Law Graduate Gets Her Day in Court, Suing Law School

Al Audi said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/07/b...ccusing-law-school-of-inflating-job-data.html


my opinion:

You can do everything right, get all these degrees etc but no one is going to hand anyone ****.

Nothing is guaranteed in life. Even passing the bar exam.

PEOPLE ARE TOO ENTITLED THESE DAYS
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I think she did pass the bar exam. I believe she's angry about not being able to find a stable job, which is actually a problem for many lawyers.

Happy that the case is going forward.
 
zapatohead408 said:
I think she did pass the bar exam. I believe she's angry about not being able to find a stable job, which is actually a problem for many lawyers.

Happy that the case is going forward.
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i don't feel bad


you got plenty of people with school loans who work at starbucks or people who want a pay raise at wal mart
 
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I work in the field, no one forces you to keep getting degrees

people want it easy so instead of working, they took out massive loans then blame someone else when it doesn't work out for staying in school forever
 
People need to stop acting like a degree means people should just out jobs lol
 
So basically:

- She graduated from law school in 2008 during the crisis

- She has student debt of $170k

- She didn't take the only law-related job offer that she got because it was "less favorable than non-law-related jobs that were available"

- She's seeking $125k in damages

First question: What has she been doing all these years?
 
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She is suing because the says the school lied about their placement numbers. If that is the case, I agree with ole girl

It is one thing to tell people take responsibility for their decisions, but it is another to say it ok for companies, especially a law school, to lie to prospective students/customers. .

If the law school did mislead students, then students should have some sort of recourse
 
But on Monday, in a San Diego courtroom, she will tell a story that has become all too familiar among law students in the United States: Since graduating from the Thomas Jefferson School of Law in 2008, she has yet to find a full-time salaried job as a lawyer.

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dont be mad, UPS is hiring 
 
What was her GPA, 3.5+? No order of the coif? No internship(s)?
 
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companies are always looking for young talent

if you cant find a job it just means they dont see you as young TALENT
 
If the school is lying about the # of job placements then they deserve to be sued by multiple graduates.

Should be a class action joint.
 
Master Zik said:
If the school is lying about the # of job placements then they deserve to be sued by multiple graduates.

Should be a class action joint.
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Word. That would be pretty despicable if they did do that. "Come to our school. 99% of our graduates that pass the bar, get jobs." And if that number is actually 30%, that's some fraudulent bull. I could see how fudging the number would be pretty profitable though. 500 students......200k each student.....


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Unfortunately, I suspect that majority of the people hearing this case have the sentiments that the school did nothing wrong and it's all her fault. It's never the fault of multiple parties, but always just one, the person who feels they've been wrong.

People need to chill w/ the anecdotal fallacies
 
There are multiple pieces out there that have discussed the law school crisis in detail (including employment inflation); one of which being from the New York Times that swayed my opinion on going to law school after I already took my LSATs in the Fall of 2010. The plaintiff's problem was going to a third-tier toilet in Thomas Jefferson School of Law. It isn't even ranked on the U.S. News list. All schools aren't created equal and when you get to the graduate level, that statement rings truer. You can't go to a third-tier toilet and expect results especially compared to Tier 1 schools. When firms are comparing resumes, hers would be more likely to get thrown into the trash because the caliber doesn't match up to schools ranked higher than hers.

From what I know from speaking to fellow alums who have gone the law school route and are in the field, even people from Tier 1 schools are having difficulty finding work. Law is an oversaturated field with the ratio being 10:1 for a job in some markets. In her case, being that she graduated from a school ranked lower than 145, she actually turned out to be one of the lucky ones. She was offered a $60k job out of school, but rejected it likely because like some law school grads she thought she should get a job at 100k or more. She would have been better off taking that 60k/year job and moving on elsewhere if she got a better offer. In the public sector, law jobs are advertised at much less than what she was offered. I saw one recently in Mass. that was paying $25k/year full-time. In this climate and back when the employment crisis became magnified about half a decade ago, no law school grad is turning down 60k unless they have something better. Her false sense of entitlement was her downfall in the end and now she's resorting to doing temp law work in order to get by. If she wins her lawsuit, the floodgates are going to open.
 
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It should be noted that she was offered a full time position at a firm. She, however, declined the position because she didn't think the starting salary of 60K was worth her time.

She's entitled, plain and simple.




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SuperAntigen said:
It should be noted that she was offered a full time position at a firm. She rejected the offer because she didn't think the starting salary of 60K was worth her time.

She's entitled, plain and simple.




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That might be true

That doesn't excuse the Law School lying to prospective students though (not saying that you're saying that)
 
Seems common sense that schools inflate their employment (hell everything that uses employment data as a draw does that). But common sense isn't common, I run across folks who think they'll get 150k jobs straight out of school. Lawsuits are like protection for the not so bright sometimes , a la "coffee is hot".
 
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What was her GPA, 3.5+? No order of the coif? No internship(s)?
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This is the competition in California for someone looking for a law job:

-Stanford

-Berkeley

-UCLA

-USC

-UC Irvine

-UC Davis

Those are among the top 35 schools in the country.

Her school, Thomas Jefferson, ranks at 201. If she was top of the class, she still faces an uphill climb and somehow still managed to get a decent paying gig only to turn it down. Jefferson has a 82.1% acceptance rate and has an average LSAT score of 144. You can sleepwalk your way to a score in that range.
 
Was expecting another article about a millennial, but then I read she was 37, lel.

U.S. News & World Report has reported that the average Thomas Jefferson student graduates with $131,800 in debt and 95% of students graduate in debt. On March 22, 2012, U.S. News & World Report included Thomas Jefferson in its list of "10 Law Schools That Lead to the Most Debt." The Wall Street Journal also ran a story in June 2012 listing TJSL as one of the 'bottom five' schools for 2011 graduate employment.
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if they indeed inflated those numbers, i could see her winning. should be a class action
 
JPEG said:
Was expecting another article about a millennial, but then I read she was 37, lel.

U.S. News & World Report has reported that the average Thomas Jefferson student graduates with $131,800 in debt and 95% of students graduate in debt. On March 22, 2012, U.S. News & World Report included Thomas Jefferson in its list of "10 Law Schools That Lead to the Most Debt." The Wall Street Journal also ran a story in June 2012 listing TJSL as one of the 'bottom five' schools for 2011 graduate employment.
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Looks like all the stats are out there, she chose to focus on the one she thought would fit her fantasy.
 
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