Developing Story: SHOOTING at T.I show in NYC : 1 dead, 3 injured

"The character Tony Montana went from poor to mad rich by selling coke. He made tons of young cats want to sell cocaine too, including me."
-Azie Faison

"After watching Scarface, I wanted to be the Tony Montana of Harlem. I easily made more than $40000 a week, and became a millionaire before reaching voting age. I was on a paper chase."
-Azie Faison

Both from his book.

If it's art, it's art. To say we need to censor rappers or that rappers are the root a gun violence problem alone is unfair. Art is art. There are impressionable minds if course, but that doesn't stop Quentin Tarantino from sensationalizing violence.

The issue is these communities are more susceptible to falling into this lifestyle for a myriad of factors. Broken households, lack of role models, lack of education, poverty.

To just pin it on Rap is cheap and ignores the real issues in favor of villainizing another group of black and brown men.
 
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Keko Jones said:
What's shameful is the Chief of Police or sho ever made the statement of Rappers are only thugs that eventually their music manifest themselves to violence.

Although there might be some truth, there's a reason why rap - hip-hop connects with the youth. It's a bigger problem that he's not providing a resolution too.

F him ...
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sooperhooper said:
Holup, don't most hardcore rappers refer to themselves as thugs? But when someone of authority says it, especially if they're white, they're automatically a racist/bigot? OK.

Like I said earlier, rap isn't 100% to blame, but it sure as hell isn't helping the cause (senseless violence).

Like dude said earlier, when music does something positive, it's praised, but when it brings about something negative "it's not the music"...

This stuff is setting baaaaad examples for impressionable youth, yet people constantly defend it. it's cool, the warden thanks you for pumping his advertisement.
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I see you took this to extreme.

First, last time I checked most is not all. If you don't mind be generalized so beat it.

Second, I didn't call him racist or bigot. I said it's a shameful comment by someone of authority. If you can't comprehend the scope of the comment so beat it.

Lastly, you got redundant. I clearly stated that there's a reason why rap and hip-hop connects with the youth. There's a bigger problem ...

Thanks for taking it to the extreme ....


BTW ... Rap is the outcome of the bigger problem.
 
Stuff like this is why I'll be at the Beyonce concert next week. It will be yambs everywhere and I don't have to worry about getting shot.
 
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HarlemToTheBronx said:
If it's art, it's art. If we say we need to censor rappers or that rappers are the root a gun violence problem alone is unfair. Art is art. There are impressionable minds if course, but that doesn't stop Quentin Tarantino from sensationalizing violence.

The issue is these communities are more susceptible to falling into this lifestyle for a myriad of factors. Broken households, lack of role models, lack of education, poverty.

To just pin it on Rap is cheap and ignores the real issues in favor of villainizing another group of black and brown men.
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Who said rap was the root of all gun violence ? 

Quentin Tarantino is telling a made up story where i would hope most of if not all of his audience knows it's fiction. Plus the people that go see his movies are mostly adults that know better.
 
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There are safeguards in place to ensure that only adults listen to explicit music.

Some of y'all gotta learn not to be so knee jerk and look at the situation objectively. What Bratton said was irresponsible period.
 
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I agree harlemtothebronx harlemtothebronx . That's why we as parents shouldnt let our children listen to some of these "artists".
Some parents listen to so much trap rap that thier toddlers are in the back seat and can hum and emulate every sound they hear. Even thought they cant even talk yet. Ive seen it many times.
Then a few years later, when they can talk, they know almost every word without even knowing the meanings.

It may not seem like it is destructive, but to a young impressionable mind, in that crucial learning period of life, the effects can be damaging to that child's psyche of how the world works.
I mean we're talking about humans that think they Easter bunny and Santa Clause are real, but we think our kids can decipher rap as entertainment.

So while I do agree that NO, it is NOT the entire genre of rap that is a problem. But it is a significant amount of the rap population.
 
100% agree. It's the responsibility of the parents to be vigilant in what they allow their children to consume. The responsibility isn't in the artists (although I do respect more when an artist consciously makes music knowing how many impressionable young minds he could be affecting). It's the most important time of their lives. During that period I listened to a lot of Illmatic, Reasonable Doubt, The Score. My father put me onto The Message early, so I'm thankful I took in music that told the full story and didn't just glorify negativity.

So yeah, there is definitely responsibility on the community to ensure that the youth understands the reality of the situation. It gets to be a slippery slope when people start hinting at censoring art, though.
 
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Where's the video? :nerd:

If that tax story is true :smh:

Dude had people in his corner looking out for him and probably could've made some serious money if he would've been smart. All parties involved are dummies.
 
Saw this in the NYDN article...

Court papers show that Ronald McPhatter had a pending charge for attempted murder, accused of grazing a bystander during a shooting in the Flatiron District in November. He had denied the charges.
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Link


Even with folks not cooperating, it's going to be pretty easy for the police to put together the pieces to find the motive.
 
NYMETS207 said:
Yeah bro, people aren't really mentioning this but the dude in the video next to Troy is BSB Banga so he obviously didnt shoot in retaliation to Banga getting shot.. Here's the explanation I gave in another thread of what I saw in the video and lmk what u guys think...

"It doesn't look like return fire to me tbh, Troy Ave is done regardless but I think when it's all said and done no1 will **** with him and the little dignity dude had is done because he killed his own bodyguard/right hand man...

