Developing Story: SHOOTING at T.I show in NYC : 1 dead, 3 injured

Yeah, it's a mandatory 3 1/2 regardless

this is fax.

im waiting on him to snitch, cuz if taxstone created this mess and my homie died? unless i got certified goons that washing homie or whoever in his camp is responsible on sight on my behalf quietly, then id go scorched earth nicki barnes style and take everyone down with me. my life already over

i dont wanna sound foul, but as da rapstar, you posed to have a squad fool of henchmen thats posed to be doing all da dirty work before Troy raises a finger...
 
 
Bu-bu-bu rap makes us violent and unable to rise as a people!
rap being blamed for violence.. its da 90's all over again
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rap taking the heat over what rock and metal did in the early 2000's

but them was "troubled youths", not "violent thugs" 
 
Troy Ave, whose real name is Roland Collins, was arrested in the shooting. NYPD officials released new very clear video late Thursday they said shows him firing a shot inside the venue. Police believe he fired five shots in all.

He is being charged with attempted murder and two counts of criminal possession of a weapon. Police said he could face additional charges, depending on the results of ballistics tests.

During the gunfire, Ronald McPhatter, 33, was shot in the stomach and pronounced dead at Beth Israel Hospital. He was a longtime friend of Collins.

Police are still waiting test results to determine who fired the shot that killed McPhatter.

The Manhattan District Attorney's Office said Collins will not be arraigned until he is released from NYU Medical Center. He's still being treated for a gunshot wound in his leg, which police believe was self-inflicted.


The NYPD said Friday that an ongoing dispute between rapper Troy Ave and "another person associated with the rap industry" led to the shooting. The dispute is no longer believed to be between Troy Ave and Maino. It has been established that the men had an ongoing working relationship.

Police said a fight preceded the shooting. They don't think the incident is connected to rapper TI, who left the green room before the shots were fired.

A spokeswoman and lawyer for Maino said he was not on stage at the time of the shooting, as police originally said, but instead was somewhere else in the club. He "was caught in gunfire" and "did not see what happened."

She described Maggie Heckstall, the aspiring musician who was also shot, as Maino's girlfriend. Heckstall is being treated at Bellevue Hospital, and posted a photo on social media, saying "I am out of surgery but still in the hospital. I have not spoken to any reporters yet. I am just focusing on recovering and trying to see my family."

"Ms. Heckstall remains at Bellevue Hospital where she has underwent a complex surgery on her leg in efforts to remove the bullet from her knee and will have to have extensive post-surgery rehabilitation. She is shaken but not stirred and is optimistic about her recovery," the spokeswoman said.

"The firm will be filing a claim "against all responsible parties," that led to Heckstall being shot in the knee," the spokeswoman added.

Another man, 34-year-old Chris Vinson, who was not involved in the fight, was shot downstairs by a bullet that went through the floor. He was hit in the abdomen, and is likely to recover, said NYPD Chief of Detectives Robert Boyce.
 
Dudes are really arguing over whether or not that is or isn't, a guy that couldn't have pointed out a day ago, from a security camera video :rofl:

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if the gun is determined to be Troy's ...case closed ....can't bring a gun into a NY club .. that boy done

wouldn't even matter if Troy was on camera being raped at knife point then managed to pull a .22 out his Timberland

now... let's say he managed to stumble upon a gun after people are shooting AT him, then we have something to talk about in regards to him beating a case 

I love NT, man.:rofl:

That being said, rap is extremely detrimental to the youth imo. Its not the cause of crime but it most certainly perpetuates it and makes criminal behavior more acceptable than it otherwise would or should be.
I agree, it does. But what do we do to fix that? Do we censor art or acknowledge that the onus is on the parents to raise their children, not media.

There are traps everywhere you look as a kid growing up looking for guidance. The problem is a lot of these kids use media as a replacement for actual parenting. That's the issue we should be looking at, not the effects of art on impressionable minds.

Remember when Marilyn Manson made those kids shoot up their school?
 
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if this is cool nowadays ny ****** is soft. Im from the BX. Id fight you before i shoot you.

I ain't saying it's cool.

But you should know what you're signing up for when you walk over to a ***** at a professional event with cameras and just snuff him like he doesn't have 15 people with him and you know you don't have it on you (or else he woulda sent someone else over there).
 
if the gun is determined to be Troy's ...case closed ....can't bring a gun into a NY club .. that boy done

wouldn't even matter if Troy was on camera being raped at knife point then managed to pull a .22 out his Timberland

now... let's say he managed to stumble upon a gun after people are shooting AT him, then we have something to talk about in regards to him beating a case 

:lol: at the second paragraph.

