your time. A society evolving is much more important than one person who can't change anything.
...I feel sorry for y'all.
Most definitely.
The unification is lacking though.
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this right here.
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A great man usually gains supporters and allies and stands with them.
You are no great man.
Arrogant and/or delusional at this point possibly but I don't know if you're trolling or serious
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Sounds like them "woke" tumblr kids
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White people as a whole will never acknowledge the institutional racism they benefit from, which is the biggest problem of race relations and affects all minorities.
I'm hardly arrogant, as I said, it's indomitable will. Sad part is you're low key frustrating yourself trying to break it, and don't even have good reason. You're not trying to help others, you're not even trying to help yourself. You just want to see me broken, just because you hate yourself. That's why you don't know if I'm trolling, because you don't even believe in the acrimonious intent behind your responses. My conscious is connected to humanity on a totally different plane than yours. You want the world to feel your petty pain, I want the world to experience the self-love I have for myself within themselves. Each and everyone one of you. That's DOPENESS.Arrogant and/or delusional at this point possibly but I don't know if you're trolling or serious
You're trying to break me, because you don't want to accept what it will say about yourself if you can't. It's cool, I'll love you until you're strong enough to love yourself. Then we can both love the world we live in together.
