Would you have an abortion if you knew your child would have down syndrome

Would you have an abortion if you knew your child would have down syndrome?

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Would you have an abortion if you knew at any phase of pregnancy that your child would have down syndrome ?

Rayna Rapp, a former abortion clinic worker who aborted a baby with Down syndrome herself, conducted a survey of women and couples who sought amniocentesis to screen for Down syndrome and other problems with their babies. All of the interviewees intended to abort if the baby was found to have Down syndrome. Some of the things that these parents say about Down syndrome children are deeply troubling to anyone who values life. Here are some comments from men and women who said they would abort if the test came back positive for Down.

-I would have a very hard time dealing with a ******ed child. ******ation is relative, it could be so negligible that the child is normal, or so severe that the child has nothing… All of the sharing things you want to do, the things you want to share with a child – that, to me, is the essence of being a father. There would be a big void that I would feel. I would feel grief, not having what I consider a normal family.(133)

-I have an image of how I want to interact with my child, and that’s not the kind of interaction I want, not the kind I could maintain. (133)

-I’m sorry to say I couldn’t think about raising a child with Down’s. I’m something of a perfectionist. I want the best for my child. I’ve worked hard, I went to Cornell University, I’d want that for my child. I’d want to teach him things he couldn’t absorb. I’m sorry I can’t be more accepting, but I’m clear I wouldn’t want to continue the pregnancy.( 133 – 134)

-The bottom line is when my neighbor said to me: “Having a “tard,” that’s a bummer for life.” (91)

-I just couldn’t do it, couldn’t be that kind of mother who accepts everything, loves her kid no matter what. What about me? Maybe it’s selfish, I don’t know. But I just didn’t want all those problems in my life. (138)

-If he can’t grow up to have a shot at becoming the president, we don’t want him.(92)

-It’s devastating, it’s a waste, all the love that goes into kids like that. (134)

-I think it’s kind of like triage, or like euthanasia. There aren’t enough resources in the world. We’d have to move, to focus our whole family on getting a handicapped kid a better deal… Why spend $50,000 to save one child?(146)

All of these mothers and fathers (for they are already mothers and fathers to their babies growing in the womb) had chosen to have abortions if the baby had Down. The book did not specify which pregnancies actually tested positive and how many went on to abort. But all of the quotes above were made by men and women who fully intended to kill their babies if they turned out to be mentally challenged.

Many of these people were affluent, successful men and women. They had an idea of what they wanted their child to be like, and if it turns out their baby does not measure up to their expectations, they want to reject that child and try again. It’s a consumer culture that views babies as commodities that can be accepted or rejected based on the parents expectations.

You have to wonder how these parents would react if their “normal” child turned out to have a learning disability or just is less of an overachiever- not as perfect as they want him to be. The sanctity of human life has been defeated by a consumer culture where women have amniocentesis in order to decide whether or not a baby is acceptable to be born, as if they were purchasing a pair of shoes and looking for the most comfortable and attractive ones.

Two of the people interviewed also expressed reluctance to make the sacrifices required to care for a Down syndrome child. Not wanting “problems in my life” becomes a tragic statement when you realize that all children cause “problems” at one time or another. Putting a monetary cost on a child’s life and deciding that the child’s life isn’t worth that arbitrary amount is even worse. I wonder how much money the mother who so cavalierly said “Why spend $50,000  to save one child” thinks her own life is worth?

I wonder if the respondents knew that there is a waiting list of parents hoping to adopt children with Down syndrome.  Sadly, I doubt this knowledge would make a difference to those who rejected their children.
 
This is one of the saddest things I've ever read.

Humans really suck sometimes.
 
I know it's different but I have a genetic disease (CPT-2) that has ruined my life.

Luckily for me it's an autosomal recessive disorder so I could only pass on the disease to my child if my partner has the mutated DNA as well.

If my disease was guaranteed to be passed onto my children I would never have kids of my own. If my partner somehow got pregnant in such a situation I would push for abortion.

That goes for down syndrome too. It's a serious disorder and I wouldn't want my child to live that way. I want the best for my kids. It's not that I wouldn't want to raise a down syndrome child, I just wonder if my child could truly be happy in life if he/she has down syndrome. I'd have to do more research on down syndrome to make such a decision though.

I know a couple that got a child knowing the father has MS. I would never ever do that, even if it's not 100% guaranteed the child inherits MS.
 
