A Guaranteed Income for Every American

Titanium Tea said:
Came to see the idea behind it and get peoples insights.
I fear I will just have to stay out of here like the trump thread, the troy ave thread, and the dead gorilla thread tho.

People literally called me a white supremist for stating that rap has an "influence" on communities outside of the usa. I didnt say rap invented crime. I said it inspired spoiled kids here in canada.

This here............. " the author of this joint is notable for saying that whites adoption of 'minority traits & values' are responsible for the declines blue collar white america (and america's decline generally).."

That could hold some weight but i wouldnt say it.
Not right now
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i mentioned it in reference to the question of the author's proposed implementation, not as a random aside; that said author has some quite controversial opinions about minorities & today's low income earners seems related to why his proposal is structured the way it is...
 
swizzerland is voting on this exact type of measure on their Sunday (our Saturday)...sentiment is supposedly a strong no
 
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Titanium Tea said:
Came to see the idea behind it and get peoples insights.
I fear I will just have to stay out of here like the trump thread, the troy ave thread, and the dead gorilla thread tho.

People literally called me a white supremist for stating that rap has an "influence" on communities outside of the usa. I didnt say rap invented crime. I said it inspired spoiled kids here in canada.

This here............. " the author of this joint is notable for saying that whites adoption of 'minority traits & values' are responsible for the declines blue collar white america (and america's decline generally).."

That could hold some weight but i wouldnt say it.
Not right now
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WUT???? lmao
 
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I like the framework that he presented in the article. If worked properly, this could end homelessness forever. The savings over current programs is crazy. A trillion dollars by 2020?!?!? People are definitely taking advantage of food stamps and some take advantage of social security disability benefits. I definitely know of people that take advantage of the housing subsidies/section 8. This would eliminate those games.

Most would still work, but this would be a big help to those barely making it. Even for those that choose to do nothing but collect, it's enough to live a decent life if they pool with like-minded folks. I would definitely back this movement.
 
But with open borders it's a total impossibility. If you would offer every individual a Swiss amount of money you would have billions of people who would try to move into Switzerland
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now u see why Republicans here are so hostile to open borders...
 
ninjahood said:
Zyzz said:
girlslovewaffles said:
Dumb idea. We don't need lazy people to have more reason to be lazy.
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But you already have lazy people being lazy because the government is sending them check and food stamps
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so da answer is throw more good money @ a bad problem?
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More money? This time the money is going to majority of people who don't make enough, and not keep giving unlimited cash to the same individuals who decide not to do better or just straight take advantage of the system

People who are making a fair amount of money and still struggling and paying taxes and getting nothing in return but paying for other low lives

I'm all for people getting a certain amount a year and that's it, you use up that 10k for groceries and what not once it's gone. YOURE ON YOUR OWN!!
 
ninjahood said:
 
But with open borders it's a total impossibility. If you would offer every individual a Swiss amount of money you would have billions of people who would try to move into Switzerland
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now u see why Republicans here are so hostile to open borders...
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Well, let's see how things shake out for those European countries.
 
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If you know nothing of the economics behind this system you really shouldn't have such a strong opinion on it, goes for anything really.

Switzerland have just rejected the proposal in the last few hours by a 78% majority vote.

Now here's the thing, they expect us to believe out of every 100 people you ask 78 of them would turn down $2,500 extra every month?

We are all slaves to politicians, this is obviously a rig.
 
Zyzz said:
Some? While yes it does provide less fortunate with food albeit some get screwed and barely get enough to support their families when they barely make any money


I personally see and know A LOT of wealthy people who get $1k a month in food stamps. I see it all day everyday. It's disgusting how easily these people bypass the system and take advantage and you have people who barely make any money with a family of 4-5 and get maybe $200 a month in stamps.
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Well, you should report them. Most states have anonymous tip lines, for such situations.
 
7thAve btn 31stN33rd St said:
What's the incentive to work with a guaranteed income?
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it doesnt cover all expenses, just necessities...might cover a portion of rent and groceries, but if people want to be productive they can...

the vast majority of people want to work (in some capacity) and this would allow them to be productive without stressing over keeping a roof over their heads or food available...
 
AntBanks81 said:
People are definitely taking advantage of food stamps and some take advantage of social security disability benefits. I definitely know of people that take advantage of the housing subsidies/section 8. This would eliminate those games.
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a universal basic income really only addresses employment, housing & healthcare will need different reforms...the one way it could be beneficial for housing is it that if the type of restrictions on income
as well as some of the other strings attached to housing are removed

ninjahood said:
Zyzz said:
girlslovewaffles said:
Dumb idea. We don't need lazy people to have more reason to be lazy.
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But you already have lazy people being lazy because the government is sending them check and food stamps
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so da answer is throw more good money @ a bad problem?
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this could be done in a way where it is turns things like welfare, unemployment benefits, & social security into a single program payout for every citizen, so it could potentially cost less...

ninjahood said:
But with open borders it's a total impossibility. If you would offer every individual a Swiss amount of money you would have billions of people who would try to move into Switzerland
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now u see why Republicans here are so hostile to open borders...
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sort of apples and oranges, the swiss are a small country in comparison and given the current climate (many refugees emigrating to europe) maybe a bit of an overstatement, but yes politicians in europe can be just as xenophobic as republicans here...

