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CAbased said:
So you can only work in your neighborhood ? Can't take a bus downtown ?

We could go back and forth all day but i'd rather not.
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It's not that simple. I'm not gonna go back and forth with you with your minimalist ideological arguments. History and research prove otherwise. You're argument basically says that blacks are inferior lazy bums who want handouts, which is not true. Go ahead and say how you feel....
 
Hip-hop is NT to blame for social issues that have been here since the birth of this nation.
 
TimidTebow said:
It's not that simple. I'm not gonna go back and forth with you with your minimalist ideological arguments. History and research prove otherwise. You're argument basically says that blacks are inferior lazy bums who want handouts, which is not true. Go ahead and say how you feel....
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Now you're putting words in my mouth. This isn't a black issue it's about gangster rap influencing young impressionable people in the hood. 
 
CAbased said:
Now you're putting words in my mouth. This isn't a black issue it's about gangster rap influencing young impressionable people in the hood. 
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Gangster rap is often a reflection of lived realities in the hood...
 
CAbased said:
So these rappers aren't pretending they have done everything in their raps ?
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A lot of rappers say they're like journalists reporting for the hood. Much of what they rap about happens in the hood.
 
PLVN said:
Do you think that people living in poverty have the exact opportunies as everyone else?
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Exact ? No. But this goes for white, black and blue people, 

IF YOU LIVE IN POVERTY DON'T HAVE CHILDREN 
 
Ya'll Canadians finna get de-reported if y'all keep pillow fighting in this thread. srs

Any updates on Cheddar Ave? 
 
TimidTebow said:
These kids are products of their environment in the same way that Italian and Irish hoodlums were products of their environment during the early 20th century. Read Robert Park's The City.. http://www.jstor.org/stable/2763406?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
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Yes there was Irish and Italian criminals, tons of them and their sill are but it's not a god damb epidemic of people getting killed over drug sales and other petty ****. 

That has nothing to do with these rappers telling these kids it's simple to turn a brick into a Bentley when they haven't actually done it themselves. 

You act like i said hip hop started the drug trade. If you think black people in the hood have it bad do you really think they need to be repeatedly told that crime pays through music ?
 
CAbased said:
Yes there was Irish and Italian criminals, tons of them and their sill are but it's not a god damb epidemic of people getting killed over drug sales and other petty ****. 

That has nothing to do with these rappers telling these kids it's simple to turn a brick into a Bentley when they haven't actually done it themselves. 

You act like i said hip hop started the drug trade. If you think black people in the hood have it bad do you really think they need to be repeatedly told that crime pays through music ?
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Violent crime was an epedemic in Italian and Irish ghettos during the early 20th century. They were later able to leave the ghetto due to the GI bill and Fha loans that blacks and other minorites weren't able to benefit from. Throughout history we see through migration and neighborhood change that the ghetto(which often is in inner cities) no matter who lives there has always been violent and criminogenic. European immigrants lived in early ghettos and the crime rates were high as hell, when they were able to leave the ghetto other groups moved to the ghetto and the crime rates remained high. The Chicago school of sociology tells us that impoverished neighborhoods will always have high crimes rates due to disorganization and a lack of resources. The ghetto has produced crime throughout the years. Before hip hop the ghetto was crime filled. This stuff isn't rocket science and empirical research proves that the ghetto creates crime.
 
Why do y'all even engage with people outside looking in. If u are from those environment and been around these type of people u know why they do what they do. The oldest friend I got in the world doing a 7 piece right now and it wasn't because of no damn rap music. Being broke and on your knuckles will have u doing crazy things. It's easy to say o get a job or go to school when u have a support system and food on your plate every night. It's dudes out here having to be men at 14 and a pt job at McDonalds not gonna feed, cloth and house them and their siblings.
 
I work with a dude and he told me his story and I had to Google him to confirm and it's 100% legit. He lost his mom's to cancer at like 3 and pops got murdered in front of his a few years later. Dude was in the paper years ago, he was like 13 and got caught selling dope and was booming 15k a week. He wasn't doing that **** to dress like master p, he got a younger brother and said he had to provide for him because his poor grandmother only could afford the small box they stayed in. Steve Harvey ran across dude story and when he got out payed for him a ticket to his camp in Texas and told dude he would pay for his education if he stay out of trouble. Dude went to college but ended up going back to drugs because he didn't have any money while there. Steve bailed him out but told him he cut off. Fast forward now son is working everyday and talking to him he 1pp% legit and on the right track. I make sure I go out my way to speak and chop it up with him daily Cuz I'm proud of that dude seriously. Dude wasn't trynna be birdman :lol:.
 
CAbased said:
 
Then we disagree. Oh well.
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So you think it's an "opinion" that people in impoverished areas have less opportunity than the well-to-do's?

I think it's time you took some prerequisite courses in sociology or even history if you really think this way
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Willchamberlain said:
I work with a dude and he told me his story and I had to Google him to confirm and it's 100% legit. He lost his mom's to cancer at like 3 and pops got murdered in front of his a few years later. Dude was in the paper years ago, he was like 13 and got caught selling dope and was booming 15k a week. He wasn't doing that **** to dress like master p, he got a younger brother and said he had to provide for him because his poor grandmother only could afford the small box they stayed in. Steve Harvey ran across dude story and when he got out payed for him a ticket to his camp in Texas and told dude he would pay for his education if he stay out of trouble. Dude went to college but ended up going back to drugs because he didn't have any money while there. Steve bailed him out but told him he cut off. Fast forward now son is working everyday and talking to him he 1pp% legit and on the right track. I make sure I go out my way to speak and chop it up with him daily Cuz I'm proud of that dude seriously. Dude wasn't trynna be birdman :lol:.
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Exactly I have friends who have lost parents at a young age or have parents on drugs and are forced to fend for themselves and their siblings. They ain't working at the post office and selling drugs on the side to be like lil Wayne.
 
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GetBack said:
So you think it's an "opinion" that people in impoverished areas have less opportunity than the well-to-do's?

I think it's time you took some prerequisite courses in sociology or even history if you really think this way :lol:
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Exactly dude is misinformed....
 
The energy that certain sub genres of rap put out is negative, we can agree on that. And the short sighted opportunity that some rappers take of bettering their family's life while promoting negativity that impacts others is real. But rappers didn't pull out those fairytales out their ***. These are actual things that have occurred for a very long time. Hip hop is fairly young, while crime is old as dirt. So instead of this narrative that hip hop influences crime, let's focus on how crime influences rap.

There's too much $ in crime for there to be a serious initiative to fully stop it. Hip hop is just used as a scape goat to deflect the reason why blacks are disproportionately incarcerated.
 
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