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I don't. I will be the first to say it. I don't understand it.

Since I am telling you I don't understand, can you explain to me (or try to) the part that I am not getting?

Yes.

This isn't like homosexuality where people can debate whether or not sexuality is biological or a choice. (another topic but you could probably assume how I feel about that)

Gender dysphoria is a legit medical condition that transgendered people face. Basically they don't identify with the sex they were assigned at birth.

Society is largely transphobic. At any given level (educational, governmental, in the workplace, etc.) trans people have likely been discriminated against. As an example, some transgendered people don't even seek health care because of the stigma attached to it. In some jurisdictions, sex reassignment surgery is not covered, despite the fact that it's the best way for anyone with gender dysphoria to cope with the condition. Let's not forget the multitude of hate crimes against them either.

Just imagine the backlash that this bathroom thing is getting. If you were a trans person and hearing folks comparing you to rapists, that obviously wouldn't settle well with you. I have no doubt that people can use this law to their advantage and prey on people, but few things. One, that's fear mongering. You could really say that about anything. Look at the TSA policies after 9/11 and how it affected Muslims - a majority of religious hate crimes in America target Muslims. Second, what would stop a pedophile from preying on children anyway? We're painting with broad strokes here when it's not necessary. You can't generalize people in any circumstance.

Suicide rates among transgender people are high. The way society is set up, you're either male or female. Anyone who doesn't necessarily follow those ideals are marginalized. You don't only see that with trans people, but with all minorities. Michael Omi and Howard Winant talk about how the perception of blacks changed in the 1970's (by a process called racialization) to being dependent on welfare, having faulty cultural values, lacking respect, etc. The folks who are not in those positions as minorities hold the power and ultimately get to decide how a group of people are perceived. You see that all too well with Native Americans. They're relegated to stereotypes of being stoic, environmentalists, etc.

My ultimate point is that outsiders relegate groups to a couple of universal traits that don't necessarily ring true for all individuals. Somehow you're an outsider by not following this and that. This is essentially what we're doing here. I don't wanna drone on too long (it'd be better for me to write this in an academic setting but I'm not sure anyone would be interested in reading that), but we are partaking in the oppression of a minority group by not implementing laws like these.

But now the rules allow for more than just transgenders to use the women's bathroom no?

Just like the dude in the video on the first page, any man can go into the women's bathroom.

It's always been like that. Any dude can go into a women's bathroom. Not that there wouldn't be any consequences, but still. There isn't a law preventing me from walking into a woman's bathroom.
 
it's nice seeing people admit they don't know something and want to find out and engage in a real conversation about an issue

the name calling and the 5 minute google expert defense is never productive
 
Great post Illmatic. People often seem to forget or simply don't know that there is substantial evidence to support that gender dysphoria is a legitimate condition caused by biological differences such as hormones, brain structure, ... 

It's glossed over like these people aren't suffering from a real condition.

Place yourself in the position of a transgender. You suffer from gender dysphoria, a condition with more than enough scientific evidence supporting biological differences as the cause. You're marginalized from society, discriminated against, don't get your condition taken seriously and when you ask for a change in bathroom policies to accomodate transgenders, there's suddenly a "safety concern" and you're being placed in the same category as sexual predators.

It's called empathy. Try and have some.
 
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@illmatic34  Cool. Thanks for the response man. Thanks for doing that.
This is the type of attitude more people need. Can't expect everyone to know all the fine details about gender dysphoria so it's important that people are open to educate themselves on the subject. Props.
 
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am i the only one that thinks that no one is gonna be hitting on anyone in the bathroom?
 
am i the only one that thinks that no one is gonna be hitting on anyone in the bathroom?

yea, its like if a man goes into a woman's bathroom, it automatically equals sexual lust. TF? Maybe he just wanna poo?
 
yea, its like if a man goes into a woman's bathroom, it automatically equals sexual lust. TF? Maybe he just wanna poo?
Take a trip to the Parson's and Archer subway stop.

Notoriously known as the worst subway stop in NYC as far as sexual harassment. 

Imagine these dudes able to be like "what? I can't use the bathroom now?"

Or having the "sudden urge" to urinate when a gorgeous female goes into the bathroom.

...as I mentioned to @DCAllAmerican  it's a safety thing. Not everyone has the same mental aptitude, manners, or cultural relativism.
 
So instead of trying to punish those doing wrong let's punish the innocent. Gotcha. Victim blaming 101.
 
Why did they have to remove the gender label? I'm sure transgendered people already used whatever room they identified with, why change anything. I don't see how there was a rights issue.
 
No idea how prevalent this is but there have been instances of people taking issue

http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/porn-stars-avn-awards-bathroom-transphobia/
I'm pretty sure people who were taking issue before aren't going to suddenly be respectful because labels were removed. In fact, this may even cause more hostility when the institution worked fine for the most part. I hope I'm wrong.

I won't pretend to know how intolerant people are going to respond.

Just making the point that trans people have faced issues in the past w/ regards to bathroom usage
 
maybe you are the ignorant one here making this thread.... ain t nobody trying ish ...there is someone always in those restrooms in high traffic store.
Bruh just stop ..


Smh ... Just by this reply, it shows that you are one of those pervs that get off by seeing some panties in the woman bathroom in a club. You probably already have visited the woman's bathroom in Target and saying haow yu doing girl ...
LOL this debate is beyond ridiculous, people think men will be going into women's bathrooms D swinging, claiming to be transgender.
I don't know why trans is kept being brought up. This is not about a trans ... Is about a regular dude being able to walk into a woman's bathroom at any givng point and have all the right in the world ... Is not about how a person looks but rather how they feel and associate with.

So IMHO ... You alcohol in front of a recovering alcoholic and you increase the odds of him drinking, same with a junkie and same with a pedo ....

Yes if it was going to happen it could but why facilitate them?

Again, this is not about being a homophobe or trans ... Is about being a sick male/female and being able to walk to the bathroom of your choosing regardless of sexual preference and having all the right if yo just claim you relate and associate yourself with the other gender .....
 
Any dude can go into a women's bathroom. Not that there wouldn't be any consequences, but still. There isn't a law preventing me from walking into a woman's bathroom.
there's no law but I bet you go into a woman bathroom and there's a woman inside and a cop around ...

Most likely, you be registering yourself every place you live.

Just like peeing in public is a fine, do it when there are kids around and you a sx offender ... Think about that ....
 
Any dude can go into a women's bathroom. Not that there wouldn't be any consequences, but still. There isn't a law preventing me from walking into a woman's bathroom.
there's no law but I bet you go into a woman bathroom and there's a woman inside and a cop around ...

Most likely, you be registering yourself every place you live.

Just like peeing in public is a fine, do it when there are kids around and you a sx offender ... Think about that ....

You really think you doin it too :lol:
 
seen women bathrooms like that already because they don't like sitting on the seat, so they squat and splash everywhere :lol:
 
So would any of you dudes use the women's bathroom?
Only if the men restroom is full and I really can't hold it. I've used female restrooms before when I urgently needed to take a dump and the men's stall was taken.
Other than that I don't see why I would enter a womens restroom.
 
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I have at the gas station in the single occupancy stall wen a dude was taking too long and i had to go.

If its a restroom where more than 1 woman can enter hell no.
 
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