Zyzz said:
ninjahood said:
Zyzz said:
girlslovewaffles said:
Dumb idea. We don't need lazy people to have more reason to be lazy.
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But you already have lazy people being lazy because the government is sending them check and food stamps
Click to expand...

so da answer is throw more good money @ a bad problem?
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More money? This time the money is going to majority of people who don't make enough, and not keep giving unlimited cash to the same individuals who decide not to do better or just straight take advantage of the system

People who are making a fair amount of money and still struggling and paying taxes and getting nothing in return but paying for other low lives

I'm all for people getting a certain amount a year and that's it, you use up that 10k for groceries and what not once it's gone. YOURE ON YOUR OWN!!
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i'm not sure that a universal basic income would mean that the same people struggling now wouldn't still struggle or certain folk won't still be lazy, or take advantage of whatever programs/subsidies designed to help people in a bind...what it does do is 1) acknowledge that technology might likely displace a lot of workers that may not have the means to get back in the new job sector and 2) put money in the pockets of people, the majority of whom will spend it...now what this does to things like the cost of living, inflation and housing???
 
NazDrowie said:
it doesnt cover all expenses, just necessities...might cover a portion of rent and groceries, but if people want to be productive they can...

the vast majority of people want to work (in some capacity) and this would allow them to be productive without stressing over keeping a roof over their heads or food available...
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Then it wouldnt be much better than the system we currently have. SNAP already covers ALL of the groceries and rent is already heavily subsidized.

My thing is that, wouldnt having a "guaranteed" income dissuade effort in production, or even production at all? Not many people would work that hard with having the guarantee of pay whether they work hard or not.
 
the ANTIhype said:
Zyzz said:
Some? While yes it does provide less fortunate with food albeit some get screwed and barely get enough to support their families when they barely make any money


I personally see and know A LOT of wealthy people who get $1k a month in food stamps. I see it all day everyday. It's disgusting how easily these people bypass the system and take advantage and you have people who barely make any money with a family of 4-5 and get maybe $200 a month in stamps.
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Well, you should report them. Most states have anonymous tip lines, for such situations.
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Well one, why the hell am I gonna snitch on people. I don't work for the government so it means nothing to me. Me reporting a bunch of people isn't gonna put money back in my pocket. There's more than enough doing it so me report it 10 people changes absolutely nothing
 
british folk said:
If you know nothing of the economics behind this system you really shouldn't have such a strong opinion on it, goes for anything really.

Switzerland have just rejected the proposal in the last few hours by a 78% majority vote.

Now here's the thing, they expect us to believe out of every 100 people you ask 78 of them would turn down $2,500 extra every month?

We are all slaves to politicians, this is obviously a rig.
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what are you surprised about? that people believe you should actually do something to get paid? da majority of people believe that.

compound that with da massive influx of people coming in due to their open borders and its easy to see why this failed.
 
We are not talking about unemployed cats rolling around in Benz's here. We are talking about never having to worry about essential items in the case of job loss. America is unique in the sense that it is the only country where employers operate off of the fear employees have of being fired or let go. Anything to eliminate that I'm all for. 
 
7thAve btn 31stN33rd St said:
What's the incentive to work with a guaranteed income?
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i think we tend to look at things from our limited perspective, guaranteed income might seem like a negative incentive for work, but it likely would not be enough to live more than a relatively spartan existence, and part of the theory of it is that it would eliminate the need for other programs...

ninjahood said:
british folk said:
If you know nothing of the economics behind this system you really shouldn't have such a strong opinion on it, goes for anything really.

Switzerland have just rejected the proposal in the last few hours by a 78% majority vote.

Now here's the thing, they expect us to believe out of every 100 people you ask 78 of them would turn down $2,500 extra every month?

We are all slaves to politicians, this is obviously a rig.
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:lol:

what are you surprised about? that people believe you should actually do something to get paid? da majority of people believe that.

compound that with da massive influx of people coming in due to their open borders and its easy to see why this failed.
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while i don't think it was rigged, i do think under different conditions it would be viewed more favorably

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SVP spokeswoman Luis Stamm told the BBC: "Theoretically, if Switzerland were an island [basic income] would be possible.

"You could cut down on existing social payments and instead pay a certain amount of money to every individual..
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so for the swiss it is not even necessarily about work, more about concerns about emigration to switzerland; as such you could imagine if this were widely adopted it might be less of concern?
 
Honestly, free money should only be given to the elderly, disabled, and people suffering from disasters. If you are young and able bodied, you should be working for the things in your life, not expecting handouts. Too many people want the reward without the work.
 
BlackIntellect said:
We are not talking about unemployed cats rolling around in Benz's here. We are talking about never having to worry about essential items in the case of job loss. America is unique in the sense that it is the only country where employers operate off of the fear employees have of being fired or let go. Anything to eliminate that I'm all for. 
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We already have programs that serve for essential items. We have SNAP and we have Unemployment Benefits if layed-off. Also, how would this work? The US is different with other countries that different States has different tax laws.

i think we tend to look at things from our limited perspective, guaranteed income might seem like a negative incentive for work, but it likely would not be enough to live more than a relatively spartan existence, and part of the theory of it is that it would eliminate the need for other programs...
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It's essentially "Income without Work". How would it not have a negative impact?
 
What about if you are fired for just cause? Or quit due to unrealistic work expectations? Should these not be protected as well? 
 
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