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I know it's different but I have a genetic disease (CPT-2) that has ruined my life.
Luckily for me it's an autosomal recessive disorder so I could only pass on the disease to my child if my partner has the mutated DNA as well.
If my disease was guaranteed to be passed onto my children I would never have kids of my own. If my partner somehow got pregnant in such a situation I would push for abortion.

That goes for down syndrome too. It's a serious disorder and I wouldn't want my child to live that way. I want the best for my kids. It's not that I wouldn't want to raise a down syndrome child, I just wonder if my child could truly be happy in life if he/she has down syndrome. I'd have to do more research on down syndrome to make such a decision though.
I know a couple that got a child knowing the father has MS. I would never ever do that, even if it's not 100% guaranteed the child inherits MS.

If I have a diaease or disability myself that would come in the way of being a functional father I wouldn't want to be a dad, also if I had a genetic disorder that has a high chance of being passed on, I would much rather adopt, the only bad thing I can pass down is psoriasis, it sucks but is not a guaranteed inheritance so i will still like to conceive.

Chances with in vitro of a down Syndrome baby are extremely low or any other abnormality, but in the slight chance the baby is found to have Down, I won't abort, fought to hard to have him/her and will not take away his own fight, because of my own fears....thankfully we are in good place and the wife and I have plenty of love to give....my boy has a child with Down and I admire him and you couldn't tell me his boy isn't happy, because he is, he's probably taken care of way more than a lot of "normal" children in the world....my kid will be the coolest Down child ever, I'll make sure of it.
 
My girlfriends cousin is a 46 year old man with Downs. I've watched him multiple times before as a favor to her mother. It's truly a very frustrating disorder that tests your patience as a human.

With that being said I can't blame anybody who wouldn't be willing to take on the burden of a Down's syndrome child.

Wish all children were born completely healthy with no defects.
 
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what's the earliest you can find out if your kid will have it or not?

if its before the legal limit for abortion then yes
 
10 to 12 weeks i think.

I google imaged 10 week fetus.

Its something.
 
I think its different saying it, then actually doing it.

When i found out i was going to be a father, me and my girlfriend freaked out and quickly said " can we do this, are you sure, its going to ruin our plans " and i was scared to death.

As soon as my daughter was born, its a whole another story, the greatest joy of my life, i did a complete 360 and now i cant picture my life without my daughter.

What im saying is, You could say i wouldnt want a down's baby or any kind of sickness, but when it actually happens, it'll be the greatest test of your life that you wouldnt think twice about, youll just know what to do and how to do it.

On a side note all those answers were very hard for me to read, maybe because I'm a new father but those answers just sound pure hatred.

You have to accept what life or God ( if your religious ) gives you and make it work.
 
Very sad, what about autism? My friends brothers child has it but it isn't as severe. How does one gauge the severity?
 
No body is born being ready for parenting and these are always going to be difficult decisions to make but we should understand both sides of the coin.

However OP and original article tries to throw shade on those making the difficult decision of aborting their child with down syndrome.  All the quotes in the article may seem harsh but are really real.  Think about it though.

With the medical advancements we have, we should very much use it to our advantage.  No one wants their child to suffer, or carry a disorder for the rest of their lives. 

Very easy to put down someone's decision, but very difficult to actually understand.

What about this?  Would you send your parents to a retirement home as they get older.
 
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As soon as my daughter was born, its a whole another story, the greatest joy of my life, i did a complete 360 and now i cant picture my life without my daughter.
complete 360 huh? Aight Jason Kidd

Yes, its scary at first, wondering how you going to adjust your life to a baby, can't do some of the stuff anymore, always worrying how you going to pay for something when the baby needs, so many thoughts crossed your head, but once the baby is born its like you know what to do and how to react. When its your kid, you'll do everything you can to make his or her life better.
 
No body is born being ready for parenting and these are always going to be difficult decisions to make but we should understand both sides of the coin.
However OP and original article tries to throw shade on those making the difficult decision of aborting their child with down syndrome.  All the quotes in the article may seem harsh but are really real.  Think about it though.

With the medical advancements we have, we should very much use it to our advantage.  No one wants their child to suffer, or carry a disorder for the rest of their lives. 

Very easy to put down someone's decision, but very difficult to actually understand.

What about this?  Would you send your parents to a retirement home as they get older.

You are right, I can't speak for the other side of the convo when someone wants to not have a baby for their personal reason.