Take a careful look at the video guys.. At the very beg. of the video, it shows the guy they were going after for a split second running for his life.. Dude obviously was unarmed or else he wouldn't be running like that and would instead be shooting back. IMO troy ave tried to shoot him b4 entering the green room but accidentally shot himself in the leg like an idiot. His boy BSB Banga who was killed is actually in the video (to Troy Aves right with the jacket) and it looks like he goes after the dude that troy was trying to shoot. A few secs after Banga is off the camera Troy shoots recklessly so I'm guessing that's when Banga got hit or shortly thereafter. I see some people on social media trying to paint Troy Ave as a loyal dude who was defending himself after he was shot and his boy was killed, but when all is said and done the truth will show Troy Ave for the sucker he is and he'll get everything he deserves coming to him"
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What ? I'm seeing he didn't shoot his Man's he would've been charged murder ... Police said they were waiting for ballistics to come back and seeing how they only charged him with attempted murder
 
HarlemToTheBronx said:
100% agree. It's the responsibility of the parents to be vigilant in what they allow their children to consume. The responsibility isn't in the artists (although I do respect more when an artist consciously makes music knowing how many impressionable young minds he could be affecting). It's the most important time of their lives. During that period I listened to a lot of Illmatic, Reasonable Doubt, The Score. My father put me onto The Message early, so I'm thankful I took in music that told the full story and didn't just glorify negativity.

So yeah, there is definitely responsibility on the community to ensure that the youth understands the reality of the situation. It gets to be a slippery slope when people start hinting at censoring art, though.
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Agreed. People been blaming music for stuff for years, all genres.

Jazz made white women smoke weed and **** black dudes. Rock got white kids shooting up schools. Rap got black kids shooting each other.

There's more to it than "music made them do it", that's lazy thinking. Like what was to blame before rap music? Beef didn't start with hip hop.

Teach your kids. People always looking for a scapegoat.
 
So ya'll really believe Troy was up in the club just shooting himself and his man?

Interesting

JaysRcrak said:
@sooperhooper is right. And then we wonder WHY we cant come up as black people.
And the worst part about it is that 90% of these artists rapping about "their life" are LIARS! they never did and never will live that life.

I can tell just from how Troy Ave was holding the hammer, and they way he shot it that he has little to no experience handling firearms.

These fake *** dudes that yall love to follow, out here making up fairy tales about their lives and creating phony personas and egos.
And you already know how lies go. Once you tell one you have to keep tellin lies to cover the other lies you already told.
Same with their egos. They build their egos up so much that they do anything to protect their made up street status and it leads to situations like these.

What kind of sense does it make to do all that work to get yourself into a situation to help you , your family and friends live a better life,
and then throw it all away like a dumb***

And these are the dudes that we let our kids look up to.
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So Troy has a shoot out in a club and it's about all of us as black people?

What kind of sense does that make?

And parents shouldn't let their kids listen to some of these artist :lol:

And people actually propped your Stephen C Smith nonsense.
 
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Of course not. More than likely there was an altercation and someone fired in Troy's direction. If he did shoot his boy he'd be charged with murder so there has to be another shooter.
 
That's on you if you let your kid look up to a rapper.

Just calm down its just rap music-killa cam
 
:smh: Of course it's up to the parents but you're a fool if you don't think music and any art has an affect of people, whether it be positive or negative.

Watching the video showed me an idiot was willing to throw everything away and for what? to say he's hard or down for his? Sad situation.
 
Why does everyone keep saying Troy killed his man? He would have been charged with murder, NOT attempted murder had he killed Banga.  Bunch a chatty patty and Twitter detectives in here 
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Word in the Stuy, is that Tax had some part in the shooting, sent some goons to press Troy Ave. I knew it would it eventually come to this, this been going on for like 2 -3 yrs now.
Oh when Taxstone was on Vlad TV talking about Marcus Garvey and Fulton, I knew exactly where he was going with that, being that I live on Marcus Garvey and only 5 blocks away from what he was talking about. one of his people shot and killed one of Troy people in Fulton houses. They locked up 2 of Taxstone people claiming that Troy Ave or Troy people snitched. This is just from what I know, I don't really chill over in Fulton Houses anymore after that shooting.
 
They are doing ballistic tests so those charges can be upgraded, soon well know what really happened @nyc street cat
 
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HTG Designs said:
product of his enviroment.....
but who created his environment :nerd: :nerd: :nerd:
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We know who created the environment, but why does it have to only be one way? Where's the sensible people to wanna find a way to build the environment into something better? I'm tired of us making excuses for why we do things when we are capable of doing more, history has shown how resilient we are and how strong we are and how much we can accomplish togehter.
 
Dathbgboy said:
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Of course it's up to the parents but you're a fool if you don't think music and any art has an affect of people, whether it be positive or negative.

Watching the video showed me an idiot was willing to throw everything away and for what? to say he's hard or down for his? Sad situation.
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So with this logic:

Why were people selling drugs and killing ****** when Al Green and Teddy Pendergrass were what was hot in the black community?
 
I just don't understand how people get all shocked and saddened when something like this happens.... 

the artists are telling you in every song they're ready to shoot somebody over stupid **** 

one minute y'all singing along ... then next y'all shedding tears because it actually happened lol 

**** makes no sense
 
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