Are the laws that crazy in NYC?
 
We definitely don't need to censor the art, what we need to do is drive the point home that it's actually what it is ART and should not be imitated by life though the stories from the art are said to be a reflection of it.

It's definitely hard when you have children growing up in poverty and they see the artist w/ money, cars, women, etc. What kid growin up in the hood don't want the flyest car and honies? We gotta start interjecting things to show that while it's art and ok to listen to >D, it should not be replicated in real life.
 
Pretty sure more people die or end up in the hospital at EDM concerts/festivals from drug overdoses than shootings at hiphop concerts.

Does music perpetuate violence and other negativity to some extent? Of course but let's not act like it's the largest contributor to those issues. I would assume the violent content of hiphop is more of a product of violence in the city than a cause.
 
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this is fax.

i dont wanna sound foul, but as da rapstar, you posed to have a squad fool of henchmen thats posed to be doing all da dirty work before Troy raises a finger...
This!
What the hell is the point of the entourage now? Just a bunch of freeloaders from around the way?
 
 
if the gun is determined to be Troy's ...case closed ....can't bring a gun into a NY club .. that boy done

wouldn't even matter if Troy was on camera being raped at knife point then managed to pull a .22 out his Timberland

now... let's say he managed to stumble upon a gun after people are shooting AT him, then we have something to talk about in regards to him beating a case 
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at the second paragraph.

Are the laws that crazy in NYC?
NYC gun laws are no joke. 
 
if the gun is determined to be Troy's ...case closed ....can't bring a gun into a NY club .. that boy done

wouldn't even matter if Troy was on camera being raped at knife point then managed to pull a .22 out his Timberland

now... let's say he managed to stumble upon a gun after people are shooting AT him, then we have something to talk about in regards to him beating a case 

:lol: at the second paragraph.

Are the laws that crazy in NYC?
Yes sir. They don't mess around with concealed handguns. They make examples of those guys. Especially celebrities. I guess it's an opportunity to set an example and set the tone for the general public. Can't have people comfy carrying concealed weapons in a city this densely populated.

The NYPD said Friday that an ongoing dispute between rapper Troy Ave and "another person associated with the rap industry" led to the shooting. The dispute is no longer believed to be between Troy Ave and Maino. It has been established that the men had an ongoing working relationship.

Welp.

Listening to all the back and forth between these dudes, i really didn't expect things to come to a head like this. Sometimes I forget these are actual street dudes who just became rappers or entertainers. So sad man.
 
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if this is cool nowadays ny ****** is soft. Im from the BX. Id fight you before i shoot you.

I ain't saying it's cool.

But you should know what you're signing up for when you walk over to a ***** at a professional event with cameras and just snuff him like he doesn't have 15 people with him and you know you don't have it on you (or else he woulda sent someone else over there).

You're probably more inclined to think you can do this at a professional event with security and metal detectors than you are on the block.
 
this is fax.

i dont wanna sound foul, but as da rapstar, you posed to have a squad fool of henchmen thats posed to be doing all da dirty work before Troy raises a finger...
This!
What the hell is the point of the entourage now? Just a bunch of freeloaders from around the way?
This is what blows my mind. His man was literally following behind him letting him throw his life away. I really think he just didn't expect things to pop off like that. I can see temporary insanity if you just got shot, your boy for shot in the leg and your girl took a slug in the leg. Not as a defense because there's no defense for firing in a crowded club.

No excuse, but all I can see is a bunch of dudes in a situation too deep to handle.

You're probably more inclined to think you can do this at a professional event with security and metal detectors than you are on the block.

Exactly. I think he expected a tussle and that's it. Once someone got shot he was stuck between proving he is what he says he is and taking the L. He chose the former.:smh:
 
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You're probably more inclined to think you can do this at a professional event with security and metal detectors than you are on the block.

True

I heard they weren't even checking people though smh

Sidenote they done found tax stone, it now looks fishy that this chatty patty guy has been quiet about this

 
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Being a huge music fan i have seen my share of concerts.  

Shootings and violence mostly take place at rap concerts.  

 facts.

i love rap but thats the truth
 
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Very unfortunate situation but I can't but hope that Troy ave is absent in hip hop and the limelight in general. His talentless and his degenerate demeanor is aggravating.
 
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