LIke I said before maybe because I'm a new father and I feel like i made the bed so I have to lay down on it, I made the kid so i have to live up to my duties and take care of it, wheither or not my baby came out sick, you have to adjust your life to the kids life now.

So in a way its kind of selfish to say " oh i dont want my baby to have down syndrome " its not your choice, if it happens it happen
I know it's different but I have a genetic disease (CPT-2) that has ruined my life.
Luckily for me it's an autosomal recessive disorder so I could only pass on the disease to my child if my partner has the mutated DNA as well.
If my disease was guaranteed to be passed onto my children I would never have kids of my own. If my partner somehow got pregnant in such a situation I would push for abortion.

That goes for down syndrome too. It's a serious disorder and I wouldn't want my child to live that way. I want the best for my kids. It's not that I wouldn't want to raise a down syndrome child, I just wonder if my child could truly be happy in life if he/she has down syndrome. I'd have to do more research on down syndrome to make such a decision though.
I know a couple that got a child knowing the father has MS. I would never ever do that, even if it's not 100% guaranteed the child inherits MS.

If I have a diaease or disability myself that would come in the way of being a functional father I wouldn't want to be a dad, also if I had a genetic disorder that has a high chance of being passed on, I would much rather adopt, the only bad thing I can pass down is psoriasis, it sucks but is not a guaranteed inheritance so i will still like to conceive.

Chances with in vitro of a down Syndrome baby are extremely low or any other abnormality, but in the slight chance the baby is found to have Down, I won't abort, fought to hard to have him/her and will not take away his own fight, because of my own fears....thankfully we are in good place and the wife and I have plenty of love to give....my boy has a child with Down and I admire him and you couldn't tell me his boy isn't happy, because he is, he's probably taken care of way more than a lot of "normal" children in the world....my kid will be the coolest Down child ever, I'll make sure of it.


ALL OF THIS.

LIke I said before, you have to adjust what life gives, sometimes we can't pick and choose what we want. It's unfortunate those answers in OP original post are dark, scary and true. But I guess your never going to know the enjoyment of having your own kid because of fear.
 
Yep.

Not down with that struggle.

They say the life expectancy is 60 for a person with downs. So that likely means the parents will die before them and I can't even imagine leaving someone like that on their own in this world.
 
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Yep.

Not down with that struggle.

They say the life expectancy is 60 for a person with downs. So that likely means the parents will die before them and I can't even imagine leaving someone like that on their own in this world.

Not true, I know 2 people that have kids with down syndrome and one of the kid is like 19 or 20, and he will always have a care taker for the rest of his life.

Always had one from the moment he was born. There's always help.
 
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As soon as my daughter was born, its a whole another story, the greatest joy of my life, i did a complete 360 and now i cant picture my life without my daughter.
complete 360 huh? Aight Jason Kidd

Yes, its scary at first, wondering how you going to adjust your life to a baby, can't do some of the stuff anymore, always worrying how you going to pay for something when the baby needs, so many thoughts crossed your head, but once the baby is born its like you know what to do and how to react. When its your kid, you'll do everything you can to make his or her life better.

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As soon as my daughter was born, its a whole another story, the greatest joy of my life, i did a complete 360 and now i cant picture my life without my daughter.
complete 360 huh? Aight Jason Kidd

Yes, its scary at first, wondering how you going to adjust your life to a baby, can't do some of the stuff anymore, always worrying how you going to pay for something when the baby needs, so many thoughts crossed your head, but once the baby is born its like you know what to do and how to react. When its your kid, you'll do everything you can to make his or her life better.

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:lol: Nah i got the joke, just wanted to explain a little more thats all haha
 
Yes, its scary at first, wondering how you going to adjust your life to a baby, can't do some of the stuff anymore, always worrying how you going to pay for something when the baby needs, so many thoughts crossed your head, but once the baby is born its like you know what to do and how to react. When its your kid, you'll do everything you can to make his or her life better.
So you don't continue to use the phrase "did a 360" thought id let you know that the phrase your looking for is a complete 180.

360 turns you all the way around back to where you were.
 
Yes, its scary at first, wondering how you going to adjust your life to a baby, can't do some of the stuff anymore, always worrying how you going to pay for something when the baby needs, so many thoughts crossed your head, but once the baby is born its like you know what to do and how to react. When its your kid, you'll do everything you can to make his or her life better.
So you don't continue to use the phrase "did a 360" thought id let you know that the phrase your looking for is a complete 180.

360 turns you all the way around back to where you were.

My bad, 180 you got me on that :tongue:
 
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